‘South Africa accused of prior knowledge of Hamas attack’

[CrunchyKnees]

Very interesting.

Doesn’t seem to have been reported in the Western MSM yet.

https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/sa-accused-of-prior-knowledge-in-hamas-attack-d9786146-67b7-4997-9783-82d5a23372d2

Any thoughts?

imo they knew but they thought it wasn’t that likely so the warnings were dismissed. So I’m not sure SA knowing and telling them anything would have prevented 7oct and I can only see these news from this source a way to try and attack SA so we don’t take them seriously either their ICJ case against Israel.

Did Hamas behead babies in Gaza as well?

Israeli officials conceded that they had the blue print of Hamas's Oct 7th attack. Not a warning by phone call or word by mouth heads up, but an entire fourty page battle plan document which they admit Hamas carried out pretty accurately.

What information is south Africa accused of having and what proof Is there of these allegations?

I already stated I know nothing about what information SA had or thought they had or didn’t have 🤷🏼‍♀️

Underestimating Hamas's military capability despite several warnings and evidence of battle plans and invasions was an unfortunate intelligence failure. I don't believe that Netanyahu intentionally allowed the attacks to happen but he has to take responsibility for the failures as any other leader in the same position should.

What I'm struggling to understand from this thread is what information is South Africa accused of withholding from Israel and the evidence for these extremely serious allegations which the article does not provide.

I thought that's what this thread was about. Never mind perhaps the OP will come back to enlighten us.

It is but I don’t have any more knowledge than anyone else.

Haven’t caught up with the rest of the thread but just going to respond to this.

I’ll ask you again - you don’t think if it is true that South Africa was already planning a to bring about a prosecution on behalf of Hamas to accuse Israel of war crimes, prior to a war that hadn’t yet started, it matters or in any way discredits that prosecution?

I think most people with any intelligence would say it does.

Apologies if you misunderstood the point I was trying to make to make but I thought it was quite clear.

How can you make a credible case of a crime before it’s taken place, especially when the people you are making the case on behalf of committed a crime to orchestrate the alleged crimes that they are making accusations of??!!

This lends more credibility to Hamas’ goal of the Oct 7th attack being to push a narrative and a propaganda war they themselves set up prior to Oct 7th.

I wasn’t implying that SA should have warned Israel, although a UN member state having advance detailed plans of a massive terrorist attack against another UN member state and not passing the information on is pretty damning, even if it wasn’t acted on. I haven’t seen any reports that SA did pass on information and would assume they had more detailed plans than Israel had if they were acting for Hamas.

If true of course.

Even if Israel had taken action on intel that an attack was imminent, with no date, can you imagine the international outrage and condemnation if the IDF had gone into Gaza and started rounding up thousands of Palestinian civilians and detaining them to prevent an attack? Or started firing at thousands of Palestinian civilians as they came towards the border.

The funding from Qatar was explained in the previous link I posted.

“How can you make a credible case of a crime before it’s taken place, especially when the people you are making the case on behalf of committed a crime to orchestrate the alleged crimes that they are making accusations of??!!”

Do you think SA knew exactly what IDF and Netanyahu would do? It’s like SA laid a trap for Netanyahu 😩

It’s such a shame that Netanyahu has then given SA (and the rest of the world) so much evidence of war crimes for the ICC to put out arrest warrants.

Maybe they saw a levelling in aid, the longer Gaza was stable pre 10/7.
Less aid, less money for Hamas to steal, less leverage for Hamas to use in order to foster the close ties between too many Gazans and Hamas.
All those potentially idle young males in a population overwhelmingly consisting of the young ( due to Hamas policy of "encouraging" continual breeding in women of childbearing age, in order to feed the Gazan to Hamas pipeline) potentially left to think for themselves whilst gazing out their days.....there is too high a chance that too many of them may not come to as binary a conclusion about their society, Hamas or Israel as is needed for Hamas and anti Israel support outside of the region to thrive using the justification that it does, with the presumption that Gazans, etc support their tactics and message.
No palm greasing, more chance of an uprising of young, sturdy men rebelling against Hamas.
Relative stability will not bring in the increase in cash needed to keep Hamas operatives of any.strata in the lifestyle that they are accustomed to. Neither will there be enough money to encourage ordinary Gazans to think that being sitting ducks for Israel in order to justify Hamas or medical and teaching staff allowing Hamas access to their buildings is within the realms of sanity.

Hamas aint stupid. They cannot allow a significant amount of Gazans to think enough to finger point at them.

Thanks for that, @EasyTouch. A pretty nihilistic attitude if you're right, though.