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cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 15:34

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 15:15

Netanyahu should not have use that phrase. It’s not one I’m familiar with but I have no doubt it is a very loaded phrase and was used deliberately. Politicians who use inflammatory, provocative language are not interested in peace and justice and are not to be trusted. They are using division and conflict for their own ends

Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter said "We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba.”

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 29/06/2024 15:36

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 09:08

Of course its 'controversial' not to mention the massacre & the hostages in the context of a music festival.

It was a tweet, not War and Peace.

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 15:50

More support for Palestine and criticism for the British government from another band

https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1807022285796065689

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https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/1807022285796065689

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 15:56

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 29/06/2024 15:36

It was a tweet, not War and Peace.

Was it only a Tweet? I thought it was something said during their set.

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 16:11

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 15:34

Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter said "We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba.”

Also completely unacceptable.
But I don’t see what that’s got to do with expecting some sympathy from festival goers for the victims of Nova festival?
I am sure many of those young people would have abhorred the things said by the Israeli government. Refusing to acknowledge their suffering adds to the division

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:16

Limesodaagain · 29/06/2024 16:11

Also completely unacceptable.
But I don’t see what that’s got to do with expecting some sympathy from festival goers for the victims of Nova festival?
I am sure many of those young people would have abhorred the things said by the Israeli government. Refusing to acknowledge their suffering adds to the division

I wasn't talking about the festival goers. What happened was obviously deplorable. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that noone has sympathy for the victims.

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:29

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:16

I wasn't talking about the festival goers. What happened was obviously deplorable. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that noone has sympathy for the victims.

Albarn chose to omit any mention of the people at the Nova festival who were massacred & are still in captivity. In the context of actually being at a music festival. People are pretending that's ok. That he didn't have time, that it was an understandable nuance to overlook it etc. So yes, I am saying there is, consistently, a lack of sympathy as evidenced by the equivocation, undermining, denialism and general shrugging & pretending its no big deal.

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:33

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:29

Albarn chose to omit any mention of the people at the Nova festival who were massacred & are still in captivity. In the context of actually being at a music festival. People are pretending that's ok. That he didn't have time, that it was an understandable nuance to overlook it etc. So yes, I am saying there is, consistently, a lack of sympathy as evidenced by the equivocation, undermining, denialism and general shrugging & pretending its no big deal.

So you're extrapolating from a single Tweet by some pop star, that no one cares about the victims?

blackcherryconserve · 29/06/2024 16:38

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 10:18

I imagine that with limited time, during a set, he didn't have time to bring in every nuance.

'every nuance' Are you for real? Nova was a music festival Glastonbury is a music festival (supposedly) the deaths and carnage that took place at Nova should have been mentioned. It isn't a nuance at all.

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:43

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:33

So you're extrapolating from a single Tweet by some pop star, that no one cares about the victims?

No. It was not a tweet. It was his statement at his set at Glastonbury which demonstrated a lack of sympathy for the victims. The clip is literally in the OP. Coud you just try to engage in a sensible conversation?

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:49

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:43

No. It was not a tweet. It was his statement at his set at Glastonbury which demonstrated a lack of sympathy for the victims. The clip is literally in the OP. Coud you just try to engage in a sensible conversation?

I can't open the link. Someone here said it was a Tweet. His omission doesn't mean no one cares. Again, he's a pop star and referring to the plight of the Palestinians. You're now saying that no one cares because he didn't mention it. What are you basing your supposition on exactly?

Sausagenbacon · 29/06/2024 16:51

Damon Albarn, like Dua Lipa, makes good music.
It doesn't stop them being air-headed, virtue -signalling morons.
The mystery to me is why so many people think they're opinions are relevant.
But it was ever the way. Make a. Half-decent piece of music and suddenly you're Gandhi.

HowIrresponsible · 29/06/2024 16:56

TwilightSkies · 29/06/2024 09:00

What a silly, shallow commentary on the conflict

You spelt genocide wrong.

What genocide? Israel could have flattened Gaza by now and killed every person there...and yet they haven't.

