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US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

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Twiglets1 · 10/05/2025 06:12

The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

Palestinian receive food cooked by a charity kitchen in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip (8 May 2025)

US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

UN agencies say they will not co-operate with the proposed system because it appears to "weaponise" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

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Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 09:42

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 09:30

I'm sure the IDF do get jittery when they see Palestinians deviating from the designated access routes, walking towards them and not moving away after the IDF have issued warning shots (as reported by ABC news above).

How are they to know the people walking towards them are not Hamas or Hamas supporters who want to kill them? Seeing as Hamas don't wear uniforms to fight in and hide amongst the civilian population it is not surprising if the IDF see potential threats everywhere.

That's ofcourse the IDF versions of events and as you know that they are known to lie. Do you remember how they lied about the ambulance crew they murdered and buried?

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 09:46

You know the IDF have and are carrying out war crimes in Gaza. That is no longer disputed except by the Israeli government.

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:00

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 09:46

You know the IDF have and are carrying out war crimes in Gaza. That is no longer disputed except by the Israeli government.

And posters on here, of course!

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 03/06/2025 10:27

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 09:15

New shooting near Gaza aid site kills 27 people, health ministry says

At least 27 people were killed and more than 90 injured by Israeli forces as they waited to collect humanitarian aid at a distribution center in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning, according to Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health.

The Israel Defense Forces released a statement acknowledging a shooting around 500 meters from one of the aid sites run by the U.S.- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

"Earlier today, during the movement of the crowd on the regulated routes on the way to the distribution complex, about half a kilometer from the complex, IDF forces identified a number of suspects moving towards them while deviating from the access routes," the statement read.

"The forces fired evasive shots, and after they did not move away, additional shots were fired near the individual suspects who were advancing towards the forces," it added.

"Reports of casualties are known, details of the incident are under investigation," the IDF said.

The IDF said that it allows GHF "to operate independently to distribute aid to Gaza residents and prevent it from reaching the Hamas terrorist organization."
"IDF forces do not prevent Gaza residents from reaching the aid distribution complexes," it added. "The shooting was carried out about half a kilometer from the distribution complex at individual suspects who approached the forces in a manner that endangered them."

The GHF released a statement on Tuesday morning saying "aid distribution was conducted safely and without incident at our site today."

However, the organization acknowledged that the IDF "is investigating whether a number of civilians were injured after moving beyond the designated safe corridor and into a closed military zone."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/new-shooting-gaza-aid-site-kills-24-people/story?id=122438419

Classic IDF - “I didn’t do it but if I done it how could you tell me that I’m to blame”.

Deny for days and when it goes further out of the news admit that maybe you carried out the murder but claim the victims were terrorists! It is always the exact same chain of events, Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

You can’t shoot people because they deviate from a path - an army that shoots civilians because they don’t walk in a certain formation!

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 03/06/2025 10:30

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 09:30

I'm sure the IDF do get jittery when they see Palestinians deviating from the designated access routes, walking towards them and not moving away after the IDF have issued warning shots (as reported by ABC news above).

How are they to know the people walking towards them are not Hamas or Hamas supporters who want to kill them? Seeing as Hamas don't wear uniforms to fight in and hide amongst the civilian population it is not surprising if the IDF see potential threats everywhere.

That is ridiculous logic - they have invaded Palestine and say that if a Palestinian walks in their direction it is a legitimate reason to shoot them! This is such a ridiculous argument.

It would be like me shooting a man for walking in my direction because for all I know he is a rapist or a murderer - how would that hold up in court??

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:35

So murdering 27 people (a day) is okay if you’re feeling a bit jittery. We are all meant to be absolutely okay with that?

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:38

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:35

So murdering 27 people (a day) is okay if you’re feeling a bit jittery. We are all meant to be absolutely okay with that?

Exactly, the IDF feel jittery every day so they just shoot and kill whenever they feel a little worried. And the worst part is that some posters will constantly defend them and the murder of thousands of Palestinians.

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 10:39

It’s nothing like the example you give.

It is a war zone. The IDF have provided safe access routes for people who are collecting aid to walk on as move towards the aid distribution units.

The IDF are also protecting the area outside the aid distribution unit from people - Hamas or gangs - who could potentially try to attack.

In that scenario I think it’s reasonable for the IDF to ask people to stick to the designated access routes. I certainly would do if I were a Palestinian civilian not looking for any trouble but just to collect aid.

