Support for Palestine at Glastonbury

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Daman Albarn

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That's not what I said is it. I said he can't be expected to bring in every aspect of the situation. An awful lot led up to the current situation, it's been building up for years. It's an ongoing complex situation. He chose to focus on the current situation with the Palestinians.

So what would be a "legitimate response to what happened" then? Bear in mind that what happened was a neighbouring government force attacked a country and murdered, raped, tortured,burnt alive, and kidnapped civilians in their homes,on the streets and at a music festival. What do you think, say, the US would do about that if it happened to them, for example? What are Israel supposed to do exactly? Seems like a lot of people expect them to do nothing while a literal terrorist group vow to wipe them from existence, even now they say they won't stop. Are they supposed to just not fight back and not exist anymore or something?

Exactly, irony deficiency

I was going to say act in accordance with international law but thinking about it, the US aren't great on that either. That's probably why they're continuing to send arms to a country currently under investigation for genocide. In fact they were accused of financing genocide in Guatamala.

They’re supposed to give a proportionate response, not massacre tens of thousands in response. Fortunately, many Israelis agree and will hopefully vote out that despicable government at the next election. Hopefully, they’ll vote someone in who acknowledges the very great wrongs perpetrated on both sides and actually tries to fix the situation fairly, rather than behaving like a big armoured bully.

Don't you think there's a response in between doing nothing and genocide?

How is killing and brutalising tens of thousands of civilians defending anyone?

Well, logically, if there's no one left in Gaza because they've all been killed or driven out, they're no longer a threat.

This is ridiculous hyperbole. If you accept Hamas's figures the number of people killed is less than 2% of the population. Every civilian death is a tragedy in a war, but nowhere close to 'noone left'.

@SharonEllis do you understand the magnitude of killing 2% of an entire population in less than a year

There are a million people, so just under half the population, on the brink of famine. 85% of people have been displaced.

@cupcaske123 agreed, and actually most Israeli politicians don’t even hide the fact that they want to kill or drive out all the Palestinians.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-six-months-conflict-more-1-million-people-are-brink-famine

That seems to be the intention given the rhetoric from the government. Starvation, lack of hospitals and medical treatment, lack of infrastructure and indiscriminate killing are all pointing in one direction.

https://x.com/brightonpsc/status/1806786354086330778?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Palestine support out in force for @lcdsoundsystem this evening at #Glastonbury.
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Of course. I used the word 'tragedy' deliberately. Nowhere close to all the population though, which is what was said. Its odd that the largest number of Jews murdered in one event since the Holocaust is a 'nuance' to be overlooked but wild unevidenced accusations about wiping out a while population are completely proportionate. I think we've reached the point in these threads where the moment for sensible conversation has passed and the bingo card is filling up so I'll leave you to it.

What did Netanyahu mean when he said, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”

Every nuance? Are you saying that the rape, cold blooded murder and burning alive of 1,200 people including children is "a nuance". Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation, that's a very strange comment.

I've already answered that question. No, that's not what I meant. It would help to read all the messages for context.

My understanding is that it is a very well known story in Judaism and overwhelmingly understood and invoked metaphorically. He almost certainly shouldn't have said it but I'm not familiar with tbe full context. I'm sure you will find full coverage of the debate in Israel its likely to have provoked if you wish to.

From my understanding there is a history of inciting that passage from the bible in order to incite violence against the Palestinians. It was used by SA in their case against Israel.

“‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

People shout "Amalek" at Palestinians and people they perceive as opposing the killing of Palestinians. A reference to Amalek is a call for the obliteration of a people, as per holy instructions, eg to "blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven" and to kill every man, woman and child of that people.

But rarely literally, as I understand it. I feel this is a pointless discussion as none of us know enough about it.

Naturi called for Gaza to be ‘wiped off the fact of the Earth’ and claimed there were ‘no innocents’ there. Smotrich said it consisted of two million Nazis. These are two men who hold prominent positions in the government. It’s pretty unequivocal really.

Netanyahu said it on 28 October, he continued:

"We remember, and we are fighting … our soldiers are part of a legacy of Jewish warriors that goes back 3,000 years"

Amichai Eliyahu, Israeli Minister of Heritage, wrote on X:

"One of the options is to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza. I pray & hope for their [hostages] return, but there is also a price in war,"

Yoav Kisch, Israeli Minister of Education said:

"Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating the way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated,"

Revital Gottlieb, a member of the Israeli Knesset said:

"Bring down buildings!! Bomb without distinction!! Stop with this impotence. You have ability. There is worldwide legitimacy! Flatten Gaza. Without mercy! This time, there is no room for mercy!,"

I'm just elaborating on my earlier point, that the intention behind the invasion, seems to be to wipe out Gaza.

Biden has promised a further 1 Billion to assist.

No Biden has not offered to assist Israel to wipe out Gaza. That is simply factually incorrect.

Biden has committed further weapons to a State currently under investigation for genocide. Do you conclude from that, that he is acting in the best interests of the Palestinians?

Netanyahu should not have use that phrase. It’s not one I’m familiar with but I have no doubt it is a very loaded phrase and was used deliberately. Politicians who use inflammatory, provocative language are not interested in peace and justice and are not to be trusted. They are using division and conflict for their own ends