Israel is the only country on earth who isnt allowed to defend itself.

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:56

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 16:49

I can't open the link. Someone here said it was a Tweet. His omission doesn't mean no one cares. Again, he's a pop star and referring to the plight of the Palestinians. You're now saying that no one cares because he didn't mention it. What are you basing your supposition on exactly?

I give up, sorry, can't work your cognitive skills for you.

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 17:00

Sausagenbacon · 29/06/2024 16:51

Damon Albarn, like Dua Lipa, makes good music.
It doesn't stop them being air-headed, virtue -signalling morons.
The mystery to me is why so many people think they're opinions are relevant.
But it was ever the way. Make a. Half-decent piece of music and suddenly you're Gandhi.

Completely agree. I think DA is generally considered a bit mature & thoughtful though, so its disappointing. I think its the generally positive way his comments were received (big cheers -lots of appreciative circulation of the clip) and then the extraordinary, but entirely predictable, minimising, denialism, goalpost moving etc on this thread that gives it wider significance. Maybe the posters here are in a minority. Lets hope so.

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 17:03

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:29

Albarn chose to omit any mention of the people at the Nova festival who were massacred & are still in captivity. In the context of actually being at a music festival. People are pretending that's ok. That he didn't have time, that it was an understandable nuance to overlook it etc. So yes, I am saying there is, consistently, a lack of sympathy as evidenced by the equivocation, undermining, denialism and general shrugging & pretending its no big deal.

Nothing of what happened on 7-10 can be changed. What is happening in Gaza can be changed I.e selecting governments that

  1. dont prevent arrest warrants against those that are committing war crimes
  2. providing arms to those that are committing war crimes

according to you he should have mentioned as well those from 7-10 because it happened in a festival like Glastonbury. What about those victims that were not in the festival ? Shouldn’t those be mentioned as well?

also, in my opinion you can have empathy for those victims but don’t have to mention them all the time. Specially not every time you talk about Palestine.

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 17:04

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 16:56

I give up, sorry, can't work your cognitive skills for you.

You have a habit of flouncing when you can't back up what you're saying. Now you're just being rude. Making wild and dramatic assertions doesn't say much for your cognitive functioning either.

EasterIssland · 29/06/2024 17:12

Sausagenbacon · 29/06/2024 16:51

Damon Albarn, like Dua Lipa, makes good music.
It doesn't stop them being air-headed, virtue -signalling morons.
The mystery to me is why so many people think they're opinions are relevant.
But it was ever the way. Make a. Half-decent piece of music and suddenly you're Gandhi.

id rather prefer to be like Dua than many of the people that I share the planet with tbh

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/recording-artist-dua-lipa-visits-lebanon-unicef-meet-refugee-children-and-young

Recording artist Dua Lipa visits Lebanon with UNICEF to meet refugee children and young people

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/recording-artist-dua-lipa-visits-lebanon-unicef-meet-refugee-children-and-young

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 17:22

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 17:04

You have a habit of flouncing when you can't back up what you're saying. Now you're just being rude. Making wild and dramatic assertions doesn't say much for your cognitive functioning either.

I can't open the link. Someone here said it was a Tweet.
This is your responsibility. The clip is widely available. Even if you couldnt open it you could source it. It does rather change the whole conversation if it was a tweet rather than his statements to a huge crowd. Sorry, I would expect you to work this out if you had read all the posts

His omission doesn't mean no one cares.
I don't think I said it did. He made a decision to make statement to a large crowd, knowing he would also have a large global tv and digital audience. It was not a side comment in a larger conversation in the pub. Any thoughtful, sensible person would chose their words carefully. It does therefore suggest that a. He doesn't care very much because his ommission was deliberate b. That he knew he would get away with it, ie broadly his audience would agree.

Again, he's a pop star and referring to the plight of the Palestinians. You're now saying that no one cares because he didn't mention it.

