Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

[TwilightSkies]

Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

Does anyone give a shit about Sudan ? Just curious.

Its the way you started your argument that I take offence to. Just because you have taught people from different ethnic backgrounds doesn’t give you a right to justify a genocide.

Also if you read further up I have replied to your argument citing Haaretz and CNN. I also have other verifiable sources. Where are your sources?

Very interesting article. Thanks.

Make a thread and find out. Why post that here?

Thanks. The first paragraph shows that he swallows IDF propaganda hook, line and sinker so I couldn't stomach reading the rest. This guy thinks that the Al Shifa massacre was reasonable and that the IDF brought doctors to help patients! I mean, the IDF went in and killed doctors and patients. Maybe he was confused.

Also this is his pinned tweet: https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1763220964752380329?t=lh1E0N76f9FjSOQdbe83Ig&s=19

He's not a neutral actor.

I do. Do you?

This is a thread about the ongoing massacre of people in Rafah. Show some respect. If you have something to say about a different conflict start a thread about it and stop goading us here. This situation is very upsetting for those of us who care about Palestinian people.

I was missing the Sudan card in this thread. It’s taken a while to appear. @NecessaryNC24 this is the thread about rafah. It’s been repeated multiple times that if you want to talk about other conflicts then open a thread and then people will talk about it.

Also, I'm sure this point was made earlier in the thread but it's worth repeating. When Iran attacked Israel people were concerned and spoke with such respect about those who may be affected.

The lack of respect for those who are stuck in Rafah while the place is attacked by Israel on this thread is actually turning my stomach. People are dying - children, women - people I would have thought "mums" would have some compassion for. But there's no compassion from some posters. Only goading, glib comments, whataboutery, lies.

If you can't show respect for those who are living in Rafah you don't have to post here. Twitter exists.

@ConnieCounter ,

I didn’t post it as the unvarnished truth, did I? In fact I qualified it. I do think it sad that you didn’t read it though. I try and carefully read both sides, even though some things make me feel uncomfortable.

But what is your expertise in urban warfare and what sources are you using for the ‘truth’. Are they totally factual and unbiased?

I don't swallow IDF lies wholesale, no. Anyone who does, like that guy, isn't worth wasting my time on.

This a million times. The dehumanisation of Palestinian people like another poster said ‘collateral damage’ is sickening.

I find your phrasing here interesting, it's something the tabloids seem to do as well. Pro Israel and Anti Israel. Not Pro Palestinian, anti Israel and it's never Pro Palestinian and Anti Palestinian.

Do you think that by choosing the phrasing that you did you are also adding to the polarisation of this debate? I kind of feel like it erases Palestinians completely from it. It becomes all about Israel, not the Palestinian people and their rights and peoples very valid concerns for the Palestinian people.

You do not speak for me and I do not feel goaded by the question about Sudan.

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Judging by your previous posts I wouldn't expect you to.

If this is true, it’s heartbreaking. The only crossing that Palestinians could use to legally flee and cross into Egypt.

@TextureSeeker ,

‘I find your phrasing here interesting, it's something the tabloids seem to do as well. Pro Israel and Anti Israel. Not Pro Palestinian, anti Israel and it's never Pro Palestinian and Anti Palestinian. ‘

Maybe I am showing hidden bias. I don’t think so, but none of us know our subconscious biases.

OTOH, I don’t like the way both sides seem to conflate Palestinians with Hamas to make opposite arguments. On the Israeli side, this becomes it is fine to do anything we like in Gaza as Hamas attacked us. On the other side the argument is that Israel have no right to attack Gaza as the Palestinians are an oppressed minority and thus have no right to go after Hamas in any meaningful way, almost as is October 7th never happened.

The aim, surely, for all civilised people is a prosperous peaceful Israel living next door to prosperous peaceful areas inhabited by Palestinians with free move,ent between them, ideally trading with each other and enriching one another. I don’t personally believe Hamas is any part of this equation.

Thank you.

I have been sent articles by military historians saying that the IDF is fighting one of the most targeted and merciful wars given the nature of the terrain and enemy (urban theatre and Hamas using civilians as human shields). They cite the ratio of military to civilian dead and compare it to past battles.

Do statistics back this claim up?
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-213

Palestinian fatalities 35,735
>9,500 women
>14,500 children

That leaves about 10,000 men

Israel is claiming in excess of 13,000 Hamas fighters killed.

Normally one would expect 69 - 81% of war fatalities to be male. The indirect effects of war do also kill women but their deaths tend to follow later.

So I uninclined to believe the ratio provided.

Indeed the ratio is the sort of ratio one would expect if a random bomb was dropped on Swindon one night.

The aim, surely, for all civilised people is a prosperous peaceful Israel living next door to prosperous peaceful areas inhabited by Palestinians with free move,ent between them, ideally trading with each other and enriching one another. I don’t personally believe Hamas is any part of this equation

Did this exist before Hamas? Is it likely to after Hamas?

Yes it will.

When a Palestinian state is established and it will prosper.

It looks like not, not a mention in the news.
But we do know that there are ethnic troubles, sexual abuse and slavery, lots of people displaced and a large number of deaths. But it very rarely makes it to the press here in UK.

I think the Palestinians need a state with control of their own resources @Newbutoldfather Inhabiting an area which is not their own state does not seem to improve peace and prosperity. You seem to have mentioned an Israel but not a Palestine?