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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF statement on Aid Convoy Stampede

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Yellowducksandrakes · 01/03/2024 16:17

What’s happened: Following the death of dozens of Palestinians after a stampede broke out around an aid convoy west of Gaza City, the US has blocked an Algerian-sponsored statement at the United Nations Security Council which sought to blame Israel.

  • While reports conflict, it appears that:
  • Before dawn yesterday morning, approximately 30 trucks containing aid entered the Gaza Strip to deliver food to the Rimal neighbourhood of Gaza City.
  • At approximately 4.40 AM, thousands of Gazans swarmed the trucks. Drone footage of the event shows some of the trucks attempting to drive through the crowds, presumably in an effort to extract themselves and deliver the aid they were carrying.
  • After a number of trucks were able to continue north, armed men opened fire on what remained of the convoy.
  • While the IDF has admitted that its troops did open fire, it says that this was only “when they encountered danger, when the mob moved toward it in a manner that endangered the force”.
  • The IDF also says that it “did not fire toward individuals seeking aid and we did not fire toward the humanitarian convoy from the ground nor from the air.”
  • It is being reported that at least 112 Gazans were killed in this incident, with approximately 760 being injured. However, as these figures originate from within the Hamas-run Palestinian Ministry of Health, their veracity is questionable.
  • The IDF’s initial inquiry into the incident has concluded its troops’ fire killed only 7 or 8 people and that the majority were killed in the chaos, not by shooting.
  • “The tanks were there to provide security for the trucks. Our aircraft gave the troops on the ground a full picture from above,” the IDF said.
  • “When the hundreds turned into thousands, the IDF complied with international law… Israel did not limit the quantity of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. We recognize the suffering of the Gaza residents.”
  • In the aftermath of this event, much of the international community has reiterated calls for an immediate ceasefire and increased aid being allowed into the Gaza Strip.
  • At the United Nations Security Council, Algeria sought to issue a statement which explicitly blamed Israel for this deadly incident. While supported by 14 out of 15 council members, it was blocked by the US.
  • When asked why the US had not supported this statement, Deputy Ambassador to the United Nations Robert Wood said: “We don’t have all the facts on the ground – that’s the problem.”
  • He also said that in the face of contradictory reports, the US was trying to establish facts, including regarding the “circumstances around how people died”.
  • President Biden has also discussed this incident with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. According to a White House statement, they agreed that it “underscored the urgency of bringing negotiations to a close as soon as possible”.
  • The White House has also called for this event to be “thoroughly investigated”.
Context: Israel will conduct a thorough investigation into an incident which further highlights the complexity of distributing aid to the Gazan people and the urgent necessity of forming a civilian infrastructure to prevent further incidents of this kind.
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Dulra · 15/03/2024 08:42

@Yellowducksandrakes What are you trying to achieve here? I am listening to mainstream news, I am listening to the UN, EU, ICJ, WHO, Red Cross, Medicins San Frontier and their reports on what is happening and their reports about people starving, and the death toll of babies that have already starved to death. No one with any brain would think delivering aid to a starving desperate population in a war zone isn't chaotic, isn't difficult will sometimes be exploited and get into the wrongs hands so I am unsure why you need to post all these clips from facebook and youtube in response to my post about people being killed trying to get aid?
The fact remains people trying to get access to aid are being killed and injured, the IDF do not have a proper handle on the situation and people are dying as a result

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 08:52

@Dulra and I'd add to your list Israel's main ally the Biden administration - it's not a fringe partisan opinion

Yesterday people in Gaza City reported being too frightened to approach aid convoys for fear of being shot by the IDF - as if they haven't got enough to deal with

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 10:04

@Dulra "so I am unsure why you need to post all these clips from facebook and youtube in response to my post about people being killed trying to get aid?"

It does appear that some people have been killed when trying to collect aid.

What isn't clear is who's actually collecting/looting the aid and who's doing the shooting.

"the IDF do not have a proper handle on the situation and people are dying as a result"
Unless you are privy to the IDF's operational plans you can't claim that.

One piece of good news you might like to hear-

Ahead of any potential ground incursion into Rafah, the IDF recently carried out a precise targeted strike, killing Muhammad Abu Hasna, the head of Hamas’ Operations Unit in the Rafah area.
According to the IDF spokesperson’s office, “Hasna was a combat support operative in Hamas’ military wing. He was also involved in taking control of humanitarian aid and distributing it to Hamas terrorists.
Furthermore, Hasna coordinated the activities of various Hamas units, as well as communicated with and activated Hamas field operatives. Hasna was also responsible for an intelligence operations room which provides information on IDF positions for use in Hamas attacks.”

Hopefully, now there should be fewer raids by Hamas on Aid deliveries.

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Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 10:05

@Efacsen "Yesterday people in Gaza City reported being too frightened to approach aid convoys for fear of being shot by the IDF "

reported to whom ?

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Efacsen · 15/03/2024 10:10

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 10:05

@Efacsen "Yesterday people in Gaza City reported being too frightened to approach aid convoys for fear of being shot by the IDF "

reported to whom ?

Are you doubting this is true?

You were so rude to me last time I posted on this thread I'll not be looking for any articles for you

Dulra · 15/03/2024 10:12

@Yellowducksandrakes
"the IDF do not have a proper handle on the situation and people are dying as a result"
Unless you are privy to the IDF's operational plans you can't claim that.
I am not claiming that I am reporting on what has been reported widely by the organisations I listed already.