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Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 10:41

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:35

So murdering 27 people (a day) is okay if you’re feeling a bit jittery. We are all meant to be absolutely okay with that?

No you don’t have to be ok with it but it is understandable why the IDF might be feeling jittery in that situation (in my opinion).

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kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:45

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 10:41

No you don’t have to be ok with it but it is understandable why the IDF might be feeling jittery in that situation (in my opinion).

Jittery doesn’t give you the right to murder people. And when you’re the party herding people into small spaces because you’ve been starving them for months and you’re holding literally all of the power, I’m not sure you have any reason to feel jittery.

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:47

I'm astonished how some posters continue to defend war crimes.

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 10:51

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:45

Jittery doesn’t give you the right to murder people. And when you’re the party herding people into small spaces because you’ve been starving them for months and you’re holding literally all of the power, I’m not sure you have any reason to feel jittery.

But they did have reason if the reports are true that people were walking off the designated safe access routes, not responding to being told to move back onto them and even ignoring warning shots.

I wouldn’t say that gives soldiers in a war zone the right to shoot people.

But I can see they would have reason to feel jittery. Lots of Israelis have been killed by Hamas ( not as many as the other around of course) & they don’t know who is Hamas & who isn’t.

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Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 10:52

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:47

I'm astonished how some posters continue to defend war crimes.

The point about these incidents being discussed is we don’t know who committed them or even what exactly happened.

It is rather “He said/She said” at the moment and very unclear.

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Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:53

Twiglets do you not understand? I thought with reasonable intellect you would. There used to be 400 aid hubs under the UN which meant everyone would recieve food. The new aid hubs which are only a handful do not cater for the needs of all the people. They are also located in military zones. You now have thousands of people flocking to reach their first so they can survive. In a zone of survival of the fittest which is what the Palestinians have been reduced to because of this new system, do you really think they will all walk in orderly lines? There's going to be a rush, there's chaos, people will deviate because they will try and get around the crowd to reach quicker because there isn't ENOUGH FOOD. This is the result of desperation due to the Israeli blockade and not allowing in sufficient aid. It was bound to fail and what you are seeing daily is the results of these failures coupled with the brutality of the IDF.

kirinm · 03/06/2025 10:55

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:53

Twiglets do you not understand? I thought with reasonable intellect you would. There used to be 400 aid hubs under the UN which meant everyone would recieve food. The new aid hubs which are only a handful do not cater for the needs of all the people. They are also located in military zones. You now have thousands of people flocking to reach their first so they can survive. In a zone of survival of the fittest which is what the Palestinians have been reduced to because of this new system, do you really think they will all walk in orderly lines? There's going to be a rush, there's chaos, people will deviate because they will try and get around the crowd to reach quicker because there isn't ENOUGH FOOD. This is the result of desperation due to the Israeli blockade and not allowing in sufficient aid. It was bound to fail and what you are seeing daily is the results of these failures coupled with the brutality of the IDF.

Exactly. The GHF have said it’s on a first come first serve basis. And we are expecting Palestinians to queue politely?!

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Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 11:08

We all know how heavy handed the IDF are when they are not even in a war zone. They shot warning shots at diplomats from allied countries with the same excuse tha they weren't sticking to the designated routes. By that logic did the diplomats from the UK and EU deviate purposely from the route? Did they do it because they had a crystal ball and knew the IDF would break all protocol and start shooting wildly in the air and this would be recorded and cause an uproar?Was it all a big plan to demonise the IDF and inspired by 'blind hatred of Jews'?

ArtTheClown · 03/06/2025 11:09

That is ridiculous logic - they have invaded Palestine and say that if a Palestinian walks in their direction it is a legitimate reason to shoot them! This is such a ridiculous argument.

They "invaded" Gaza, as you put it, because Hamas started a war and kidnappend Israeli civilians.

I agree @AIBUHere, bypassing Hamas with aid distribution has hit them hard to there's bound to be the sort of fuckery we're seeing - and with so many willing to believe that Israel and the IDF are just uniformally evil, it's easy to do.
And I genuinely think Hamas are more free and easy with Gazan lives than the IDF are.

Martymcfly24 · 03/06/2025 11:19

24 dead now.

Helicopters and drones used to shoot people.

