Obscene atrocities

[candlewhickgreen]

If a state hostile to the west was guilty of atrocities this obscene, there would be widespread consensus that it was one of the great crimes of our age.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/03/slaughter-gaza-women-children-israel-7-october

Interesting article in the Guardian on the consensus among political leaders including Starmer, that they stand by Israel despite their continuing atrocities.

Even though he was a human rights lawyer, Starmer approved of crimes such as depriving the Palestinians of electricity.

Now the potential Conservative leaders are saying that people who oppose Israel's stance aren't wanted in the country and we should be displaying the Israeli flag.

A recent report confirmed that Israel are deliberately keeping aid and food from the Palestinians yet the US has confirmed billions in bombs.

Years of relentless dehuminisation has reduced the Palestinians to entities unworthy of compassion.

I thought we were talking about Arab Israelis, not Palestinians? Freudian slip? You don’t regard Arab Israelis as real Israelis?

Of course I deplore it if they don’t feel safe. I like multi-ethnic communities and wouldn't want them to leave. But I can only tell you what I have been told first-hand. Like most Jewish Israelis, most Arab Israelis just want to live in peace and are scared that Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran want to prevent that.

British Muslims or their families specifically chose to emigrate to this country in the not-too-distant past (great), presumably because it gives them a better life. I hope they stay, and I deplore Islamophobia. But if they did want to leave (and again, I hope they don’t), there are a lot of Muslim-majority countries in the world where Islamophobia is not an issue.

The difference with British Jews is that after many hundreds of years of persecution in other people's countries, where it was made very clear that they were not wanted, Jews were finally granted their own majority-Jewish homeland where they thought they could retreat if necessary, if the worst came to the worst, and feel safe. Sadly it seems they were wrong.

I cannot believe that women and children have not been evacuated to neighbouring Arab states.

From Gaza? Israel closed every route out and bombed evacuation convoys. Even children in desperate need of medical care not available in Gaza are denied evacuation, knowing that this means a death sentence for them.

@Turnups "British Muslims or their families specifically chose to emigrate to this country in the not-too-distant past (great), presumably because it gives them a better life."

Really? I didn't. And I can trace my ancestry in the UK back to the late 1700s. At that point it gets harder to track for most people.

Some people in Reform and similar would like to deport me. I am curious as to where they think I should go.

Interesting, but you must be in a very small minority.

Fwiw I despise Reform and similar.

I don't think the PP was referring to white British reverts.

Ah yes, those literal infants with fully formed opinions on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Yes, the Muslim community in Britain in the late 1700s was tiny. Its extremely unusual to have a family tree that goes back that far too - how wonderful.

No, they referred to 'British Muslims'. We aren't some homogeneous group. We're diverse.

100% this.

They referred to British Muslims whose families had emigrated here in the not too distant past. British Muslims are indeed a diverse group, like many others and it's highly unlikely that out of all those diverse groups that they dislike, Reform gives enough of a toss about or would be in any way capable of deporting white British people whose white British ancestry dates back hundreds of years, regardless of their religion.

Oh, you'd be surprised. People have been explicit in their views to that effect. I'm the worst kind, apparently. Blood traitor, race traitor, etc. But please, continue to dismiss and minimise the religiously motivated abuse I and the many others like me receive.

@Scirocco Nowhere have I done anything like that so your false accusation is uncalled for.

"it's highly unlikely that out of all those diverse groups that they dislike, Reform gives enough of a toss about...[me]" is minimising. I experience, and others like me experience, a lot of religiously motivated prejudice and abuse, including threats of deportation. This is something my husband and I have even had to consider for our DC in terms of their citizenships, to reduce the risks of stripping of British citizenship in the future.

Welcome to the club.

It's a crap club but with lots of decent people stuck in it. No need to make things harder for any of us.

I didn't. Please stop inferring I've done something that I haven't.

That's exactly what it is

Talking of obscene atrocities there is total carnage in the north of Gaza tonight. Worst than a nightmare.

Egypt doesn’t want the Palestinians and built a massive wall in February. Oddly that’s had no media coverage at all….

@SunnyZebra there are many historical reasons why the surrounding countries would not be keen.

Oh I know, I just find it interesting that the huge wall Egypt built didn’t get any media coverage.

Do you mean the huge mystery walled compound with 'facilities' in the desert near Kerem Shalom crossing which was thought to be discreet preparations for refugees?
And is now used as parking for aid trucks

The substantial border wall has been there for donkeys years

I'm not sure if this has been posted before. https://thecradle.co/articles-id/27147