‘South Africa accused of prior knowledge of Hamas attack’

[CrunchyKnees]

Very interesting.

Doesn’t seem to have been reported in the Western MSM yet.

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/sa-accused-of-prior-knowledge-in-hamas-attack-d9786146-67b7-4997-9783-82d5a23372d2

Any thoughts?

my thoughts : Israel’s officials knew as well a year in advance and didn’t do anything to prevent it so not sure why would it matter if another country knew about it as well.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-intelligence-intl

I have searched for any information on the group CASISA and the guy(Justin Lewis) who made the claim but Google has not thrown anything up so it seems hard to verify anything without any background knowledge. Why would he be writing to the US ambassador if he is UK based.

Egypt also knew and tried to warn Israel multiple times.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Thoughts are with the beheaded babies in Gaza.

my thoughts : Israel’s officials knew as well a year in advance and didn’t do anything to prevent it so not sure why would it matter if another country knew about it as well.

Agree with above. Israel didn't give a shit and let it happen.

The usual tactic, let's blame and tar everyone who has the courage to take a stance for the Palestinians whilst ignoring their own intelligence failures.

My thoughts are with the victims of the attack on the school Israel has just bombed in Gaza in the last hour.

“As part of a political strategy, preparations were made before the October 7 atrocity against Israel to set mechanisms in place for approaching the ICC and ICJ for protection from Israel's anticipated response,”

That is a pretty serious allegation, and true, surely implicates South Africa in being complicit in Oct 7th?

Begs the question of how they and Hamas knew there would be a ‘genocide and starvation’ in advance and raises suspicions that the accusations were planned before the atrocities of Oct 7th, and any retaliation, even took place?

Doesn’t this, again if proven, discredit the ICC arrest warrants issued against Netanyahu and Gallant?

I was actually asking for thoughts on the article I posted. Not on the war that is going on now.

It goes without saying, all civilian deaths are an absolute tragedy in any war.

It is beyond evil that Hamas continue to hide out in schools and civilians areas deliberately putting innocent Palestinians in danger. Why are people who have the courage to take a stance for Palestinians STILL not outraged and protesting about that @Arayofcalm?

Really @EasterIssland you don’t think it matters that hypothetically say, the leaders of a UN member country enabled a designated terrorist organisation (designated in the whole of the Western world), to bring about a prosecution of the leaders of another UN member country it intended to invade and commit one of the world’s worst terrorist attacks on, to the International Criminal Court before they’d carried it out?

As for the Israeli government having intelligence that an attack was about to happen, this analysis is quite comprehensive with information made public to date:
https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment-of-the-intelligence-failings/

Also this article gives some background:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/07/intelligence-failures-before-7-october-attack-hamas-israel-gaza

What relevance does that have in relation to these allegations about South Africa though?

What I don't get is, Hamas's POV? Where's the win for them? They must have known all too predictably what would happen. In what sense could Oct 7 have ever left them in better shape?

Israeli intelligence says they ignored the signs that were happening that an attack was imminent

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/04/middleeast/israel-shin-bet-october-7-fault-intl-latam

I’ll ask you again. Why does it matter if SA knew about a terrorist attack soon happening in Israel if 1. Israel was aware about it and ignored it. 2. Egypt was aware and had let Israel know (see point 1).

what would have changed SA knowing if the country that could have done something about it decided to do nothing?

also, about SA enabling Hamas … I suggest you search for qatargate and how netanhayu is involved and he’s firing people to save his arse.

Yeah that really doesn't wash anymore, the IDF are 'discovering Hamas command centres' in the most convenient places to bomb. Where's the proof for all these Hamas centres that they are bombing every single day? Why don't they ever share any evidence of these 'command centres'?

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-airstrike-kills-at-least-27-sheltering-at-gaza-school-says-hamas-run-health-ministry-13341432

Checking the source you’ve posted from, doesn’t look like it’s quite a good source

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-online-iol-bias/

but I stand myself not sure what would have changed SA knowing if Israels government / intelligence knew and they also financed Hamas and did nothing.

Doesn’t this, again if proven, discredit the ICC arrest warrants issued against Netanyahu and Gallant?

No, it doesn't but nice try. They lived their lives as war criminals, will die as war criminals and will always be known as despicable war criminals.

Also I believe @CrunchyKnees is mixing two things.

SA has requested to ICJ the investigation of genocide.

ICC which is a different entity is the ones that has set an arrest warrant against netanhayu for war criminal. SA is not involved in this.

I agree that is hard to understand how they could done what they did surely knowing that retaliation would be severe & that Israel could defeat them militarily.

From what I’ve read, they may have hoped & expected that other Muslim countries would join in the attack on Israel but they didn’t.

They wanted worldwide recognition and sympathy for their cause, and more hatred of Israel. One could argue they've been successful as long as no one gives a shit about all the dead bodies.

Perhaps, but the brutality of the Oct 7 attacks on innocent civilians, might have lost them as much international sympathy as it gained them, I'd have thought.

It's really hard to see a sensible rationale for it.

I think you’re right that the October 7th attack lost them a lot of sympathy (as well as gaining them a lot of international attention to their cause).

But somehow Hamas lacked the empathy to foresee the horror that the international community would feel about innocent civilians being murdered at a music festival.

You don't think it matters if someone knows about a planned massacre and does nothing?

Wheras I'm sure all the social media accounts you regularly post are all completely accurate and unbiased.

Of course I do. Israel knew. Why didn’t they do anything?

No. I’ve had several deleted because people complained about the source. Since then I make sure I only post from few sources and I verify those that I don’t know. Seems like the source op has opened this thread with is

“we rate it “Mixed” for factual reporting due to poor sourcing practices, including a lack of external references and a few failed fact checks.”

So why do you keep saying it doesn't matter?

What would have changed if SA tried and do anything if the victim country Israel knew and didn’t do anything.

Absolutely, so I can't fathom why Israel ignored the warnings they were given!

It has not been suggested by reputable sources that Israel knew a massacre was about to happen, only that they were ill prepared for the attack and mistakes were made.

Comment to @EasterIssland in response to their comment that “Israel knew and didn’t do anything”.