Hezbollah and Iran 'poised to attack Israel this week'

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https://news.sky.com/story/hezbollah-and-iran-poised-to-attack-israel-this-week-as-region-on-brink-of-dangerous-escalation-13196134

Most adults would acknowledge that Hezbollah started provoking Israel already back in October and that they have kept doing so ever since with their constant attacks up north, including one that killed 12 children just a few weeks ago. But then again most adults don't automatically feel the need to blame Israel for absolutely everything bad that happens in the world. Most adults are a bit more objective and sensible than that.

Even a 5-year old would know how to spell "Hamas".

I don't think you'll find any supporters of Netanyahu on here, but the 'it's all Israel's fault' is beyond tedious now and has rendered any kind of discussion absolutely pointless.

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

Which is why you can practically hear the tumbleweed flying past the CITME board now.

If only that was accurate unfortunately there are still numerous atrocities still happening in Gaza that posters are still highlighting on these boards. Maybe it's not something you are interested in but many of us do like to be made aware of what is happening so I am grateful to those who still update here.

Oh I am very VERY interested in it, but I prefer discussion that isn't driven by blind bias.

Anyway my sojourn on CITME is fleeting so I'll leave you to your stream of Haaretz articles because if I said what I really thought about this board and behaviour on it I'd be banned.

So kind of you take the time to come and insult people.

I think when people speak of Zionists they usually mean the group of far-right Israelis like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers, who make up part of the government and 40% of the IDF, and who seem to be gaining too much control in Israel and causing trouble and lawlessness.

No it doesn’t.

I think when people speak of Zionists they mean Jews.

No they don't.

I don't think Israel fear Hezbollah.

Or Iran.

According to Al Jazerra this morning hundreds of missiles hit northern Israel overnight, they were showing images

Indeed

The rockets (340 katushka missiles) and an unspecified number of drones were fired after the IDF carried out pre-emptive airstrikes (50) in Southern Lebanon that was announced on Israeli Channel 12.

You've been on this board a while - surely you've seen a fair few posts where Zionists themselves have mentioned what their definition of Zionism is? Why wouldn't you and other regular posters use that definition instead? If they mean far-right Israelis they should really just call them that instead instead of misappropriating a word.

For reference, Zionism to most Zionists just means that they want a Jewish homeland in Zion aka Israel. I'm a Zionist who is also pro-Palestinian as I very much want Palestinians to have their own state as well, alongside the predominantly Jewish state of Israel.

This is Al Jazeera’s news report from 16 hrs ago

The reporter stated the Israeli “military launched a series of strikes towards Lebanon” They said they launched “ preemptive strikes on Hezbollah positions after accusing the group of preparing to launch an extensive attack.” Al Jazeera then shows images of what they describe as the overnight Israeli air strikes in southern Lebanon.

Then Al Jazeera goes on to show images
coming in from northern Israel “ in the aftermath”, appearing to show Israel’s Iron Dome system active in the skies over the border region.

So it seems that the Israeli air strikes on Hezbollah were overnight, and the Hezbollah rockets launched at southern Israel followed this and were in the early morning.

That wasn't prompted by the Israeli airstrike, it was pre-planned and initiated by Hezbollah. You seemed to have missed Hezbollah's statement, so I'll repeat it for you:

Hezbollah has said it hit 11 Israeli military sites, fired more than 320 rockets and sent drones flying into northern Israel on Sunday as part of the “first phase” of its response to Israel’s killing of the movement’s top commander in a strike on Beirut last month.

Hezbollah said its attack involved more than 320 Katyusha rockets aimed at multiple sites in Israel and a “large number” of drones.
It later announced the military operation was “completed” for the day. The Lebanese group denied that Israel’s pre-emptive strikes, launched just before its own attack, affected its own operation. “The enemy’s claims about the pre-emptive action it carried out, the targets it struck and its disruption of the resistance’s [Hezbollah’s] attack, are empty,” Hezbollah’s statement read. It added that all drones were launched as scheduled “towards the desired targets”.'

You can read about it in the Guardian if you like.

I wonder why.

What do you call the views of Ben-Givr, Smotrich, etc? They are people particularly causing trouble. Are they or are they not Zionists? Maybe you think not, but people see them and their views and think that is what Zionism is, even if in reality there are Jewish people who are not at all like them, who would say they are Zionists but who simply understand this as meaning Israel is their home.

I don’t think people think all Jewish Israelis are like Ben-Givr ( and other far right extremism actors), but unfortunately his excesses, and influence in the coalition government and Netanyahu, may be affecting how Israel is perceived.

This is a really nasty, serious accusation. Have you got anything solid to back up your 'guess'? Pro Palestinian posters on this board tend to be very anti-violence and have been hoping for a ceasefire for a long time as well as hoping for a deescalation of violence in the region in general. Lots of posters have spoken about how they hope that Israel are held to account for any breaches of international law and laws of humanity with lots of support being shown for the ICJ and the ICC, and hope that the suspected crimes will be investigated fully by independent bodies so the correct people can be brought before those courts and charged. It would appear to me that support for these courts is rather lacking on the 'Pro Israel' posters with lots of condemnation towards these legal methods of justice but I haven't ever seen a 'pro Palestinian' poster here who isn't in favour of legal justice.

I guess that extends to the sentiment that death, injury and destruction inflicted upon innocent people is acceptable and justifiable as long as it's Jews
^^ this seems like a rather large leap to me but it would be good if you could link to the threads or posts where your 'guess' is coming from because like I said I have only seen calls for a ceasing of violence and real want for legal justice to be brought against those violating laws and your accusations that people are wishing death, destruction and more on Jews specifically is really quite startling.

Oh, and by the way, in his televised address, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah warned that "the group [Hezbollah] will respond again if the results are deemed to be not enough" so stay tuned for more "Israel started it!".

Maybe Hezbollah are trying to save face. They were planning to retaliate for the assignations Israel had carried out. They had not done so yet. (They said at one point they were waiting for the ceasefire/hostage release negotiations.)

Then Israel beat them to it last night, staying (in their own words) this was preemptive.
Then Hezbollah shot off all their rockets at northern Israel.

Hezbolllah are probably trying to say they had the last word - that this was their planned attack, so Israel’s attempt at a preemptive strike had not stopped them.

It seems all like a deadly honour/show of force in tit for tat.

Have you got anything solid to back up your 'guess'?

It's not a guess, I'm quite sure you've been all over the board long enough to see it for yourself.

it would be good if you could link to the threads or posts where your 'guess' is coming from

It's not a guess but feel free to trawl through the hundreds of threads to prove me wrong as I've no plans to do that to prove I'm right, I know what I saw.

Right, so whatever an Israeli spokesperson says is incontrovertibly the truth if it involves a show of force whilst simultaneously being a lie about the reasons for that show of force. Whatever a Hezbollah spokesperson says, they're trying to save face and they didn't really mean it despite the fact they've been saying for weeks they were going to attack Israel. And then attacked Israel. But the timing was just coincidental. And it will come as a complete surprise to everyone when they do it again because they never said that.

Give me strength.