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Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 09:24

"It comes as Hamas appeared to push back against resuming ceasefire negotiations. On Friday, the leaders of the US, Egypt and Qatar called on Israel and Hamas to restart talks to finalise a ceasefire and hostage release deal by 15 August.
Israel said last week it would send negotiators to take part in the meeting. Hamas initially said it was studying the offer but has now hinted it may stay out of the new round of talks."

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Limesodaagain · 13/08/2024 10:12

Horrifying

Dandeliontea123 · 13/08/2024 10:18

Limesodaagain · 13/08/2024 10:12

Horrifying

It really is.

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 17:54

Let's hope the warnings from.the US will prevent this happening. Enough death and destruction in the area already.

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mids2019 · 13/08/2024 18:52

I hope sense prevails. It may yet be another calibrated response from Iran to show it can retaliate without bringing the full force of the US against it. Iran can't risk a devastating phase of attacks when the regime is weak.

Moreofthesamenothanks · 13/08/2024 18:54

Let's hope so.

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Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 07:36

Sadly this is the first phase.

"The second thing to look at is what will Hezbollah do next, If anything. They are describing this as the first phase of their planned retaliation after the assassination of the top Hezbollah commander, Fuad Shukr, which happened in late July. "

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Moreofthesamenothanks · 25/08/2024 08:12

Interesting that BBC news have framed this as Israel are attacking Hezbollah yet Sky News said hundreds of attacks on Israel which were followed by Israel attacking back.

Aljazeera also reporting hundreds of missiles fires at Israel.

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ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 14:09

Did you realise Israel attacked first?

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 14:16

Israel struck pre-emptively.

IDF calls airstrikes inside Lebanon an 'act of self-defence'
Israeli Defence Forces spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a statement early on Sunday: "‎‏In a self-defence act to remove these threats, the (Israeli military) is striking terror targets in Lebanon, from which Hezbollah was planning to launch their attacks on Israeli civilians.

"We can see that Hezbollah is preparing to launch an extensive attack on Israel, while endangering the Lebanese civilians," he added, without providing details.

"‎‏We warn the civilians located in the areas where Hezbollah is operating to move out of harm’s way immediately for their own safety."

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-carries-out-attacks-in-lebanon-as-hezbollah-hits-back-13202914
“Israel says it has carried out preemptive air strikes in Lebanon - as Hezbollah fires back”

Israel says it's carried out 'pre-emptive' airstrikes in Lebanon - as Hezbollah fires back

Israel has carried out "pre-emptive" strikes against Hezbollah, while the militant group says it has completed the "first phase" of an attack on 11 Israeli military sites.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-carries-out-attacks-in-lebanon-as-hezbollah-hits-back-13202914

roses2 · 25/08/2024 14:25

*Israel struck pre-emptively.

We can see that Hezbollah is preparing to launch an extensive attack on Israel*

So...Israel struck first then.

NotTerfNorCis · 25/08/2024 15:02

Israel struck pre-emptively

Like in 1967. And 1956?

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 16:36

ScrollingLeaves · 25/08/2024 14:09

Did you realise Israel attacked first?

So some people would prefer the Israelis to just sit there and wait for hundreds of Hezbollah missiles and drones to hit them? I take it those people would also be ok with their own government and military not responding in any way to the credible threat of a large scale attack on their population, even while the attack was actually fucking happening. Unbelievable. Considering the amount of sneering criticism I've seen on here regarding the failures of Israeli intelligence and the IDF regarding October 7th, the hypocrisy is off the scale.

'Hezbollah has said it hit 11 Israeli military sites, fired more than 320 rockets and sent drones flying into northern Israel on Sunday as part of the “first phase” of its response to Israel’s killing of the movement’s top commander in a strike on Beirut last month.

Early on Sunday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had launched strikes inside Lebanon after assessing that Hezbollah was preparing to fire rockets and missiles towards Israel. Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, the top Israeli military spokesperson, said 100 warplanes struck more than 40 Hezbollah launch areas, eliminating thousands of rocket launcher barrels aimed for immediate fire towards Israel.

Hezbollah said its attack involved more than 320 Katyusha rockets aimed at multiple sites in Israel and a “large number” of drones.
It later announced the military operation was “completed” for the day. The Lebanese group denied that Israel’s pre-emptive strikes, launched just before its own attack, affected its own operation. “The enemy’s claims about the pre-emptive action it carried out, the targets it struck and its disruption of the resistance’s [Hezbollah’s] attack, are empty,” Hezbollah’s statement read. It added that all drones were launched as scheduled “towards the desired targets”.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/25/israel-hezbollah-attacks-what-we-know-so-far

Rummly · 25/08/2024 16:45

Israel did what was sensible in the circumstances. It says it had intelligence that Hezbollah would attack. And the 300+ rockets fired at Israel would suggest the intelligence was right.

I am very doubtful that Iran will do anything. It wants to fund terrorists to attack Israel and kill Jews, and deny its role, not drag itself into a war it knows it will lose.

