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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede

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Yellowducksandrakes · 01/03/2024 16:17

What’s happened: Following the death of dozens of Palestinians after a stampede broke out around an aid convoy west of Gaza City, the US has blocked an Algerian-sponsored statement at the United Nations Security Council which sought to blame Israel.

  • While reports conflict, it appears that:
  • Before dawn yesterday morning, approximately 30 trucks containing aid entered the Gaza Strip to deliver food to the Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City.
  • At approximately 4.40 AM, thousands of Gazans swarmed the trucks. Drone footage of the event shows some of the trucks attempting to drive through the crowds, presumably in an effort to extract themselves and deliver the aid they were carrying.
  • After a number of trucks were able to continue north, armed men opened fire on what remained of the convoy.
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.
  • The IDF also says that it “did not fire toward individuals seeking aid and we did not fire toward the humanitarian convoy from the ground nor from the air.”
  • It is being reported that at least 112 Gazans were killed in this incident, with approximately 760 being injured. However, as these figures originate from within the Hamas-run Palestinian Ministry of Health, their veracity is questionable.
  • The IDF’s initial inquiry into the incident has concluded its troops’ fire killed only 7 or 8 people and that the majority were killed in the chaos, not by shooting.
  • “The tanks were there to provide security for the trucks. Our aircraft gave the troops on the ground a full picture from above,” the IDF said.
  • “When the hundreds turned into thousands, the IDF complied with international law… Israel did not limit the quantity of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. We recognize the suffering of the Gaza residents.”
  • In the aftermath of this event, much of the international community has reiterated calls for an immediate ceasefire and increased aid being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
  • At the United Nations Security Council, Algeria sought to issue a statement which explicitly blamed Israel for this deadly incident. While supported by 14 out of 15 council members, it was blocked by the US.
  • When asked why the US had not supported this statement, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Robert Wood said: “We don’t have all the facts on the ground – that’s the problem.”
  • He also said that in the face of contradictory reports, the US was trying to establish facts, including regarding the “circumstances around how people died”.
  • President Biden has also discussed this incident with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. According to a White House statement, they agreed that it “underscored the urgency of bringing negotiations to a close as soon as possible”.
  • The White House has also called for this event to be “thoroughly investigated”.
Context: Israel will conduct a thorough investigation into an incident which further highlights the complexity of distributing aid to the Gazan people and the urgent necessity of forming a civilian infrastructure to prevent further incidents of this kind.
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stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 17:12

Sorry link wouldn't work. Had to do screenshot.

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
EasterIssland · 03/03/2024 20:03

They don’t learn

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede
stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 20:38

Neither do they?

www.instagram.com/reel/C4EMLrhNayU/?igsh=MWY5OWltMnM3c2hqbA==

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 20:41

So childish 🙄

stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 20:52

Doesn't fit with your narrative?

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 20:55

stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 20:52

Doesn't fit with your narrative?

No I think that whataboutery in defence of Israel MURDERING people who are trying to access food because they're being starved to death by Israel is absolutely depraved.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 20:59

Hamas stealing the food meant for them is pretty depraved too.

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 21:02

I don't know what that news source is so I'm not going to comment on it.

If you are comfortable defending a state that is starving millions of people to death and then massacring them when they try to access food then I've nothing more to say to you. As I've said before I try not to engage with those who deny and defend genocide.

EasterIssland · 03/03/2024 21:03

US envoy: Israel hasn’t provided ‘specific evidence’ Hamas is stealing aid shipmentsBut David Satterfield says terror group using delivery channels to 'shape where and to whom assistance goes,' adds police escorting aid trucks 'certainly include Hamas elements'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-israel-hasnt-provided-specific-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-shipments/amp/

i agree with you @ConnieCounter , if Hamas was stealing the aid then idf should make sure that the aid is delivered rather than killing Palestinians

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:27

@ConnieCounter If you're studiously avoiding Hamas' culpability in all of this then you're in no position to point fingers.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:29

if Hamas was stealing the aid then idf should make sure that the aid is delivered rather than killing Palestinians

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1764384359555948877

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1764384359555948877

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 21:30

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:27

@ConnieCounter If you're studiously avoiding Hamas' culpability in all of this then you're in no position to point fingers.

Well I'm not doing that. If you read my comment I said I'm not familiar with the source so I can't comment on it.

Anyway I'm sick of you and other posters But Hamasing heinous war crimes so I don't want to talk to you because I can't bear to listen to you.

stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 21:30

So there is footage of Hamas stealing aid.
US have confirmed that they are involved.
Egyptian drivers have been murdered.

So you are happy with the IDF to get rid of those threatening aid delivery in order to get it delivered?

Cherryon · 03/03/2024 21:31

stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 20:38

They deliberately blurred out the surroundings so the location cannot be verified. They said they did it in the video subtitles.

Why release proof of Hamas stealing aid and then blur out the most essential part of that proof? Can’t even verify the video was taken in Gaza during recent months.

I am not saying Hamas doesn’t steal some aid, but why release proof that you have deliberately doctored in a way such that it proves nothing? Very dodgy.

stomachamelon · 03/03/2024 21:32

@ConnieCounter so it baffles you that the terrorist organisation sitting on top of aid might effect the delivery of aid.

'But Hamas' when it means their own people are starving. What would you like the IDF to do?

PeasfullPerson · 03/03/2024 21:33

Imagine believing that in order to achieve peace it’s necessary to kill over 30,000 people, of whom over 12,000 are children.

Imagine believing it’s Ok to internally displace over 85% of a population because a terrorist group launched a barbaric attack on your own population.

Imagine trying to hold the moral high ground after destroying health services and creating a situation in which children die of malnutrition and disease.

Imagine supporting this!

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:33

Anyway I'm sick of you and other posters But Hamasing heinous war crimes so I don't want to talk to you because I can't bear to listen to you.

This is a discussion forum though. We're both perfectly entitled to contribute to the conversation.

PeasfullPerson · 03/03/2024 21:34

Imagine showing up on here everyday to defend the actions I listed above!

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 21:34

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:33

Anyway I'm sick of you and other posters But Hamasing heinous war crimes so I don't want to talk to you because I can't bear to listen to you.

This is a discussion forum though. We're both perfectly entitled to contribute to the conversation.

And I'm entitled not to engage with those holding what I believe are deplorable opinions.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:35

@PeasfullPerson it would have been easy enough for Hamas not to start a war by committing a terrorist atrocity. Yes I'm going to keep But Hamasing as long as it's relevant.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:36

And I'm entitled not to engage with those holding what I believe are deplorable opinions.

I'm not sure why you keep replying to me then.

PeasfullPerson · 03/03/2024 21:37

For goodness sake @SomeCatFromJapan Hamas have been denounced for their actions. Can you denounce the Israeli government and the IDF for theirs? Shame on you if you can’t.

ConnieCounter · 03/03/2024 21:37

I keep asking you to leave me alone and you won't.

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:39

I keep asking you to leave me alone and you won't.

I don't mind having a discussion with you though. You're the one that doesn't want to talk to me, so I suggest you ignore me. I might respond to some of your posts if I feel I have a relevant point to make.

Cherryon · 03/03/2024 21:40

SomeCatFromJapan · 03/03/2024 21:29

if Hamas was stealing the aid then idf should make sure that the aid is delivered rather than killing Palestinians

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1764384359555948877

277 trucks on one day is too little even if it were 277 every day since October 7th.

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