Odras · 03/06/2025 11:23

@AIBUHere I’m not sure if deflection is going to work anymore. I have written to my representatives to ask that humanitarian aid be increased and also donated towards Sudan. It is entirely possible to care about several situations at the same time.
It’s disingenuous for you to reduce Sudan, which is the worlds worst humanitarian crisis with children and families starving, dying and fleeing, to a debate tactic. Sudan is not getting the attention it deserves but you do not come across as any kind of a caring person so people see through you very quickly.

Many governments are concerned about having this foundation with its murky funding and clear links to Israel being in charge of the food aid. It’s also very clear that an independent investigation is required. That is not a “half brained” response. It’s very logical. You and others like you are the ones who cannot see clearly.

ArtTheClown · 03/06/2025 11:36

24 dead now.
Helicopters and drones used to shoot people.

According to Gaza authorities, per the BBC.

Would you unquestioningly believe the Israelis to the same extent?

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 11:44

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 10:53

Twiglets do you not understand? I thought with reasonable intellect you would. There used to be 400 aid hubs under the UN which meant everyone would recieve food. The new aid hubs which are only a handful do not cater for the needs of all the people. They are also located in military zones. You now have thousands of people flocking to reach their first so they can survive. In a zone of survival of the fittest which is what the Palestinians have been reduced to because of this new system, do you really think they will all walk in orderly lines? There's going to be a rush, there's chaos, people will deviate because they will try and get around the crowd to reach quicker because there isn't ENOUGH FOOD. This is the result of desperation due to the Israeli blockade and not allowing in sufficient aid. It was bound to fail and what you are seeing daily is the results of these failures coupled with the brutality of the IDF.

What I understand is that the old system with 400 aid hubs would have worked better than this new system if Hamas hadn't stolen aid from the UN but they did. I think in the past many people turned a blind eye that Hamas were looting some of the humanitarian aid - including the UN, including Israel. But when Netanyahu decided to ramp up the military campaign against Hamas, part of his approach was to deny Hamas the opportunity to steal that food because it was a source of funding for them and a way for them to control the civilian population.

The new system I have certainly expressed my own reservations about. I have said that there need to be more than 4 and they need to build some in the North. They are now saying they are building more, including in the North. They should have done this a long time ago in my opinion, and I certainly have never agreed with Netanyahu withholding aid or only allowing it to come in very slowly with a handful of these aid hubs and all in the South.

But I don't agree that the new system is bound to fail. It could work better than the old system at bypassing Hamas and only feeding civilians. There just need to be many more hubs and they need to be spread throughout Gaza.

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Martymcfly24 · 03/06/2025 11:46

ArtTheClown · 03/06/2025 11:36

24 dead now.
Helicopters and drones used to shoot people.

According to Gaza authorities, per the BBC.

Would you unquestioningly believe the Israelis to the same extent?

https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-kills-people-waiting-for-food-gaza-6721979-Jun2025/ no this is my source.

The IDF said themselves they did shoot at people. So for once I do believe some of their story.

UN calls Israeli attacks around Gaza aid site a 'war crime' as 24 reported dead in fresh attack

The Israeli army has said its troops fired on “suspects” who moved towards them.

https://www.thejournal.ie:443/israel-kills-people-waiting-for-food-gaza-6721979-Jun2025/

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 11:51

Whatsinanamehey · 03/06/2025 11:08

We all know how heavy handed the IDF are when they are not even in a war zone. They shot warning shots at diplomats from allied countries with the same excuse tha they weren't sticking to the designated routes. By that logic did the diplomats from the UK and EU deviate purposely from the route? Did they do it because they had a crystal ball and knew the IDF would break all protocol and start shooting wildly in the air and this would be recorded and cause an uproar?Was it all a big plan to demonise the IDF and inspired by 'blind hatred of Jews'?

The delegates left an approved route so the IDF fired shots at the air "to distance them".

The delegates were not happy but neither did they continue walking towards an area they were not authorised to be in.

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kirinm · 03/06/2025 11:57

Twiglets1 · 03/06/2025 11:51

The delegates left an approved route so the IDF fired shots at the air "to distance them".

The delegates were not happy but neither did they continue walking towards an area they were not authorised to be in.

A genuine question. Is there any circumstance where you WOULD consider the IDF to be at fault or acting unreasonably without trying to deflect blame. Your posts suggest that the IDF can shoot for pretty much any reason.

What were your views on the medics that were killed by the IDF and buried in a mass grave?

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