Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

But Na’amod have approximately 250 members, therefore they are most definitely representative of the majority of the Jewish population of the UK. 👍

I’m just popping in to witness the next inevitable invocations in the Anti-Zionist Jews Who Agree With Me Canon- Not Jewish, not a Voice for Peace and the Neteuri Karta, who are basically a tiny fringe cult with excellent hats.

In a democracy people are allowed protest 👍

How is standing outside her fundraiser protesting behind police harassment? Give me a break 😂

Well aren’t they charming? Shouting at a lone woman on the street doesn’t really embody Jewish values or action for justice. They could call themselves Shouty Harassers for Justice but then certain people would be deprived of their opportunity to tokenize Good Jews and we can’t have that, can we?

She's an MP. The crowd is not going near her, and she's protected by police. Maybe you're not familiar with the day to day of politics but there's nothing wrong with this.

Nobody should be shouting and threatening any individuals. March and protest but don’t use hate speech. Stand with a placard but don’t target one single MP on their own, however objectionable you find their views. It’s a terrifying job now with death threats etc. I boycott Zara but despise those who abuse shoppers and workers there, verbally or physically.

In this time of fear and hate, we cannot abandon decency here, despite horrific events abroad.

Again, shes an MP not a Zara worker. She wasn't threatened. There was no hate speech. So your issue is with a small group protesting her fundraiser in a public place, and her while she walked past escorted by police, from a safe distance?

I don’t agree with shouting at one person walking home (if that’s what she was doing) however many escorts she had. It’s a scary experience.

That's fair enough, that's your opinion. If as an MP you choose to support mass slaughter I'd argue that the people you represent have a right to let you know that they disagree with that position.

Is this the same night that her fundraising dinner was disrupted and she was also heckled both inside and outside the restaurant by Just Stop Oil, the Oxford Palestine Society, Oxford Against War Crimes, XR Youth Oxford and Oxford Climate Justice Campaign or was it a separate incident?
Where do we draw the line between a protest and sustained harassment of a single person by several different groups?

So now there are "good Jews" and "bad Jews" and those whose opinions differ from your own are the latter? That is very offensive.

Good Jew/Bad Jew is an antisemitic trope, feel free to look it up.

I also can’t see any evidence that Anneliese Dodds chooses to support mass slaughter?

An excerpt from her letter on the subject to her constituents:

We all want the violence to end and to be replaced by a lasting peace. While Israel has the right to self-defence and to degrade the capabilities of Hamas to carry out such horrendous attacks, it must do so within international law. Self-defence is not a blank cheque. As I have said publicly repeatedly, it is imperative that international law is upheld. That requires Israel to act in accordance with the principles of necessity, distinction, proportionality and precaution – civilians, hospitals, schools, and refugee camps must be protected and cannot be targets, and there must be guarantees that Palestinians forced to flee will not be permanently displaced.

Moreover, the aid getting into Gaza is still completely insufficient, and it is unacceptable that Israel still has not lifted the siege conditions.
Labour is therefore calling for a full and immediate humanitarian pause in the fighting across the whole of Gaza to alleviate the suffering of Palestinian civilians, and for Hamas terrorists to release the hostages. The full pause must start now to get sufficient food, water, electricity, medicine, and fuel into Gaza and address the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe.
The short pauses announced by Israel are a first step, but on their own they won’t make the impact needed to relieve this humanitarian crisis. The damage to water pipelines and other infrastructure needs to be rebuilt, and that requires a longer pause.

We must, however, move to a full cessation of fighting as quickly as possible. The reality is that neither the long-term security of Israel, nor long-term justice for Palestine, can be delivered by bombs and bullets. A political agreement – however unlikely that seems today – is the only way to resolve this conflict, once and for all.

A lasting peace will require negotiations and a path to an independent Palestine and a secure Israel. Labour recognises Britain’s historic responsibility, and we believe it is totally wrong that the two-state solution was left out of the recent UK government’s UK-Israel road map. If Labour is given the chance to serve, we would strive to recognise Palestine as a sovereign state and would appoint a special envoy for Middle East peace to recharge diplomacy with all parties in the region to gain maximum influence towards the two-state solution that is so necessary.

In addition, we have redoubled our calls for illegal settlement activity to end, as well as violence and intimidation on the West Bank. And we are calling on the UK government to increase the UK’s humanitarian aid to Gaza by an extra £10 million, appoint a UK special coordinator for international aid to Gaza, for the immediate deployment of British experts and medical support teams, and for the government to work with international partners to give UN agencies, such as UNRWA, the long-term resources they need.

None of this really screams “genocide supporter!”.

So you agree it's offensive, and yet you use it?

Last night in Times Square, NYC.

https://x.com/ChaskelBennett/status/1761743191449936119?s=20

Nice.

I didn’t use it, I pointed out how it was being used in this context.

@25milesfromhome Well it seems (from your previous comments) that you consider Na’amod and Jews for Justice to be illegitimate voices in the community.

Where did I say they were illegitimate voices in the community?

Honestly, this habit of misquoting people based on what they have said on another thread is not on. I've seen it elsewhere in the past few days, always on the topic of the Middle East.

Odd.

You didn't use the word "illegitimate" but the implication was very clear in your remarks that "Na'amod have approximately 250 members" and that Jews for Justice "do no embody Jewish values" and should call themselves "Shouty Harassers for Justice". (Remarks from this thread, today)