US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm

[Twiglets1]

The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp92rlm300mo

Oh that’s great so. Only a bit of tank fire on people who look unarmed. Nothing to see here. We shouldn’t even talk about.

Hamas were diverting aid on a large enough scale that another method had to be found in order to break their business model, according to Israel.

Where is the evidence for this? I was listening to reports on Channel 4 news last night and it was said that no evidence of this has been provided by Israel. They have claimed it but not evidenced it. Have you got the evidence?

Aid distribution is not without risk when people are desperate and of course gangs will try and infiltrate some of it to sell on at profit, this happens everywhere but aid agencies are skilled in how to deal with these situations. I find this new argument as to why Israel have been blocking aid for 11 weeks and starving a population pathetic and I am amazed there are posters on here peddling their rubbish as a legitimate reason for blocking aid. Using aid as a military tool is a war crime. And anyone that thinks the aid agency set up by Israel is for altruistic reasons are deluded

As per @Twiglets1 , I was talking about the helicopter quote.
The rest was obviously rubbish as the IDF, who are apparently expert marksmen shooting children, couldn’t manage to shoot anyone in a large crowd.
The injuries would be related to rushing the barbed wire fences and the general scrum.
Gunfire heard? It’s a war zone. You can hear gunfire from a good kilometer or more away. Again it’s just to push their narrative that the IDF were shooting the Gazans or leave open ended questions.

Again - civilians were not targeted or hurt by anyone firing at them.

So no, there isn't really anything much to say about gunfire etc. It has already been noted that this was an attempt to disperse the crowd which was getting out of control.

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend Funnily enough, no I don't have the evidence that Israel aren't providing to hand. I do believe them though - others may not.

However, there is the evidence that I provided upthread supplied by Hamas of their own operatives destroying a warehouse full of humanitarian aid. Got any comment about that?

Such obvious rubbish that it's scary that people could believe it.

And when I question - are the IDF bad shots (clearly being sarcastic) - get told "you sound disappointed" - it's mad.

We don’t know that injury wise. So you are happy to unquestionably accept that Israel are telling the truth and move on content that this is an ethical way to distribute aid?

I find that fascinating. Another worrisome aspect of this aid distribution besides using food as a political tool, and the unethical data collection is that we will never know how much aid is delivered and the official lines about what happens during an incident like this can only be from the IDF or this foundation.

Lots of people on here are willing to accept anything Israel says even though they’ve often been shown to lie.

They don’t give a shit about the people of Gaza. Some of the posts that get written in this website are sick.

I do believe them though - others may not
You can believe them all you like but I think your statements need to say alleged because there is no evidence, you are being misleading. Worrying that you are happy to take Israel's word for something when the consequences is starving people, I would a lot more then their word to justify that extreme action but hey ho we are all different I guess

there is the evidence that I provided upthread supplied by Hamas of their own operatives destroying a warehouse full of humanitarian aid
I will wait for a more known source before commenting on this but again if Hamas did destroy a warehouse of aid which is disgusting and unjustifiable, no one is supporting Hamas in this or believe that they act in any way in the interest of ordinary Palestinians, but why should this action mean aid is blocked, again why are innocent civilians being punished?

Such obvious rubbish that it's scary that people could believe it.
The irony

And when I question - are the IDF bad shots (clearly being sarcastic) - get told "you sound disappointed" - it's mad.
You included at the end of that sentence "as no one was killed". Which given the amount of people shot and killed by the IDF, including children, it was comment in very bad taste but crack on

You’re totally right. If we were to suggest that international governments should withhold selling an essential lifesaving medication to israel unless they concede to demands people would quite rightly be horrified.

Well I’m glad that my opinions fascinate you @Odras

To clarify, I’m not convinced this is the best way to distribute aid. I believe Israel when they give their reasons for why they had to find a new method of distributing aid, yes.

But this method has its own problems as I’ve already said. I will wait to see how it works out before forming a judgement about it. The jury is still out on how ethical the method is but it’s certainly better than the Gazans not being able to access aid at all.