Hopefully, now there should be fewer raids by Hamas on Aid deliveries.
Yes and hopefully more aid will be allowed through so people are not so desperate and to get access to the pitiful amount of aid that is there.

AliceA2021 · 15/03/2024 10:54

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 08:27

I think on another thread someone was asking for proof that hamas took food, they didn't believe they did.

AliceA2021 · 15/03/2024 10:59

stomachamelon · 11/03/2024 17:47

Behind a paywall. Interesting article and may make groups like standing together think twice.

This is the problem. With Hamas still there and controlling things it takes brave people to speak out.

Some will support hamas as was seen by the cheering when they brought both live hostages and dead bodies back after hamas terrorist attack on 7th October 2023.

Hamas need to go. Wish they would think of the starving children they don't care though.

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 11:10

AliceA2021 · 15/03/2024 10:54

I think on another thread someone was asking for proof that hamas took food, they didn't believe they did.

That was me. How does this video proof Hamas has been stealing aid ? I posted a link that about Israel having failed to proof to US about their claims. Don’t think a video from tv is much proof to be honest (will they have stolen? Probably, has Israel proven it? No and that’s what I was asking you for)

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:13

AliceA2021 · 15/03/2024 10:54

I think on another thread someone was asking for proof that hamas took food, they didn't believe they did.

You appear to be mis-remembering from 'another thread' and have already forgotten that you were given a link to a US intelligence report saying that Hamas stealing aid wasn't a significant problem

Maybe go back and remind yourself

Very strange that evidence from Israel's closest ally is disregarded again on this thread - just today too

SummerFeverVenice · 15/03/2024 11:13

Question, if Hamas is taking control of all aid deliveries, then why is it that all of the people killed or wounded by IDF at these aid delivery points been civilians? The IDF has now opened fire on crowds gathering for aid repeatedly.

You would think that the IDF would have got at least a handful of Hamas fighters amongst the over a hundred dead bodies and over a thousand more wounded if Hamas’ were pushing themselves to the front to steal aid?

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:16

Sorry x-posted with @EasterIssland

And you're not really supposed to drag issues from thread to thread like this - or at least try to be a bit more subtle about it @AliceA2021

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 11:17

This was the link from ToI that I posted in the other thread.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-israel-hasnt-provided-specific-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-shipments/amp

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:19

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 11:17

It'll still be ignored

But well done on your patience

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:41

SummerFeverVenice · 15/03/2024 11:13

Question, if Hamas is taking control of all aid deliveries, then why is it that all of the people killed or wounded by IDF at these aid delivery points been civilians? The IDF has now opened fire on crowds gathering for aid repeatedly.

You would think that the IDF would have got at least a handful of Hamas fighters amongst the over a hundred dead bodies and over a thousand more wounded if Hamas’ were pushing themselves to the front to steal aid?

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Where is the proof that they are civilians?

The IDF haven't been idle

from BICOM

"According to the IDF, in the Hamad neighbourhood in western Khan Yunis, the IDF killed, “approximately one hundred terrorists….The operations also involved more than one hundred aerial strikes carried out in close proximity to the ground forces.”

Also on 13th March a mortar was fired from central Gaza toward Kibbutz Nahal Oz, however it fell inside the Gaza Strip. According to the IDF, “Within a few minutes, the terrorists responsible for the attempted launch were struck and eliminated by IDF aircraft.”

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Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:44

@Efacsen "And you're not really supposed to drag issues from thread to thread like this - or at least try to be a bit more subtle about it @AliceA2021"

Why not?

It's not up to you to decide what people post.

Or are you now the 'thread police'?

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Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:46

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:44

@Efacsen "And you're not really supposed to drag issues from thread to thread like this - or at least try to be a bit more subtle about it @AliceA2021"

Why not?

It's not up to you to decide what people post.

Or are you now the 'thread police'?

MNHQ don't like it - it's not up to me

Are you new to Mumsnet?

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:51

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:46

MNHQ don't like it - it's not up to me

Are you new to Mumsnet?

Then notify MN and let them deal with it. Why do you need to get involved?

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Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:53

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:51

Then notify MN and let them deal with it. Why do you need to get involved?

No need - was just a gentle heads up

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:56

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:53

No need - was just a gentle heads up

Well, nothing has been removed, so I guess it must be OK.

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Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:56

BICOM = naked Israeli propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_Israel_Communications_and_Research_Centre

EasterIssland · 15/03/2024 11:58

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:41

Where is the proof that they are civilians?

The IDF haven't been idle

from BICOM

"According to the IDF, in the Hamad neighbourhood in western Khan Yunis, the IDF killed, “approximately one hundred terrorists….The operations also involved more than one hundred aerial strikes carried out in close proximity to the ground forces.”

Also on 13th March a mortar was fired from central Gaza toward Kibbutz Nahal Oz, however it fell inside the Gaza Strip. According to the IDF, “Within a few minutes, the terrorists responsible for the attempted launch were struck and eliminated by IDF aircraft.”

Where is the proof that they’re terrorists … actual proof not what idf says please. It’s not the 1st time they accuse and torture someone for being a terrorist for them idf having to backtrack themselves and apologise as the people they accused to be terrorists weren’t terrorists

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:58

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 11:56

Well, nothing has been removed, so I guess it must be OK.

Things only get removed if reported

Do you always make such a fuss over nothing?

Yellowducksandrakes · 15/03/2024 12:04

Efacsen · 15/03/2024 11:58

Things only get removed if reported

Do you always make such a fuss over nothing?

I wasn't making a fuss - you were.

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