Does hamas regret 7th October now?

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1 Links below November 23 and current story.

2 Hamas spokesman now wants to form government and lay down arms?

3 Do they regret 7th November or looking for way hamas officials can keep power?

4 Earlier story said no regret?

Link for early story

https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-goal-october-7-attack-israel-gaza-war-2023-11

Recent hamas leader comments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/25/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders/0d77738a-02bc-11ef-8eac-39c6dcb59eb5_story.html

I think it is irrelevant what they think, they have committed atrocities the backlash of which has virtually destroyed Gaza and it is so hard to see where Gaza can go from here and how they can rebuild. Hamas must have no part in the future of Gaza if there is one.

Hamas knew what the Israeli response would be - so did anyone with half a brain cell tbh. So of course they have no regrets. They almost certainly banked on this response, if not hoped for it, because they thought more of their terrorist allies (in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen etc) would support them against Israel.

They took a gamble, knowing the risks, and it backfired.

@Devilshands

Did it backfire? Everyone wants a solution, if they appear interested they can to hold onto power.

@Devilshands if backfired in only some other terrorist organisations helping them out. It didn't cause total war in ME.

Saudi, Qatar, Egypt more friendly and accepting of Israel as deserving their own state.

@Dulra

They aren't going anywhere and not defeated. Who's going to remove them.

They are being forcibly removed at the moment and I would imagine for any peace negotiations to have any hope of working there will be clauses about who is left in charge of Gaza and also Israel. I don't think Netanyahu's government can stay either.

Hamas knew what the Israeli response would be

I don't think anyone knew or could predict how their response has been. Yes they were going to fight back but it has gone so beyond that now even Hamas couldn't have known

This. I think it's also possible that Hamas have been noticing the decrease in influence the West has in the area and increased influence Iran has and was perhaps hedging their bets for wider support

@Dulra yes both Hamas and Netanyahu need gone.

Dulra

I don't think anyone knew or could predict how their response has been. Yes they were going to fight back but it has gone so beyond that now even Hamas couldn't have known”

Absolutely this. The response of the Israeli Government has been beyond insane.

I agree with this, there's always the next generation growing up with hatred for Israel, I really don't believe any terrorist organisation is truly defeated

Hamas has said the response has been exactly what they hoped it would be and the results are what was desired.

When did Hamas say that please?

Before or after over 100,000 people were killed or injured and 60% of homes lost?

And the famine too?

AFTER (Various news agencies, AP, Al Jazeera, Reuters, etc - do your own searches):
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”

Clearly they don't want aid brought in:
Al-Hayya threatened that Hamas would attack Israeli or other forces who might be stationed around a floating pier the U.S. is scrambling to build along Gaza’s coastline to deliver aid by sea.

In an interview Al-Hayya said:
Hamas does not regret the Oct. 7 attacks, despite the destruction it has brought down on Gaza and its people.

AND:
Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas's political bureau, praised the brutal attack the group carried out in Israel on October 7 and said if given the opportunity, they would carry out similar assaults repeatedly in the future with the goal of eliminating Israel.

@SOBplus the only one of your quotes with a date on it is the first one which is 23rd October 2023

So I'd call that pretty much well BEFORE the massive loss of life/destruction and famine

But thanks anyway

Keep supporting terrorists! He has REPEATED the statement in December and again in early 2024.

But thanks - maybe try doing your own searches/updating.

I'm not sure even they quite expected such a prolonged onslaught from Israel, though obviously they wanted to provoke a strong reaction or else they might have just, say, taken lots of hostages, rather than the appalling murder and savagery that occured and they made sure to record and broadcast to the world. They certainly didn't just expect to negotiate.

I do suspect, knowing Netanyahu's tendencies, the aim of Hamas was to provoke a response so horrific it would make Israel a pariah state and delegitimise it across much of the world, and of course Netanyahu walked right into and exceeded anyone's expectation. So both Hamas and Netanyahu have succeeded in bringing that about, tragically.

I'm Jewish and my first thought on hearing about the attacks on Israel, even before the final casualty figures and details or how dreadful the Hamas attacks were, was 'Oh my God, Netanyahu's response is going to be horrendous'.

I agree with all of this. It was a trap, and Netanyahu jumped right into it. We now have pro Palestinian demonstrations all over the US and Europe and Israel looks like blood thirsty monsters.

@SOBplus accusing someone of supporting terrorists seems a rather extreme response to that person simply saying some of the quotations provided were undated.

Accusations of that nature aren't just potentially hurtful, they can have real-world consequences. In the UK, for example, it is a criminal offence to support a proscribed terrorist organisation. In some places, a rumour of supporting such an organisation can lead to violence. It might feel like we're all anonymous on the internet, but we aren't really.

If someone has made a post with which you disagree, or you feel unfairly criticised, you could, rather than jumping to extremes, try discussing or challenging what was written. If you feel something breaches Talk Guidelines, there's a 'report post' option for that.

@RamblingAroundTheInternet I see you've found that there's a board on the site for Muslims - I hope that, if you are choosing to read and contribute there, you can bear in mind that it's intended to be a safe space for Muslim posters.

I've not seen anything in this thread that suggests supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation. In relation to the question about when Hamas made statements, I don't think that's an irrelevant question or one that suggests supporting them - the timing of statements, particularly if there is a suggestion from those statements of a change in position, is something to consider when, for example, thinking about whether or not such a change is genuine. In the immediate aftermath of October 7th, Hamas statements were all about bravado and not having any regrets. Where do any shifts in that position sit in the timeline of what's happened/happening to Gaza? It sounds like they're now saying "oh, we'll respect previously agreed borders, you can trust us to be peaceful as part of whatever government there is". Yeah, I'm not particularly convinced that their intentions would be good here. For starters, rather than being in a government, many of the key figures need to be in prison. Also, what would stop some of these people from just changing their minds again once they feel safe again.

The pathway to peace often involves hard choices, but I really don't think people who want to wipe out a neighbouring population should be relied upon to behave themselves in government, especially when they've already shown what they're willing to do.

I'm pretty sure hamas are sitting back watching those muppets marching and protesting at universities and rubbing their hands with glee

Mission accomplished.