All Eyes on Rafah

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It’s just beyond awful. The idf have dropped leaflets telling Palestinians to move. There is no where for them to go. This is beyond awful. More children will be blown apart, more families destroyed and all for what? Sick beyond what I ever imagined.

The idf have no plan apart from indiscriminate killing.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1789316577482989829?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/kahlissee/status/1789184916670013731?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/drtruthe/status/1789311217259139492?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog - this image is very disturbing. I don’t want to upset anyone. The people who really need to see it are those still defending the actions of Israel. And I can show them thousands more images if they think this is an unfortunate isolated incident. This is what idf WANT to do. It is the purpose of the bombs.

I want to add my voice as someone who is not pro Palestinian ( or pro Israeli)
“their mindset is different from ours”
We all have a multiplicity of different “mindsets“- that has been demonstrated on these boards. You are implying Palestinians’ mindset are all the same and somehow inferior to the collective “mindset” of the group you belong to. It’s a dangerous and misguided way of thinking.

The Israeli government's mindset does appear to be very different from mine, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions.

Having said that I’m also deeply suspicious of the groupthink in the UK that means that
left identifying people are happy to silence anyone drawing attention to the suffering of Israeli hostages . Anyone who cannot empathise with their suffering cannot tell others to empathise with Palestinians.

Comments like this and others on this thread is why the general UK population is turning its back to Israel.
edited to add UK

I agree with you that the comments quoted were horrible. And I agree that the Israeli government response is inhumane. I don’t agree that the general UK population is turning its back on Israel. I think the UK ( and the Irish) population is more mixed than social media would have you believe and generalisations are often an attempt to persuade people to think a certain way ( which is why I object to the idea of a “Palestinian mindset” … or a “British or Irish mindset “)

It’s interesting that in a thread dedicated to the Israeli brutalities in Rafah, you attempt to deflect and redirect attention to 7/10.

Theres a place for it but it isn’t on a thread about Palestinian suffering.

Yes - it is indeed interesting

Maybe it’s not an appropriate post here. I accept that. But I’m conscious that horror and sympathy for the civilians in Gaza can turn into a dismissal of the suffering of the hostages. I have seen dreadful things said by both sides on these threads.
I’ve also seen pro Palestinian posters ( @Scirocco particularly) make a real effort to show that she cares about the hostages and doesn’t view all Jews as culpable . I think that is all I was trying to do. I definitely wasn’t trying to minimise. Honestly.

It's not from social media, it's from polls which show overwhelming opposition to Israel's actions.
And the small sample of my everyday interactions. More and more people are talking it about freely and that only happens when people feel the majority will agree with them and feel safe in their views.
Not that there should be anything controversial in expressing a view against the Israeli army killing all these people, destroying their homes and lives.

I’m not going to disagree with any of that.

I think it’s a “know the right place” kind of thing. If I waltzed into a hostage thread and said “yeah but Palestinian babies are dying, if you can’t sympathise with that then why should you expect anyone to care about hostages”, I’d expect to be castigated. Rightly so.

There is a trend out there by pro-Israelis to attempt to deflect any criticism of Israel by saying “but hostages”. And to expect pro-Gazans to lead with a disclaimer of “of course the hostages have my sympathy but I think xyz in Gaza was awful”. It’s very wearying in all honesty and if I’m honest with you, it always feels disingenuous by them - they don’t actually care about the hostages in that moment beyond using them as a point scoring mechanism.

We don’t have to guess what people think - there are loads of polls showing what support there is in both countries.

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news/almost-80-of-irish-people-support-palestine-as-protest-to-take-place-in-the-city/

https://www.amnesty.ie/israeli-apartheid-poll/#:~:text=Amnesty%20International%20Ireland-,New%20poll%20shows%20an%20overwhelming%20majority%20of%20Irish%20people%20believe,under%20an%20Israeli%20apartheid%20system&text=New%20polling%20shows%20that%2071,implemented%20against%20them%20by%20Israel.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49366-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-may-2024-update

it always feels disingenuous by them - they don’t actually care about the hostages in that moment beyond using them as a point scoring mechanism.

Very disingenuous. Particularly as the Israeli government don’t seem to care very much about the hostages.

I’ve not read one post on here that suggests all Jews are culpable for Gaza. Of course they aren’t.

Ok - fair enough. You win. Your side has more support. I’ve no problem with that AT ALL. Just don’t use that support to minimise the suffering of the hostages or to ignore the bullying of Jewish people.

( Obviously by “you” I mean a collective “you”. I assume you are a reasonable person)

I’m definitely on the side of peace and so it seems that most people are. I am not minimising the suffering the hostages at all. Where on earth have I done that? Nor have a bullied any Jewish people.

No - I didn’t mean you personally…
But anyone who reads these threads will know that it happens.
Anyway - I’m genuinely not trying to derail from the issue of the situation in Gaza . So let’s move on

But see again, this was unnecessary. What was the point of this comment, if not to redirect from the thrust of the thread?

I’m not ashamed to say I focus more on the suffering of the Gazans - because personally I see them as suffering far more in this ‘war’ - but you can feel more strongly for one side and still recognise that Jewish people globally are afraid and that hostages are suffering (if they’re alive at all at this point). And that Muslims around the globe are frightened of repercussions too.

Yes … I don’t disagree. ( I’ll get my coat and creep away )

https://x.com/onlinepaleng/status/1794492954855264517?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

This video shows what appears to be an Israeli soldier using an old Palestinian man as a human shield.

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1794506603409842188

It looks like Hamas killed/captured up to 16 Israeli Elite soldiers ($100,000 to train each one).

So bombing likely to intensify.

@BelleHathor Yes, you were right, terrible scenes now (don’t feel that you have to watch these, as always the main people who need to are those still in support of Israeli military action, and those who think it’s a war of two equal sides, rather than a sophisticated military persecuting people who have lost everything and are trying to take care of their families in tents)

”Graphic | Horrific footage is unfolding of the Israeli massacre of displaced Palestinians, with 8 missiles targeting the displacement camp at a UNRWA site in Rafah, despite Israel claiming it is "safe."

Civil Defense to Al Jazeera: We believe that the occupation army used internationally prohibited weapons to target the displaced in Rafah, judging by the size of the fires that erupted at the targeted site.”

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1794817334428803453?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://x.com/afcq1954/status/1794819108162408892?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog extremely graphic 💔💔💔

https://x.com/malsaafin/status/1794805990812180969?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog this is literally looking like hell on earth. How can anyone be supporting this?

Poor baby killed (in self defence, no doubt) https://x.com/yousefalsweisi/status/1794820481167827172?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

I havent watched the videos above but I saw the most hideous video on Instagram from Rafah just now. Hell on earth doesn't even come close. Israel are disgusting terrorists.