Again, I didn't say noone cares. I do think this thread & others like do suggest that a lot of people who are 'Pro-Palestinian' don't really care. I mean is it so hard to say: we are at a music festival. Our thoughts are with those who didn't come home from the Nova festival, alongside all those others caught up in the tragedy of this war. & go on to say whatever specific to the Palestinians.

What are you basing your supposition on exactly? As already explained by me & others above, several times now. You will have to do this bit for yourself.

No doubt you will go through this with a fine tooth comb looking for gotchas. Go for it!

TequilaSunsets · 29/06/2024 17:34

He also didn't mention any number of atrocities currently happening in the world, aside from the 7/10 attacks. What of it? Isn't he allowed to express sympathy for people currently being starved to death in between being bombarded?

cupcaske123 · 29/06/2024 17:36

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 17:22

I can't open the link. Someone here said it was a Tweet.
This is your responsibility. The clip is widely available. Even if you couldnt open it you could source it. It does rather change the whole conversation if it was a tweet rather than his statements to a huge crowd. Sorry, I would expect you to work this out if you had read all the posts

His omission doesn't mean no one cares.
I don't think I said it did. He made a decision to make statement to a large crowd, knowing he would also have a large global tv and digital audience. It was not a side comment in a larger conversation in the pub. Any thoughtful, sensible person would chose their words carefully. It does therefore suggest that a. He doesn't care very much because his ommission was deliberate b. That he knew he would get away with it, ie broadly his audience would agree.

Again, he's a pop star and referring to the plight of the Palestinians. You're now saying that no one cares because he didn't mention it.

Again, I didn't say noone cares. I do think this thread & others like do suggest that a lot of people who are 'Pro-Palestinian' don't really care. I mean is it so hard to say: we are at a music festival. Our thoughts are with those who didn't come home from the Nova festival, alongside all those others caught up in the tragedy of this war. & go on to say whatever specific to the Palestinians.

What are you basing your supposition on exactly? As already explained by me & others above, several times now. You will have to do this bit for yourself.

No doubt you will go through this with a fine tooth comb looking for gotchas. Go for it!

". So yes, I am saying there is, consistently, a lack of sympathy as evidenced by the equivocation, undermining, denialism and general shrugging & pretending its no big deal."

Where is your evidence for this assertion?

Who on this thread or in the wider populace has said that what happened at Nova is 'no big deal'? Name a politician that has said it's no big deal. Name someone that when asked about it, has said it's no big deal. Back up what you're saying with evidence instead of making unsubstantiated claims.

There is a massacre currently happening in Palestine. Tens of thousands have been killed including thousands of children, Damon Alburn mentioned it at a gig. That doesn't mean he doesn't give a toss about other victims. That doesn't mean no one cares and you can't just make up claims that it does.

swimsong · 29/06/2024 17:37

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 08:26

What a silly, shallow commentary on the conflict with no sense of irony that it started with a massacre of innocent people at a music festival. Anyway, how do we vote Hamas out next week?

You really don't know it started long before that?

SharonEllis · 29/06/2024 17:37

TequilaSunsets · 29/06/2024 17:34

He also didn't mention any number of atrocities currently happening in the world, aside from the 7/10 attacks. What of it? Isn't he allowed to express sympathy for people currently being starved to death in between being bombarded?

OFGS the other atrocities are not directly relevant are they in the specific way that 7/10 was??? Stop trolling.

Murica · 29/06/2024 17:43

Sausagenbacon · 29/06/2024 16:51

Damon Albarn, like Dua Lipa, makes good music.
It doesn't stop them being air-headed, virtue -signalling morons.
The mystery to me is why so many people think they're opinions are relevant.
But it was ever the way. Make a. Half-decent piece of music and suddenly you're Gandhi.

Damon mentioned the elections next week and octogenarians who are in charge of the whole world. So you Brits, don't vote for Biden or Trump, kay?

AhNowTed · 29/06/2024 17:43

Do folks expressing horror at 7/10 consistently mention equal horror at the slaughter of 40000 people.

Did anyone mention the continued slaughter of Palestinians prior to 7/10, when Palestinians suffered the worst death-rate (then) on record.

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