"The only purpose of these marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part three)

[stomachamelon]

Carrying on from part two....

@Scirocco your posts are always so considered and thoughtful.

I believe the majority of people on these marches are purely anti-Western liberal democracy.
What a sweeping statement! Is this a fact or is it just your opinion?
Some posters would like for the marches to be made illegal. That is anti-democracy. I despise the EDL ( my husband and I have at the receiving hand of their racism because he is black and I am white) but do I want them to stop marching? No.

I could apply this when it comes to the crimes committed by the Israeli government and the IDF.
I will get my tin hat.

There are other threads where that is being discussed though. It would be good if this one could stay on topic.

It certainly isn’t more offensive than your lie that I am justifying violence. You are simply lying when you say this. Why do you feel the need to do that? Do you often tell lies when things don’t go your way?

@PeasfullPerson let's keep the thread on topic please.

Not the right context in which to discuss it??

Wow three 'lies' in one paragraph.
Something upsetting you?

Let's just stick to the thread peeps.

Indeed, same time next week I suppose we'll see if any lessons have been learned from this week and whether Niyak Ghorbani is left in peace by peace protesters...or prevented from exercising his right to free speech by the police.

Hamas are terrorists is not a controversial statement, they terrorise Gaza too, and if protesters are allowed to say Israel is a terrorist state it suggests their calls for a ceasefire are a bit one-sided.

"5, 6, 7, 8, Israel is a terror state" every Saturday.

not sure I understand your point - if any.
I don't think I actually heard that on the two marches I went on (not saying it wasn't shouted somewhere - lots of things are) - but is that an illegal impermissable thing to say?
If so by whose rules/law?
Not sure if you have ever been on any marches for anything, but I am sure I must have heard similar things on marches in the past.
(haven't been on a march for years and years until this horror - but that says a lot about the horror)

No, it's very complicated apparently. Best not to try, it might hurt.

Yes this.

They cause division and people do find them annoying and avoid the areas.

Do help me then.
This is a forum.
I thought it was about (polite) exchange of views/opinions/information/expertise.
Am I mistaken?

well the Vietnam demos weren't just about keeping Britain out (though full credit to Wilson - rather than supine Blair - for keeping us out) as, you may recall from history, the most famous demo was outside the US embassy. (I wasn't there - way way too young).There are of course as I said lots of/countless other examples of demos about foreign matters, including of course Apartheid South Africa (I was on at least one) which you didn't address. Maybe wisely - as the state of Israel's relationship with that truly evil regime is a matter of historical record.
And there is more to say about that - history often turns in strange strange dark ways. And the abused often abuse. In both personal and political reklationships.
I could say more on that horrific theme but maybe for another place.
In the meantime, take comfort from the fact that many Brits of all sorts are concerned about matters outside these isles. As I suspect you are. It's just that you don't see eye to eye with all those concerned people. That's life. And democracy.

The link you were referring to

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/04/uk-charities-watchdog-assesses-concerns-about-campaign-against-antisemitism

Interesting that you are at such pains to discourage folks from reading the link.
I can also spare folk a few seconds of their time by quoting two short passages from it.

1
"The CAA also organised protests outside Labour HQ and a petition, the wording of which was changed from Corbyn “must go” to Labour “must act” after a previous regulatory compliance case. On that occasion the Charity Commission said it had instructed the CAA to change the wording “to ensure it complied with our guidance on campaigning and political activity”.

So the Campaign Against Anti Semitism had been found by the Charity Commission to be targetting an individual in a manner against Charity regulations.

Interesting of course that the Campaign Against Antisemitism thinks that street protests (not outside homes) are legitimate. I would agree with them on that.

2: "It (Jewish Voice for Labour) alleges the CAA has engaged in “persistent conflation and equating of antisemitism with criticism of the state of Israel”. This echoed concerns raised by the all-party parliamentary group against antisemitism in a 2015 report, which said “it is important that the (CAA) leadership do not conflate concerns about activity legitimately protesting Israel’s actions with antisemitism, as we have seen has been the case on some occasions”.

So The Campaign against Anti Semitism was found to have been conflating antisemitism with protests against Israeli policy - all party parliamentary group against anti semitism.

Thank you for highlighting the link.

I may post more for folks interested in The Campaign Against Antisemitism. Shouldn't be too hard - I also get regular mailings for them.

You may of course suggest that folk don't read them/pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

You seem to have a big problem with campaigning against anti-Semitism. I wonder why.

@BuzzsMap it's a mystery......

I found this woman's article interesting to read and also moving. London a no-go zone for Jews? Such harmful rhetoric just doesn’t reflect my experience | Natasha Walter | The Guardian

" at pains" ? No it took me all of a second but thanks for your concern.

Have you looked into other charitable organisations, such as interpal? They have an interesting history with the Charity Commission. Or is it only Jewish ones you're interested in?

Not at all. Suggest you reread my post.
I made it absolutely clear that anti semitism stinks.
But you are living in a very strange world if you think folks/groups have a free pass by just raising a certain banner/flag/form of words.
Most bad actors tend not to grandstand the fact.
Examples throughout history - Putin, Joe Stalin, the British Empire in its various bad episodes.
Feel free to address the actual content of my post.

Pretty sure it only took you seconds to be honest - doesn't surprise me one bit.
will look up interpal.
Your suggestion that I somehow am only interested in "jewish ones" is telling indeed.
In actual fact am interested in all fake news/fake operators/abusers of the charity regime.
But your suggestion that two wrongs make a right is also interesting.
"interpal" I assume you think is a wrong. Will check out as I said.

thanks for your link @Silence1
I found her use of the term "triple negative" particularly piercing.
The airwaves are full of what journos call "weasle words" with regard to the demos - as in "of course demonstrating is a key part of our democracy, but ...."

Not really.
Read my post.

meanwhile
in other news
for fans of such things, a free gift.
apparently London is now like Nazi Berlin in the 1930s.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/anti-semitic-londons-echoes-of-1930s-berlin/

I really must be more careful/observant when I head out the door.