No doubt the ‘deeply concerned’ of MN will be along to disparage Israel and “Zionists” - who are of course completely different from Jews.

79Helene · 25/08/2024 16:48

Hezbollah had their rockets good to go and pointing directly toward central Israel.

Iran doesn't want a war it knows it can't win against the US.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 16:54

79Helene · 25/08/2024 16:48

Hezbollah had their rockets good to go and pointing directly toward central Israel.

Iran doesn't want a war it knows it can't win against the US.

And the beleaguered Lebanese people have no wish to be dragged into a war started by Iran and Hezbollah but no-one appears to give a shit about them because they're too busy shrieking "Israel started it!".

79Helene · 25/08/2024 17:02

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 16:54

And the beleaguered Lebanese people have no wish to be dragged into a war started by Iran and Hezbollah but no-one appears to give a shit about them because they're too busy shrieking "Israel started it!".

Any opportunity innit.

Anyway, Hezbollah themselves don't want a war with Israel (and vice versa).

The most worrying thing here is if this escalates, the talks in Egypt will almost certainly be over.

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:08

On Iran responding to the Israeli breach of it's sovereignty, yesterday the commander in chief of the IRGC responded to a question by saying "You will hear good news about revenge". There are also reports from back in May 2024 that senior Iranian leaders are reviewing their stance against nuclear weapons.

Nasrallah has just given a speech about the military targets that Hezbollah targeted (including the secret base where unit 8200 is housed outside Tel Aviv).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
He stated that everyone delayed their response to allow negotiations regarding Gaza. Now that those are basically dead each front will respond separately to the attacks by IDF.
Netanyahu is getting exactly what he wished for.

Unit 8200 - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:25

Rummly · 25/08/2024 16:45

Israel did what was sensible in the circumstances. It says it had intelligence that Hezbollah would attack. And the 300+ rockets fired at Israel would suggest the intelligence was right.

I am very doubtful that Iran will do anything. It wants to fund terrorists to attack Israel and kill Jews, and deny its role, not drag itself into a war it knows it will lose.

No doubt the ‘deeply concerned’ of MN will be along to disparage Israel and “Zionists” - who are of course completely different from Jews.

I've often seen "I hope Israel get what it deserves" posted on this board so I guess that extends to the sentiment that death, injury and destruction inflicted upon innocent people is acceptable and justifiable as long as it's Jews, followed by the predictable outrage when the Israelis take steps to prevent Iran and its proxies attacking. I saw Hamas sent their congratulations- they're obviously deeply invested in a positive resolution to the ceasefire negotiations.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:28

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:08

On Iran responding to the Israeli breach of it's sovereignty, yesterday the commander in chief of the IRGC responded to a question by saying "You will hear good news about revenge". There are also reports from back in May 2024 that senior Iranian leaders are reviewing their stance against nuclear weapons.

Nasrallah has just given a speech about the military targets that Hezbollah targeted (including the secret base where unit 8200 is housed outside Tel Aviv).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_8200
He stated that everyone delayed their response to allow negotiations regarding Gaza. Now that those are basically dead each front will respond separately to the attacks by IDF.
Netanyahu is getting exactly what he wished for.

It almost sounds like you're looking forward to this.

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:44

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 17:28

It almost sounds like you're looking forward to this.

No, simply being factual, you can read about the coverage in the Times of Israel if you like.
Even a 5 year old knows that if you keep provoking entities supposedly "in defence" eventually there will be a response. That's why Netanyahu does it, to keep his power. I wouldn't really be bothered, except for his actions have pushed the world closer to World War 3 all for his own self preservation.

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 18:00

BelleHathor · 25/08/2024 17:44

No, simply being factual, you can read about the coverage in the Times of Israel if you like.
Even a 5 year old knows that if you keep provoking entities supposedly "in defence" eventually there will be a response. That's why Netanyahu does it, to keep his power. I wouldn't really be bothered, except for his actions have pushed the world closer to World War 3 all for his own self preservation.

Of course, you're absolutely right, it's been entirely one-sided. Not a single missile, drone or incendiary has been fired by Iran, Hezbollah or any other proxies into Israel, no-one's been injured or killed, swathes of Israel haven't been set on fire and hundreds of thousands of Israelis haven't been displaced for months. Iran and its proxies most definitely haven't attacked Israel at any point or made countless statements that they're committed to its complete destruction. It's been all and only Netanyahu provoking them all along.

Rummly · 25/08/2024 18:04

25milesfromhome · 25/08/2024 18:00

Of course, you're absolutely right, it's been entirely one-sided. Not a single missile, drone or incendiary has been fired by Iran, Hezbollah or any other proxies into Israel, no-one's been injured or killed, swathes of Israel haven't been set on fire and hundreds of thousands of Israelis haven't been displaced for months. Iran and its proxies most definitely haven't attacked Israel at any point or made countless statements that they're committed to its complete destruction. It's been all and only Netanyahu provoking them all along.

Yeah, “look what you made me do, Israel, with your democracy and liberal western views and your wish to protect your people from terrorism and antisemitism” 🙄