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Conflict in the Middle East

BBC Gaza ceasefire deal being finalised

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EasterIssland · 13/01/2025 20:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0jgnvkdyno

let’s hope it’s a permanent ceasefire and that hostages and those arrested without any reason are soon returned to their families.

Destruction from strike in Gaza

Gaza ceasefire deal being finalised, Palestinian official tells BBC

President Biden meanwhile says a deal is "on the brink" of coming to fruition and his administration is working on it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0jgnvkdyno

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Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 17:37

Scirocco · 15/01/2025 17:25

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c3rwqpj70ert

Link to BBC live page. InshaAllah...

Thank you

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 17:38

Seismic and momentous

Live on BBC world service

Really emotional

Apologiesbut · 15/01/2025 17:42

Apparently 15,000 Palestinian children have been murdered in this genocide. How anyone can defend Israel’s military actions is absolutely obscene . Before October 7th the Palestinians have been living in what is essentially an open-air prison . This is genocide , they have flattened the place. Even with a cease-fire that has come too late anyway how on earth are the Palestinians supposed to move on, the impact of that many people being murdered and displaced . It’s obscene . Absolutely obscene. I hope the people that make an sell these weapons burn in hell.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 17:44

Maybe they can now start the lengthy process of trying to extract the dead who are still buried under the rubble, to atleast bury them properly.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/01/2025 17:58

A Phyrric victory for Biden. If he’d done this deal a year ago, this would have been the win humanity deserved. Making the deal now is the win he needs as he leaves office. History might treat Biden more kindly than he deserves to be treated thanks to this ceasefire deal just as he leaves office. All I see is an old man walking away from the dying dumpster fire of his own making (I’m viewing this from my American perspective… there are others involved, of course!).

It’s great that it’s happening, don’t get me wrong. But I can’t feel the joy, the big exhale. There’s been too much sorrow for too long. This deal could have and should have happened a year ago. It didn’t. We know why it didn’t happen then and we know the reality of why it’s happening now. All that said, thank God it’s happening at least.

Ben Gvir and Smotrich… can’t wait to see those fuckheads go.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 18:01

I wonder if Dr Hussam will be released from Kamal Adwan hospital, hopefully still alive as he is still held in Israeli torture dungeons without charge.

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 18:04

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/01/2025 17:58

A Phyrric victory for Biden. If he’d done this deal a year ago, this would have been the win humanity deserved. Making the deal now is the win he needs as he leaves office. History might treat Biden more kindly than he deserves to be treated thanks to this ceasefire deal just as he leaves office. All I see is an old man walking away from the dying dumpster fire of his own making (I’m viewing this from my American perspective… there are others involved, of course!).

It’s great that it’s happening, don’t get me wrong. But I can’t feel the joy, the big exhale. There’s been too much sorrow for too long. This deal could have and should have happened a year ago. It didn’t. We know why it didn’t happen then and we know the reality of why it’s happening now. All that said, thank God it’s happening at least.

Ben Gvir and Smotrich… can’t wait to see those fuckheads go.

It’s not Biden getting it over the line

Liv999 · 15/01/2025 18:05

Apologiesbut · 15/01/2025 17:42

Apparently 15,000 Palestinian children have been murdered in this genocide. How anyone can defend Israel’s military actions is absolutely obscene . Before October 7th the Palestinians have been living in what is essentially an open-air prison . This is genocide , they have flattened the place. Even with a cease-fire that has come too late anyway how on earth are the Palestinians supposed to move on, the impact of that many people being murdered and displaced . It’s obscene . Absolutely obscene. I hope the people that make an sell these weapons burn in hell.

Agree 100%, and Israel haven't even done what they set out to do in the first place which was to eradicate Hamas, over 64,000 innocent lives lost for nothing, absolutely disgusting

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 18:08

It’s great that it’s happening, don’t get me wrong. But I can’t feel the joy, the big exhale. There’s been too much sorrow for too long. This deal could have and should have happened a year ago. It didn’t. We know why it didn’t happen then and we know the reality of why it’s happening now. All that said, thank God it’s happening at least.

@SerenityNowInsanityLater i feel exactly the same. Of course it is fantastic but my goodness there is so much to be overcome. So many dead, so many traumatised, most of the Gaza uninhabitable, healthcare can't be rebuilt over night, schools and universities destroyed, employment gone. It is so so far from what their lives were like 15months ago, it's difficult to even imagine how they can move forward.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/01/2025 18:10

EasternStandard · 15/01/2025 18:04

It’s not Biden getting it over the line

Yeah I’m being a bit cynical and rather lazy. My very jaded point is, this ceasefire deal has to happen on Biden’s watch, not Trump’s. It’s a small feather.

thatone · 15/01/2025 18:10

It annoys me when news reports say that the 'war' is ending. It is not a war it is a genocide.

Gotthatbigpenergy · 15/01/2025 18:11

I’m can’t help but feel sceptical that once all of the females have been released Israel will yet again break the ceasefire.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/01/2025 18:12

thatone · 15/01/2025 18:10

It annoys me when news reports say that the 'war' is ending. It is not a war it is a genocide.

It’s why I stopped posting on MN. Every time I mention the genocide in Gaza, my posts get zapped. Narratives matter. The truth doesn’t. The truth will get you silenced.

EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 18:21

thatone · 15/01/2025 18:10

It annoys me when news reports say that the 'war' is ending. It is not a war it is a genocide.

And I’d take with a pinch of a salt the “end”

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Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 18:28

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/01/2025 18:12

It’s why I stopped posting on MN. Every time I mention the genocide in Gaza, my posts get zapped. Narratives matter. The truth doesn’t. The truth will get you silenced.

💯

Ohthatsabitshit · 15/01/2025 19:10

Thank God.

mouthpipette · 15/01/2025 21:17

mouthpipette · 14/01/2025 14:21

Trump has set himself up as the "Man to end wars and to broker ceasefires" and so it is essential that he visibly manages to achieve either one or the other.

My guess is that he has put pressure on Netanyahu to accept a ceasefire, however, I would be very surprised if Netanyahu had not extracted something from Trump in return.

Perhaps Israel asked for, or the US offered, to turn a blind eye to whatever Israel proposes to do in the West Bank in the future. It wouldn't surprise me.

I've changed my mind.
America suddenly put pressure on Israel because it had become sick and tired of the conflict.
In a speech by Blinken yesterday, he basically spelt out how Hamas couldn't be eradicated without implementing a whole raft of measures that basically took away a lot of Palestinian grievances. It was a clear turnaround of US thinking, or at least public expression of that thinking. It was actually quite heartening to hear him talk about international investment in Gaza's infrastructure.

It also goes to show how the US could have stopped this at any time, had it so wanted. But that's another story.
So it does look like the US will push against Israel and will press for greater Palestinian rights, so @mouthpipette you were wrong.

PeasfullPerson · 15/01/2025 21:28

Let there be white kites 🪁 🕊️

IF I MUST DIE, By Dr. Refaat Alareer
If I must die,
you must live
to tell my story
to sell my things
to buy a piece of cloth
and some strings,
(make it white with a long tail)
so that a child, somewhere in Gaza
while looking heaven in the eye
awaiting his dad who left in a blaze—
and bid no one farewell
not even to his flesh
not even to himself—
sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above
and thinks for a moment an angel is there
bringing back love
If I must die
let it bring hope
let it be a tale

mouthpipette · 15/01/2025 21:30

Blinken talked about the need for creating a "Credible political horizon for the Palestinians" and talked about their governance.

A good analysis of the details of the ceasefire deal and how it suddenly came about are at Novara

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PeasfullPerson · 15/01/2025 21:32

Apologiesbut · 15/01/2025 17:42

Apparently 15,000 Palestinian children have been murdered in this genocide. How anyone can defend Israel’s military actions is absolutely obscene . Before October 7th the Palestinians have been living in what is essentially an open-air prison . This is genocide , they have flattened the place. Even with a cease-fire that has come too late anyway how on earth are the Palestinians supposed to move on, the impact of that many people being murdered and displaced . It’s obscene . Absolutely obscene. I hope the people that make an sell these weapons burn in hell.

I agree it’s obscene, but I believe that after much time and further hardship Palestine will rebuild itself. I think it’s important to believe that.

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:38

In a speech by Blinken yesterday, he basically spelt out how Hamas couldn't be eradicated without implementing a whole raft of measures that basically took away a lot of Palestinian grievances.

Its crazy to think that it has taken so many deaths for the idiots in charge to understand what lots of people said from the very beginning. You can't bomb an ideology out of existence. The whole thing is just so fucked up from beginning to end. Men and their propensity for violence and greed taking over all common sense and decency.

Whatsinanamehey · 15/01/2025 21:39

PeasfullPerson · 15/01/2025 21:28

Let there be white kites 🪁 🕊️

IF I MUST DIE, By Dr. Refaat Alareer
If I must die,
you must live
to tell my story
to sell my things
to buy a piece of cloth
and some strings,
(make it white with a long tail)
so that a child, somewhere in Gaza
while looking heaven in the eye
awaiting his dad who left in a blaze—
and bid no one farewell
not even to his flesh
not even to himself—
sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above
and thinks for a moment an angel is there
bringing back love
If I must die
let it bring hope
let it be a tale

Beautiful, Thank you for sharing. It's so sad that he was murdered by Israel before the war ended.

ssd · 15/01/2025 21:46

NoisyBear · 15/01/2025 21:38

In a speech by Blinken yesterday, he basically spelt out how Hamas couldn't be eradicated without implementing a whole raft of measures that basically took away a lot of Palestinian grievances.

Its crazy to think that it has taken so many deaths for the idiots in charge to understand what lots of people said from the very beginning. You can't bomb an ideology out of existence. The whole thing is just so fucked up from beginning to end. Men and their propensity for violence and greed taking over all common sense and decency.

Amen to this.

EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 22:07

Palestinian children celebrating the news

https://x.com/missfalsteenia/status/1879596035158553057

shame so many children haven’t made it to this date

x.com

https://x.com/missfalsteenia/status/1879596035158553057

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EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 23:53

EasterIssland · 15/01/2025 22:07

Palestinian children celebrating the news

https://x.com/missfalsteenia/status/1879596035158553057

shame so many children haven’t made it to this date

Hind

BBC Gaza ceasefire deal being finalised
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