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Conflict in the Middle East

Boycotting Israeli products/services

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the7Vabo · 18/06/2024 15:54

I’m trying my best to support the boycott. For those doing the same - what products/services are you using instead?

The hardest one for me has been giving up on going to Disney Paris next year. I had planned it as a joint birthday present, kids will be the perfect age. But I can’t stand in Disney with my kids knowing they support a regime killing kids.

Any good alternatives to Disney, or any other brand on the list?

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sparkleowl · 19/06/2024 10:40

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sparkleowl · 19/06/2024 10:41

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 10:36

Yes, I guess the dogs would have been hugely offended.

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😂

the7Vabo · 19/06/2024 10:43

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 10:35

I can only imagine the Tesco staff having a great laugh, at your expense. How utterly cringeworthy.

If they are it only shows their immaturity and lack of compassion. There are videos online of small children crushed under buildings in Gaza, of people being driven from one end of Gaza to other and bombed at both ends.

As another poster said people have always used boycotts as a form of protest. When I was a uni the shop didn’t sell Nestle products.

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ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 10:50

FillyourPothole · 18/06/2024 19:27

Because what the Israeli army are doing in Gaza is killing with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole.

Where's the intent?

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AutumnCrow · 19/06/2024 11:06

GingerbreadVanMan · 18/06/2024 20:51

customers most definitely can let their pharmacies know that they would like an alternative to Teva. People ask for specific brands all the time and as the pharmacy wants your custom they will listen.

Any customer can express a preference, but the majority of pharmacies are sent what they are sent by their designated wholesaler.

I have to avoid Teva levothyroxine because of a known allergy to one its excipients. Levothyroxine is an essential medicine. A number of well-known pharmacy chains - all the nearest pharmacies to me, in fact - frequently only have Teva brand available, and can only say to me, 'Take it or leave it'. They can't order what their wholesaler doesn't stock.

In contrast, there are essential Teva medications, such as blood pressure meds, that don't contain the allergen, whereas other brands do.

That's the reality. Being on multiple medications with the now frequent swapping between brands and generics that pharmacies do - as approved by ICBs - is really draining for unwell customers/patients, especially during a time of medication shortages. Not everyone's able to repeatedly drive around from pharmacy to pharmacy seeking out multiple medicines and brands (and even then you might not be successful).

Expressing a preference doesn't supply essential medications to the patient. I would like to think that no-one vulnerable is feeling pressured to refuse Teva, although I understand the principles of boycott.

It may be more productive to analyse how and why Teva became the largest manufacturer of generic drugs in the world and why ICBs and pharmacies in England are so dependent on them. And would the boycott also apply to shareholders like Pfizer, including its epilepsy, oncology and antiparasitic drugs? It's a complex area. It's not carrots and Disney.

Buntycat · 19/06/2024 11:12

TowerStork · 19/06/2024 08:30

That's a pretty unique concept of international relations you have there. Governments represent states. States not governments are party to treaties and international agreements (including human rights laws) so it is states that are condemned for breaching agreements.

Moreover, regarding boycotting by individuals, Israelis are fond of describing their country as a democracy: "the only democracy in the middle East". In a democracy, unlike an authoritatian states, there is an assumed link between the people and the governments they vote for.

In other words Israelis have more responsibility for their government than Chinese people do for theirs.

And in 2006 the Palestinians voted in Hamas. (The Hamas founding charter calling for the murder of all Jews didn’t seem to worry them.)

Dulra · 19/06/2024 11:36

the7Vabo · 19/06/2024 10:43

If they are it only shows their immaturity and lack of compassion. There are videos online of small children crushed under buildings in Gaza, of people being driven from one end of Gaza to other and bombed at both ends.

As another poster said people have always used boycotts as a form of protest. When I was a uni the shop didn’t sell Nestle products.

Think we probably went to the same uni 😁

Dulra · 19/06/2024 11:39

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Also it is was in Ireland the idea of boycotting was first practiced and the word used. It was a very effective form of peaceful protest then and now

The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and derives from Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in County Mayo, Ireland. Captain Boycott was the target of social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott#:~:text=The%20word%20boycott%20entered%20the,Irish%20Land%20League%20in%201880.

Boycott - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott#:~:text=The%20word%20boycott%20entered%20the,Irish%20Land%20League%20in%201880.

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 19/06/2024 13:23

@ByMellowPlumBiscuit actually, while I can't speak for the packers who do my shopping, I've had two Tesco drivers comment very positively on the note I have on my order. One said he hoped more people would do this to leave the Israeli produce rotting on the shelves and force Tesco to stop stocking it.

sparkleowl · 19/06/2024 13:34

Buntycat · 19/06/2024 11:12

And in 2006 the Palestinians voted in Hamas. (The Hamas founding charter calling for the murder of all Jews didn’t seem to worry them.)