A lot of our information about Gaza currently comes from Hamas sources and you seem to believe that more than you believe what Israel say. I’ll return the compliment and say that mindset fascinates me too.

I clearly meant no one was killed at the event being discussed which was the distribution of aid yesterday.

I’m not being misleading. I will put “alleged” next to things I believe to be true (my opinions) when everyone else on the thread does the same.

Have you got any comment to make about the video Hamas posted upthread about their operatives destroying a warehouse full of humanitarian aid?

How much do you suppose they give a shit about the people of Gaza?

Genuinely interested.

I googled ‘Hamas destroy food’ and nothing came up.

@kirinm I posted it earlier today on this thread.

Honest Reporting: Hamas Destroys Aid Warehouse on Camera—Why Isn’t This Front-Page News?
A propaganda video from Hamas shows something that should have dominated headlines: armed fighters dressed as civilians launching attacks from inside a humanitarian aid warehouse—and then blowing it up themselves.
Let’s break down why this matters.
First, by wearing civilian clothes while engaging in combat, Hamas is violating the laws of armed conflict, which require combatants to distinguish themselves from civilians. That alone is a breach of international law.
But it gets worse. The location they chose to launch their attack? A warehouse filled with humanitarian aid.
This is the same aid that UN officials have repeatedly claimed never ends up in Hamas hands. The footage says otherwise. By turning a civilian space into a military post, Hamas stripped the warehouse of its protected status under international law. That means it becomes a lawful military target—because it’s being used for hostile action.
And then, the most shocking moment: Hamas fighters proudly record themselves detonating the booby-trapped warehouse, destroying the aid themselves.
So where is the outrage? If Hamas is willing to destroy humanitarian aid, why aren’t they being held accountable for worsening conditions in Gaza?
And more urgently—why isn’t this video leading every newscast?
https://honestreporting.com/hamas-destroys-aid-warehouse-on-camera-why-isnt-this-front-page-news/

A lot of our information about Gaza currently comes from Hamas sources and you seem to believe that more than you believe what Israel say. I’ll return the compliment and say that mindset fascinates me too.

No it doesn’t. We also have had the UN, aid agencies and civilians. Then we also have independent organisations accessing the evidence available and drawing conclusions from it. Let me be clear, I do not believe what Hamas say and I do not believe what Israel say. Both have form for lying.

Dozens have been injured!

https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-injured-after-gunfire-at-aid-hub-in-gaza-13375792

Speaking from Switzerland, Mr Sunghay said: "The information that we have is that about 47 people have been injured, it is through gunshots.
"We're still gathering information, the numbers could go up.
"What we know is that it was shooting from the IDF [Israeli Defence Forces]. But again, this is a job we are continuing to do at this time."

Oh.

Bingo!, The reason no media outlet is reporting on the "video" is because no credible editor would approve the publication of such obvious propaganda from an openly biased organisation.

Also look at the video:

• No dates or timestamps. No Geolocation how do we know this in Gaza?
• Not one continuous video, but random cuts to what could be different videos spliced together - hence the inconsistent changes in lighting.
• Faces of "Hamas" operatives blurred out why?
• Video sourced from "Hamas Telegram", which Telegram account? Remember anyone can create a Telegram account and name it anything they want. In fact during the Russia/Ukraine conflict both sides have created Telegram accounts pretending to be other side for psychological warfare.

I have tended to believe what I see- though I see very little.

I see starving people, yes.
I saw well fed people celebrating as they delivered the coffins of the hostages to Israel.

So I believe that Hamas was controlling who received aid intended for everyone other than Hamas.

I see demonstrations and marches here supporting Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews. I heard of a march in Israel yesterday that sounded appallingly aggressive, but they are in the front line unlike the people marching here who are perfectly safe.

I know I don’t know the whole story- no one does. I know less than most, and have no qualifications to be listened to. I am constantly surprised by the partiality of some commentators though.