"The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews" (part two) ***MNHQ has tweaked the title in order to make the quote more clear***

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Only the few apparently........these pictures are from todays March. Footage to follow..

@PeasfullPerson Eylon Levy's job is to be social-media savvy and put his message across in a very brief and clear fashion. He never made any of the awful statements that some of the loons in the current Israeli government have.
People who disagree with the Israeli action in Palestine are inevitably not going to agree with his message, which is fine, but he does not deserve anti-Semitic abuse for carrying out his job.

I couldn't do what he does in the face of that abuse, that's for sure. And behind the scenes he is no Netanyahu fanboy - Sara Netanyahu has recently tried to have him sacked due to his involvement in the anti-government judicial reform protests last year.

Well @SomeCatFromJapan I can agree that his statements haven’t been as extreme as some of the members of the Israeli government. However I do find what he says to be misleading, dangerous and divisive. Perhaps he could use his skills to calm the situation down, rather than inflame it, but then it is much harder to do that than it is to rile everyone up against an external enemy.

Whatever your view on him, he should not be subject to anti-Semitic abuse for carrying out his job. There isn't an excuse for that and no-one should be attempting to justify it.
I shouldn't even need to say this. I can't believe we're in a situation where anyone has to point out that anti-Semitic abuse is never okay.

I don’t want to see any antisemitic placards at the marches, I agree. It upsets and worries people and there is no need for it.

Well @Offwiththecircus has just clearly demonstrated why their opinion of the marches counts for bog all given that they are willing to completely ignore antisemitism that makes Jews uncomfortable as a ‘different interpretation’, and then justifies antisemitic abuse of a prominent Jew because they have a different view of the war and are doing a good job of articulating it.

Fucking hell what an appalling post.

So - just to be clear - what you’re saying is ..

1. Offensive signs “may have been deserved” so why worry about them?
2. You didn’t read about any problems- therefore anybody who did must be reading from propaganda sources and be propagandists themselves
3. You didn’t see “any evidence that the march broke any rules” so anyone who says differently is “trying to stir things up by saying that it had. In short lying. “

justifies antisemitic abuse of a prominent Jew because they have a different view of the war and are doing a good job of articulating it

I completely agree that no one should be subjected to antisemitic abuse but he is not just a prominent jew he is the official spokesperson for the Israeli government and like all politicians worldwide will be subjected to criticism and abuse as a result of the position he holds. This should never be antisemitic in nature but don't downplay his role to someone who just has a different view on the war because that is not accurate, as a spokesperson for the government he is a key player in the conflict.

The Jew bit is pretty relevant when it makes the abuse antisemitic.

Let’s face it, he wasn’t just being abused as an Israeli spokesperson, but as a Jew.

Let’s face it, he wasn’t just being abused as an Israeli spokesperson, but as a Jew. I would argue it was both.
Again antisemitic abuse is wrong but someone in his position no matter what his background will face criticism and abuse

I can understand people supporting the marches. I cannot understand people who downplay/minimise/condone the bad behaviour on the marches.
It should be possible to say “ I support the marches but agree that some people on the March are aggressive , offensive and anti semitic and the organisers of the March must condemn that behaviour openly. “

I'm curious to know - has there been a single mention of antisemitism on here that no-one has minimised/ denied the involvement of antisemitism as the motivation/ somehow suggested the victim was to blame? Because it seems to me that such posts are either met with a deafening silence or picked apart endlessly.

Re Eylon Levy: of course it's fine to disagree with him / dislike him and to do so in a strongly worded way . He's a public figure after all. When you compare him with Goebbels, that becomes antisemitism. It's not difficult, really.

I also said it was both.

But in this instance the Jew bit is what makes it antisemitic.

The equivalent to me is disagree with Rishi Sunak/ Suella Braverman's policies freely, loudly, and as much as you want, but the coconut poster was straightforward racism, and not ok. Same thing with Diane Abbott, I disagreed with a lot of what she said, but she shouldn't have received any of the racism she came in for as a prominent female black politician. There are lines!

The only way I can describe it is that people go to the lowest common denominator to insult someone when they are frustrated by normal dialogue. Hence the Goebbel's reference with earnest grins on their faces.