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It may be worrying them now they can see what hamas have brought down on them.
Gaza is going to have to have a very different governing body once Israel withdraw their troops.

sparkleowl · 19/06/2024 13:37

Haven’t seen any evidence of fruit and veg rotting on Tesco shelves or any other shelves either.
Boycotts like this only make the boycotter feel good about themselves, nothing more.

the7Vabo · 19/06/2024 13:43

AutumnCrow · 19/06/2024 11:06

Any customer can express a preference, but the majority of pharmacies are sent what they are sent by their designated wholesaler.

I have to avoid Teva levothyroxine because of a known allergy to one its excipients. Levothyroxine is an essential medicine. A number of well-known pharmacy chains - all the nearest pharmacies to me, in fact - frequently only have Teva brand available, and can only say to me, 'Take it or leave it'. They can't order what their wholesaler doesn't stock.

In contrast, there are essential Teva medications, such as blood pressure meds, that don't contain the allergen, whereas other brands do.

That's the reality. Being on multiple medications with the now frequent swapping between brands and generics that pharmacies do - as approved by ICBs - is really draining for unwell customers/patients, especially during a time of medication shortages. Not everyone's able to repeatedly drive around from pharmacy to pharmacy seeking out multiple medicines and brands (and even then you might not be successful).

Expressing a preference doesn't supply essential medications to the patient. I would like to think that no-one vulnerable is feeling pressured to refuse Teva, although I understand the principles of boycott.

It may be more productive to analyse how and why Teva became the largest manufacturer of generic drugs in the world and why ICBs and pharmacies in England are so dependent on them. And would the boycott also apply to shareholders like Pfizer, including its epilepsy, oncology and antiparasitic drugs? It's a complex area. It's not carrots and Disney.

Im sorry you are unwell, and I agree I wouldn’t want anyone unwell feeling under pressure. I don’t think any reasonable person expects anyone to sacrifice essential medication.

I also agree it’s a complex area, indeed I’m sure a lot to do with pharma is.

However, I feel your tone is somewhat scornful - almost oh look at you with your luxury healthy life only worrying about Disney and carrots.

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the7Vabo · 19/06/2024 13:46

sparkleowl · 19/06/2024 13:37

Haven’t seen any evidence of fruit and veg rotting on Tesco shelves or any other shelves either.
Boycotts like this only make the boycotter feel good about themselves, nothing more.

Many posters have set out evidence of boycotts having an impact.

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the7Vabo · 19/06/2024 13:47

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 19/06/2024 13:23

@ByMellowPlumBiscuit actually, while I can't speak for the packers who do my shopping, I've had two Tesco drivers comment very positively on the note I have on my order. One said he hoped more people would do this to leave the Israeli produce rotting on the shelves and force Tesco to stop stocking it.

Good for him and you.

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ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 13:50

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 19/06/2024 13:23

@ByMellowPlumBiscuit actually, while I can't speak for the packers who do my shopping, I've had two Tesco drivers comment very positively on the note I have on my order. One said he hoped more people would do this to leave the Israeli produce rotting on the shelves and force Tesco to stop stocking it.

Well, if that's really the case:

  1. that's unprofessional and biased
  2. they are telling you what you want to hear.
Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 13:50

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 19/06/2024 13:23

@ByMellowPlumBiscuit actually, while I can't speak for the packers who do my shopping, I've had two Tesco drivers comment very positively on the note I have on my order. One said he hoped more people would do this to leave the Israeli produce rotting on the shelves and force Tesco to stop stocking it.

And then they all clapped

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 13:53

Sunshineonasameyday · 19/06/2024 13:50

And then they all clapped

Clapped and then told the next customer, who bought the Israeli produce, that they were the freshest produce, out there 😆

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 13:56

So the products were pulled, for commercial reasons, along with many others, no doubt. Got it.

ConnieCounter · 19/06/2024 14:04

If @HelpAGirlOut1234 is in Ireland then her story is believable as there is overwhelming support for Palestine here.

I'm in Ireland and my pharmacist says a huge number of people have refused Teva products. Boycotting Israeli products isn't a new thing and it's not unusual - not here anyway - so the smart comments aren't really warranted.

Dulra · 19/06/2024 14:22

ByMellowPlumBiscuit · 19/06/2024 13:50

Well, if that's really the case:

  1. that's unprofessional and biased
  2. they are telling you what you want to hear.
  1. Wasn't aware Tesco staff have signed up to any impartiality agreement 🤔
  2. Or they are agreeing with her because they agree with her
Bumble6 · 19/06/2024 14:27

Isn't boycotting everything from Israel a form of collective punishment though? Because you don't agree with what their government is doing you are trying to harm their economy and therefore the people? Campaigning to stop arms being sold to them I can understand

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