Brave Israeli

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Actually that is not true. I believe Hamas' original constitution referred to getting rid of the state of Israel but the one in force right now recognises Israel

But Hamas haven’t done any of that, so I don’t see how it’s relevant to my post.

You have seen what they did actually do quite recently though. How’s that working?

I think it's likely we're both biased, your comments suggest as much for you also.

I'm neither in Gaza or Israel, my government is backing the action as well supporting with our military via Cyprus and as a tax payer that entitles me to an opinion. Although, the idea we can only ever study, comment or involve ourselves in situations we're physically linked to is horseshit and if it was applied universally it would be pretty damaging to discourse and development no?

I'm familiar with the history, studied the European , Asian and Middle East from the British Raj to the collapse of the Former Yugoslavia with a focus on racism, genocide, nationalism and the collapse of empires.

I note that you have progressed to asking a multiple choice question with three possible answers.

Well done that young man for his bravery and wisdom, albeit being a pacifist does not seem likely to resolve anything in this hideous conflict. I do, truly believe though, that most wars are eventually resolved by talking, not bombing.

Desmond Doss was a brave man.
Anyone who puts themselves in harms way to save others - brave.
Hostages surviving their captivity - brave.
Gazans standing up to hamas - brave.

The post that was quoted in the quoted post was mine, and I was referring to the statements made on Lebanese TV by a senior Hamas official along the lines of, "we will repeat 7th October over and over again."
I didn't mention their constitution (which incidentally I have never read and have no interest in doing so).

There we go - prime example.

No one supporting Israel’s position can give anything other than an insult or non-sequitur

Why is that? If this is such a clear moral case for Israel, why can no one defend their actions without resorting to these bizarrely childish insults?

Please point to where anyone has said any of those thing you're accusing them of.

And I don't think you're really in a position to accuse others of childish insults. Pot kettle and all that

The have nothing against Jews, they just want to "get rid of" the Jewish state and anyone who thinks there should be a Jewish state. I'm sure when the not-terrorists were bragging on the phone to their mums about how many Jews they killed it wasn't because they hate Jews or anything.

"Because Hamas said a thing once"?? Are you actually kidding me? Nothing about the actual events of 7th Oct??? And the stated intention to repeat those events?

Anyway I see this thread is going the way of all the others so I'll leave you to it.

So for you it’s option 1?

You acknowledge Israel is committing genocide but you think that their actions are justified by the Hamas attacks on 7/10?

That is not what I said. Please don't tag me any more.

So what are you saying? That genocide isn’t taking place and the tv footage is doctored or edited?

It’s a shame you’ve reported so many posts on this thread because now no one can see what was actually said.

All the deletions seem to make it look like you’ve been backed into a corner of your own illogical making and then flounced

What are you talking about? I reported one post earlier because it was offensive. Presumably MN agreed with me. I've only posted a very small number of times on this thread. I am neither flouncing nor unconvinced of my own arguments, I just no longer wish to be drawn into discussion on this thread.

I would appreciate it if you would stop quoting/ tagging me - this is the second time I have asked you.

Do you enjoy putting words in people's mouth?

I wasn't referring to their constitution I was referring to their statements about Otober 7th which are clear and unequivocal. As are Iran's pronouncements on Israel AND JEWS.

I saw some really well thought out posts on this thread this morning. Such a shame so many are being deleted. Surely it’s not right to silence all opposition.

@PiersPlowman11 can you link to the news report please?

Also are you really trying to use this - horrific as it sounds if it is true - to justify the murder of over 25,000 people?

@Finallyloggedin You accuse Israelis using the emotive word "murder" in the context of a war HAMAS started, simultaneously failing to name perhaps the single most outrageous example of wanton barbarism as the incident it was. And it was not an isolated incident, either.

And yes, Israel is justified in doing whatever it takes to prevent "this" from happening again.