Brave Israeli

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The people of the Irish Republic voted for and endorsed the Treaty

??? The treaty caused a very bloody civil war @DownNative. It split the country 'from stem to stern'. Forgot to mention that??

I find you consistently give a very biased Unionist perspective of NI. You cherry-pick facts, quotes etc. You don't seem to realise your bias either which is the most worrying thing.

From up thread - ”I was reading about this man OP and came across an article that was talking about other 'refuseniks'. I thought this was interesting:

In 2003, a group of Israeli Air Force pilots provoked national fury when they refused to take part in operations in the West Bank and Gaza. Submitting a letter to the media, they branded attacks on the territories as “illegal and immoral”.

The case was noteworthy, involving elite army members like Brigadier General Yiftah Spector, considered a legend in the forces for his attack on Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1982. The government accused the pilots of “pretentious snivelling”.

That same year, the country’s elite commandoes also defied orders to carry out attacks on the occupied territories. Setting out their position in a letter, 15 reservists from the Sayeret Matkal unit, often compared with the British army’s SAS, said: “We will no longer corrupt the stamp of humanity in us through carrying out the missions of an occupation army.

“In the past, we fought for a justified cause (but today), we have reached the boundary of oppressing another people.” “

Thank you @itsmyp4rty for this, really interesting and inspiring.

I missed that, thanks for original post and reshare. It’s crazy how long these issues have been ongoing. I found an article about it below for anyone who wants to read more.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/03/israel

Totally agree

@DownNative The people of the Irish Republic or Irish people as we tend to refer to them did not vote on the treaty

The British House of Commons approved the treaty on 16 December 1921 by a vote of 401 to 58. On the same day the House of Lords voted in favour by 166 to 47. The Dáil approved the new treaty after nine days of public debate on 7 January 1922, by a vote of 64 to 57. So hardly a landslide majority and as @Lanternandbooks pointed out it led to a bloody civil war. Your viewpoint is coming from a Unionist perspective which is fine but you need to stop stating everything as fact because a lot of it is looking at it from a particular perspective and viewpoint.

Israel is on trial for genocide, nearly every war crime Hamas were accused of on October 7th has been disproved, but people here still think that Hamas are the terrorists

@Coyoacan Which Hamas war crimes have been disproven exactly?

Is that your only objection?!

Collins was clear on that. And, of course, the British Government helped his Pro-Treaty IRA against Dev's Anti-Treaty IRA.

But the people did endorse the Treaty by voting for pro-Treaty parties.

Furthermore, the Treaty itself was democratic unlike the actions of the Anti-Treaty side.

Besides, that wasn't even the thrust of my argument. 🤦‍♂️ The partition of the UK, Ireland and Ulster was nothing like the UN Partition Plan of 1948.

Well, I'm hardly cherrypicking when I'm using a range of quotes from Nationalists, Republicans, Unionists, Irish Government Ministers and British Government Ministers. 🤦‍♂️

I see you engaged in a fallacy around bias too and offered zilch in response. Everyone has a bias to some extent, but it doesn't necessarily mean a person is wrong.

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