US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

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The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

Palestinians have been killed but not necessarily trying to get aid.

They haven’t been killed at the aid distribution centres as was first reported by Hamas & repeated by UK media. Some have been killed miles away but still linked to the centres.

Some have been killed closer to the centres where people have strayed away from the designated safe corridor & into military zones - who knows why they did that. They would have been perceived by the IDF as a possible military threat, whether they in fact were or not.

Palestinian life is meaningless to the Israeli government and IDF. They kill hundreds of Palestinians every week and still try to maintain that they are moral.

Some have been killed closer to the centres where people have strayed away from the designated safe corridor & into military zones - who knows why they did that.
Where is the evidence for this? I haven't heard this

According to BBC news the current statement from IDF for todays killings is In a statement, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says it fired shots after identifying "suspects" near an aid point

The UN is calling for an independent investigation into the incidents. I won't hold my breadth the Israeli government and IDF like to investigate themselves they are not big fans of independent investigators, observers or press

They seem to be taking a leaf out of North Korea's book. Yesterday they banned journalists from visiting the village of Basel (the co-director of No other land)

You haven't heard it yet I linked to it this morning @ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

“While the aid distribution was conducted safely and without incident at our site today, we understand that IDF is investigating whether a number of civilians were injured after moving beyond the designated safe corridor and into a closed military zone,” GHF says, referring to Palestinian media reports of casualties this morning.

The distribution centres are in military zones. Isn't that convenient whenever Palestinians are killed whilst on their way to collect aid and the IDF kills them, they can just declare they were killed in a military zone!

The UN should have called for an independent investigation into the incidents when they first came to light. Instead they reported the Hamas version as fact.

Now they are calling for an independent investigation because the IDF and GHF have challenged the version they put out.

You would think the UN would have learnt by now to not just blindly repeat information from Hamas-controlled organisations without at least mentioning that the accounts haven't been verified.

That is why there is a need for safe corridors to travel to them.

Ok I will wait for independent verification on this, seems pretty poor organisation if people are able "to wander" into military zones

You haven't heard it yet I linked to it this morning
You like a lot tbf and mostly Israeli sources so I tend to stick to more independent sources

There's hundreds of thousands of people trying to reach the aid centres and there is not enough aid for everyone in them. That's why people set off hours early and try to get there in other ways so they don't return home empty handed as many do. It's not like going to a soup kitchen in the UK.

The whole method is dangerous and dehumanising. Only those who don't value Palestinian lives and dignity can't see it.

I would love to know which "independent" sources you use?

If you don't read my posts then it's pointless you saying to me "I haven't heard this" because of course you haven't if you aren't reading what I'm posting.

Pretty pointless you debating with me at all tbh or vice versa.

A better explanation from the BBC

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) claims it's giving out millions of meals, but there are questions over that because these need to be cooked and a lot of people don't have access to cooking facilities.
There is clearly a structural issue in the way that it's set up.
There are just one or two places - which the GHF says will be expanded - where thousands of people congregate, many of whom have walked for a very long time through the night to get there.
When Israeli forces see big concentrations of Palestinians, they see threat.
It seems absolutely clear that the IDF statement this morning, which makes it sound like a rather limited affair, is in direct contradiction to the information that the BBC and others are getting from the scenes in terms of witnesses who talk about a large amount of shooting going on.
I've had a message from a foreign medic working in the area, who says it has been "total carnage" since 03:48 local time (01:48 BST) this morning.
He says they have been overwhelmed with casualties.

