War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

I'll reserve judgment for now.

I think the Druze are a minority Shiite religion, separate from Islam. I say "think" as I'm cautious about saying anything.

So potentially a target. Happy to be corrected.

In any event I am very concerned about how this is escalating.

And reckless talk from the White House about Iran.

There leads absolute disaster.

Nobody's making excuses. Just trying to understand, as it makes little sense.

You're probably right. A misfire, didn't have the range for the intended target.

As for retaliation.. an impossible situation.

I dread to think where this is leading.

They aren’t muslim, they believe in reincarnation. Think there are various influences on their religious practice. Bit like how Islam has been influenced by christianity but muslims are not Christians iyswim.

Who would you consider to be an impartial observer?

I also don’t think it was on purpose, I think it was a screw up.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/28/global-leaders-try-to-dissuade-israel-from-increasing-attacks-on-lebanon

Yes, messages have been sent via third parties to try and temper the situation.
Hezbollah has authorised a full response to attacks by the IDF basically saying a civilian for a civilian, a soldier for a soldier and a city for a city.
America has sent a message saying they don't want a full scale war.
Iran has said if Lebanon is attacked they will respond.
Flights at Lebanons Airport are currently suspended.

So it's up to Netanyahu, who needs to respond to "save face", but if he responds too hard then Israel will be hit hard.

Please explain how the White House is 'bought and paid for'.

Druze are not a branch of Islam at all.
They do not support Hezbollah at all.

And i suspect the reason they Major shouted was not as suggested as they blame Israel and the war in Gaza, but more so that Israel hasn't already gone in and retaliated against Lebanon for past attacks on Golan.

Exactly Sharon.
So many people chime in with war bad, Israel bad, no USA without actually understanding the ME.

This needs to be stopped and you aren't dealing with people willing to negotiate.

Fortunately I don't think Hezbollah want Iran to control Lebanon atm as there is absolutely no way Israel, the USA, the Gulf countries rest of the world would allow Iran to control Lebanon.
But who knows with all this anti- war stuff?

If so, it'd be good night Israel, hello to Saudi Arabia and their secret alliances, Russia and an absolute monster of a war with absolutely no winners apart from the jihad aspects of the Islamic fundamentalists.

The Druze faith developed from Ismaili Shi'ism but is now generally considered to be distinct from Islam itself. That doesn't save people from persecution due to being linked with Islam, though. And, sadly, they've experienced persecution by Muslim groups too.

The US have given that 'tiny country' over $12 billion since October. That 'tiny country' is a nuclear power who according to themselves are one of the top 10 most powerful countries in the world, with the 4th strongest military.

I'm seeing so many pro Israel people online in the past few days crying about how Daddy Biden needs to fix Israels problems, acting like the US are sitting back doing nothing and leaving little tiny 4th strongest military, nuclear power Israel all alone forgetting about the billions they have handed over to someone who is likely going to be issued with an arrest warrant for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The same people who are expecting help for Israel are the ones who are perfectly happy with the US turning their back on probable war crimes committed by Israel. Do you want the US to turn a blind eye to the killing of innocent children or not? Make up your minds.

Yes, all the evidence seems to show it's Hezbollah and they're embarrassed they hit a Druze village. That's not unverified propaganda. It's pretty clear.

Hezbollah is backed by Iran and has its own motivations. Israel would be very foolish to get into a two front war, but its current leadership might be stupid enough for it.

Also please stop with "AIPAC buys the US government," it's antisemitic.

Finally, someone sees it!

I think also we have to be very clear Hezbollah has been shelling the shit out of the north of Israel since 8th October. BEFORE any response by Israel in Gaza. I don’t know how people keep managing to frame it as Israel as being the aggressor here.

Yes, Israel is incredibly successful as a nation & an econony. It has to be as its survival depends on it. Yes it has a lot of support from the United States for both moral and strategic reasons. Both these things are true & do not undermine each other. If all Israel's wealth, energy & investment went into protecting itself from its many agressors it wouldn't be so successful, would it? You can also support Israel's existence and its importance as a bulwark in the region while opposing the actions and strategy of a particular government at a particular time. Nations also broadly support other nations in various ways - it doesn't mean they interfere on a micro level.

I think because a lot of people only started paying attention once Israel responded to the 7 October attacks. And a lack of curiosity about for example why the Iron dome existed in the first place.

I don't think/hope this will go anywhere. Israel took on Hamas knowing that they could absolutely blitz Gaza with ease as they already had them trapped. They were a very easy target, so to speak.

Hezbollah are a different kettle of fish entirely, much bigger, much more powerful, backed more strongly by Iran, I think that if they do, there will be significantly more damage to Israel and Israeli citizens. I'm not sure even Netanyahu will go there, hopefully...

I find it really quite compelling, I mean people can just google it.

I think Israel took on Hamas because they suffered a major terrorist incident and had to respond. Again, there is the strange omission of what started all this in the first place. They didn’t just go “ah fuck it lets get into it with Hamas, nothing else to do today”.

I do agree that Hezbollah is much better manned and equipped but I would also point out that Hezbollah have been towing a very careful line to do just enough to annoy Israelis but not tip it over into all out war. So I wouldn’t be confident that they are so sure of themselves here either. Having said that the presidential election in the US will have an impact here. trump is disinterested in foreign affairs and despite his rep the man a dove, not for moral reasons, he just doesn’t like spending money on foreign anything. Harris is also likely to be restrained in support of Israel.

The cost to both Lebanon and Israel would be immense. I would hate to see anymore people dragged into this conflict, the casualties across the board are already awful.

Oh I completely agree @Flibflobflibflob Israel didn't take on Hamas just for something to do.

No, they were responding to the horrific attack, murders, rapes and abductions carried out on Israelis by Hamas on Oct 7.

But there is an Israeli policy called Mowing the Grass too which has gone on for long before Oct 7:

From Wikipedia
“Mowing the grass (Hebrew: כיסוח דשא) is a metaphor used to describe the strategy of Israelagainst Palestinian militants[1] in the Gaza Strip.[1][2]”

“The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shami to describe 'a patient military strategy of attrition with limited goals: to diminish their opponents' capacity to harm Israel, and to accomplish temporary deterrence – both of which are achieved through occasional large-scale operations, as seen with the three Gaza Wars and the Second Lebanon War (and epitomised by the "Dahiya doctrine"). Those who employ this strategy hope that, over time, the repeated achievement of these limited goals will drain the motivation of enemy fighters to harm Israel, and eventually cause the movement to fizzle out into obscurity.[3] These are usually carried out by conducting short, sharp military operations to maintain a certain level of control over the area without committing to a long-term political solution, similar to how one would mow a lawn to keep it neat and tidy.[4]”

@ScrollingLeaves because the threat (Hamas & other militant extremists) existed before October 7th.