I don't buy the whole 'well I didn't see it therefore it can't have happened' rubbish. It did. It's documented.

It would be welcomed if this behaviour was apologised for. Not explained away or minimised but god old fashioned ' we don't agree with this'

I agree with the freedom to March but it has sinister connotations at the moment and I hope that's stopped.

And yep, that post was appalling.

Will reply to other stuff when more time.

In the meantime, some folks might like to answer at least one question I asked above. One may have been asked of you. As I said, will return when more time and if necessary re-ask questions. Or we can just descend to abuse.

>>>I don't buy the whole 'well I didn't see it therefore it can't have happened' rubbish. It did. It's documented.

Well don't buy it because that is not what I said. That is a misquote. Possibly wilful. I said I hadn't seen any. I acknowledged that some folks appear to have been arrested and said let's see. I made the simple point that the march could not be described as anti semitic. I saw the vast vast majority. Of course there may have been anti semites there. Anti semitism is global. But that doesn't mean that it was an anti semitic march or that its motives are anti semitic. Any more than any country (all of them of course) where there is anti-semitism is anti semitic.

As someone who saw the vast majority of the march I repeat that the Israeli spokesperson (I need to do more research on him - many/most know him way way better than me) was lying. Some may say that that is his job. But he is lying.

In the meantime folk might like to answer the fair questions I have asked.

Rather than slandering me.

Start of march for a start - perhaps?

The actions of the organisers with regard to - perhaps?

Where this synagogue was and any issues that may have been caused by the march passing it while folks were exiting?

>>I agree with the freedom to March but it has sinister connotations at the moment and I hope that's stopped.

So you want the marches stopped?

Stopping the marches/silencing people had been the intention of some all along. Despite all the weaving about freedoms, but ....

Any expressions of anti semitism will of course be brought before the law.

In the meantime I will march peacefully (I'm so peaceful it's incredible) and some on here can sit in their bubbly echo chambers.

At @Offwiththecircus hasn’t said that there weren’t antisemitic placards at the marches, just that they haven’t personally seen them. I’m not sure if this is a willing misinterpretation of what they said or it has perhaps been misinterpreted unconsciously because tensions are so high? People are on high alert?

I think the only thing we can agree on here is that there is no place for antisemitic placards and words on the marches.

It is upsetting for the majority of people who are peacefully marching to be tarred with the label of antisemitic. It’s a shame that some people think it’s OK for Elyon Levy to slander a whole group of people who don’t agree with him. I don’t think it’s fair to do this to any group of people.

I'm so peaceful it's incredible

😂

I live in a small city and bore witness to a march on Saturday. And yes, there were anti semetic placards being waved around. Thankfully, the local population treated them with the disdain they deserve by feigning indifference and looking away ( this is the best way I believe by not engaging with such idiots as I think some are deliberate attempts to provoke and offend ) and pointing them out to the local police force who could deal with them in the correct way.

Looking away is the best way to deal with anti-Semitism?

And pointing out to the local police

”I will march peacefully (I'm so peaceful it's incredible)”🙄
I’ve actually found you extremely rude and deliberately provocative… not a great look for a peace loving demonstrator

Sorry if my post was somewhat garbled - what I was trying to convey was that lots of passers by noticed the anti Semitic signs and did the right thing by alerting the police. This was a small scale demonstration so God knows what happens in the London protests.

Offwiththecircus- Since you’re asking questions Could you clarify the following which I posted in response to you yesterday? ( the comments in quote marks are your words— I would like you to confirm you stand by them because I find them offensive)
So - just to be clear - what you’re saying is ..

1. Offensive signs “may have been deserved” so why worry about them?
2. You didn’t read about any problems- therefore anybody who did must be reading from propaganda sources and be propagandists themselves
3. You didn’t see “any evidence that the march broke any rules” so anyone who says differently is “trying to stir things up by saying that it had. In short lying. “

Feigning indifferance = agreeing, turning the cheek, not being bothered by it at all. Why march along with it, that implies acceptance of it

I will never march among people who spread hatred. I would march for peace, for hamas to go, for hostages to be released but the marches don't shout for that do they. Why not? Why not, I wonder.

Hence why some refer to them as Pro Pal or hate marches, not peace marches.