In your opinion, the UN always state their sources and always state they are looking into it, yes they report what they are hearing but do not say it is fact. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult for them to verify anything which they state time and again. I am fed up will all this criticism of those trying to find out what is going on when it is Israel blocking them from dong so. If Israel are so concerned with Hamas propaganda why are they not allowing independent observers in? surely it is in their interest to do so, so we all know and can trust what is going on? In my opinion it is because it is far more beneficial for them to be able to claim everything is Hamas propaganda and discredit anyone that tries to report what's happening as such. We have seen with the murdered paramedics how far they'll go to peddle a lie

You would think the UN would have learnt by now to not just blindly repeat information from Hamas-controlled organisations without at least mentioning that the accounts haven't been verified.
They don't blindly repeat anything, they state what they are hearing and always say they will investigate and always state was is from IDF, what is coming from Hamas led ministry and what is coming from witnesses and medical professionals

When Israeli forces see big concentrations of Palestinians, they see threat.

This in a nutshell. Well done to the BBC for pointing out the obvious that many refuse to see.

The previous method of aid was not safe either and was more open to being abused by Hamas (which is the real reason they are so unhappy with the new system, it's not like they care about the welfare of Palestinian civilians is it?)

The issue is not to do with people setting off early, it's to do with people straying away from the safe corridors and into military zones. I will use a different source in the hope that you will actually read it this time.

I mainly use BBC, C4, NY times and listen to news talk radio.

If you don't read my posts then it's pointless you saying to me "I haven't heard this" because of course you haven't if you aren't reading what I'm posting.

Maybe be more concise with the points you are trying to make with your information rather than cut and paste from articles

I did read it Twiglets so you don't need to send it again.

New shooting near Gaza aid site kills 27 people, health ministry says

At least 27 people were killed and more than 90 injured by Israeli forces as they waited to collect humanitarian aid at a distribution center in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning, according to Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health.

The Israel Defense Forces released a statement acknowledging a shooting around 500 meters from one of the aid sites run by the U.S.- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

"Earlier today, during the movement of the crowd on the regulated routes on the way to the distribution complex, about half a kilometer from the complex, IDF forces identified a number of suspects moving towards them while deviating from the access routes," the statement read.

"The forces fired evasive shots, and after they did not move away, additional shots were fired near the individual suspects who were advancing towards the forces," it added.

"Reports of casualties are known, details of the incident are under investigation," the IDF said.

The IDF said that it allows GHF "to operate independently to distribute aid to Gaza residents and prevent it from reaching the Hamas terrorist organization."
"IDF forces do not prevent Gaza residents from reaching the aid distribution complexes," it added. "The shooting was carried out about half a kilometer from the distribution complex at individual suspects who approached the forces in a manner that endangered them."

The GHF released a statement on Tuesday morning saying "aid distribution was conducted safely and without incident at our site today."

However, the organization acknowledged that the IDF "is investigating whether a number of civilians were injured after moving beyond the designated safe corridor and into a closed military zone."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/new-shooting-gaza-aid-site-kills-24-people/story?id=122438419

Damn - I just did (but from a different source as you don't like Times of Israel).

The previous method of aid was not safe either and was more open to being abused by Hamas
This has not been evidenced to the extent that was being claimed

(which is the real reason they are so unhappy with the new system, it's not like they care about the welfare of Palestinian civilians is it?)
Who are you talking about here

These are complex issue. I think if people care about getting to the truth they will be willing to read reports that are fairly long because they include the accusation and then the response from both the IDF and the GHF.

If you read the BBC as you say then you will know they have changed how they are reporting these incidents now so maybe you should change your narrative too away from The IDF did it to - we don't know who did it.

It has been evidenced and "to the extent that was being claimed" is woolly. There are many accounts of Hamas stealing aid, breaking into UN warehouses etc.

I'm talking about Hamas.

I'm sure the IDF do get jittery when they see Palestinians deviating from the designated access routes, walking towards them and not moving away after the IDF have issued warning shots (as reported by ABC news above).

How are they to know the people walking towards them are not Hamas or Hamas supporters who want to kill them? Seeing as Hamas don't wear uniforms to fight in and hide amongst the civilian population it is not surprising if the IDF see potential threats everywhere.

When did I say I don't? I have quoted from there many times myself.