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Conflict in the Middle East

Teaching Hatred

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UnSognoAVenezia · 27/12/2023 23:55

INTERNATIONAL LAW
The use and recruitment of children under the age of 15 as soldiers is not only illegal under international law, but is also defined as a war crime by the International Criminal Court.

This law applies both to state armed forces and non-state armed forces; in other words, Palestinian groups cannot claim innocence for using children in combat under the guise that their paramilitary groups are not acting on behalf of a sovereign nation.

In 2005, Amnesty International stated: “Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks.”

The psychological effects for child soldiers are devastating. Research conducted among Palestinian and Ugandan child soldiers found that 50 percent of former child soldiers experience post-traumatic stress disorder. Others suffer from major depressive disorder, hostility, sadness, low self-confidence, and an inability to cope with daily life.

HISTORY
The recruitment of minors for combat by Palestinian militants dates back to the final years of the Ottoman occupation of Palestine (1517-1917). Youths were at the forefront of the opposition against Jewish immigration, and an attitude developed that children had a “duty to sacrifice themselves.”

During the infamous 1929 Hebron Massacre, when 69 Jews were murdered and the most ancient continuous Jewish community in Palestine was decimated, Arab youths instigated the violence.

As relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world developed, the powerful Husseini family founded the Palestinian Arab Party, modeled after the Nazi Party in Germany. Inspired by the Hitler Youth, the party created a Nazi-like scout group named “Al-Futuwwa.” That same year, the A-Futuwwa youth corps began Nazi-inspired military training. Al-Futuwwa adopted the following motto: “Liberty is my right; independence is my goal; Arabism is my principle; Palestine is my country and mine only. This I attest and God is a witness to my words.”

With the establishment of the Palestine Liberation Organization in 1964, the PLO created military training programs for boys and girls.

During the First Intifada (1987-1993), a culture of Palestinian youth stone-throwing emerged, quickly linking stone-throwing to martyrdom. During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), at least nine children carried out suicide bombings against Israelis.

TRAINING CAMPS
As stated above, the first militarized training camps for Palestinian children were established in the 1930s, inspired by the Hitler Youth. The group was known as Al-Futuwwa.

This practice resurged with the establishment of the PLO in 1964. Palestinian children were subjected to military training with the aim of “strengthening Palestinian national self-awareness” and upholding a “revolutionary culture.”

In 2000, 25,000 Palestinian boys were taught “kidnapping, ambushing, and using assault weapons” at a training camp run by former Palestinian Authority president Yasser Arafat’s staff.

In September 2012, Hamas, the Islamist, antisemitic, extremist terrorist organization that runs the Gaza Strip, instituted a new military training program for school boys in Gaza, also named Al-Futuwwa. The program implemented the following: (1) a two-week military training camp, (2) weekly “military” classes, and (3) “practical activities.” The curriculum targeted some 37,000 boys, who were taught to use Kalashnikov assault rifles, hand grenades, and other explosive devises.

SUICIDE BOMBINGS
During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), Palestinian groups recruited children as militants in a number of ways; most notably and devastatingly, at least nine suicide bombings were carried out by Palestinian children.

In 2004, the Israeli military intercepted an 11-year-old Palestinian boy carrying explosive devices on his person through a checkpoint in Nablus.

In 2000, the then Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Ekrima Sa'id Sabri made a statement in support of suicide attacks carried out by children: “The younger the martyr, the more I respect him.”

In 2003, the United Nations Secretary General stated: “We have witnessed both ends of these acts: children have been used as suicide bombers and children have been killed by suicide bombings. I call on the Palestinian authorities to do everything within their powers to stop all participation by children in this conflict.”

On December 25, 2023, the Israeli Defense Forces found child-sized suicide bomber vests in a building used to shelter civilians in the Gaza Strip.

During the Second Intifada (2000-2005), a photo of a "baby suicide bomber" sparked international outrage. The boy's uncle verified the authenticity of the photo, though the IDF believed there were no actual explosives in the belt.

INDOCTRINATION
Hamas runs both Shehab News and the Al-Aqsa Media Network. Al-Aqsa Media is known for its virulently antisemitic content; for example, the children’s program Tomorrow’s Pioneers, which ran from 2007 to 2009, quite literally encouraged Palestinian children to murder Jews. Children’s characters made statements such as: “We will annihilate the Jews,” and “[I] will finish off the Jews and eat them.”

Palestinian schoolbooks frequently espouse overt antisemitism, as well as demonization Jews, Israelis, and Israel. Hamas has repeatedly interfered with the curriculums of United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools, including the decision to suspend any education on the Holocaust in 2009. UNRWA teachers have also been caught posting explicitly antisemitic content online, such as content praising Hitler.

From 2002 to at least 2006, the Hamas-run biweekly online magazine for children, Al-Fatah (“The Conqueror”), praised suicide bombers and attacks on the “Jewish enemy.”

At least 20 UNRWA schoolteachers and staff praised the October 7 Hamas massacre of Israeli civilians, the deadliest antisemitic massacre since the Holocaust.

Here is a quote from Hamas MP Fathi Hamad:
"[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'"

IMPLICATIONS
First, a caveat: Israel too has been accused of “glorifying” military culture, with children being taught to look forward to their military draft. That said, the two situations are not remotely similar. First, Israel does not recruit minors for military operations. Israel does not fire from civilian-populated areas, and certainly not from areas populated by children. Independent studies have found that, while both Israeli and Palestinian school textbooks generally don’t offer a very sympathetic view of the other side, Palestinian textbooks overwhelmingly glorify martyrdom, whereas Israeli textbooks emphasize peace.

The militarization and radicalization of Palestinian children is a form of child abuse, and it has grave implications.

A clinical psychologist at Tel Aviv University, Shafiq Masalha, found that during the Second Intifada (2000-2005), 15 percent of Palestinian children dreamt of becoming suicide bombers. According to the director of the Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Eyad Sarraj, 36 percent of Palestinian children over the age of 12 aspire to die “a martyr’s death.”

A 2012 study on Israeli, Palestinian, and Arab Israeli children found that exposure to the conflict and violence increased aggressive behavior. It stated: "Palestinian children were at the greatest risk for exposure to violence across settings as well as at the highest level of aggressive behavior in comparison to the two other groups. Males were uniformly at greater risk than were females for all forms of exposure to violence as well as more aggressive."

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Humdingerydoo · 03/01/2024 00:14

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 00:05

To repeat myself, elected representatives of a nation state advocating for ethnic cleansing whilst the armed forces of that state are in my view and in the view of many others are carrying out ethnic cleansing is very troubling. To put it mildly.

Hamas were also elected. And before you feel the need to remind me that there hasn't been elections in many, many years. I know. I'm well aware. But just as a reminder, they were elected before Hamas changed their charter. People in Gaza voted for a party that was calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing. I'm NOT saying that they therefore deserve what's happening now, I'm just saying that I think it's a bit off to worry more about these two politicians who have more people opposing than supporting them instead of worrying more about Hamas.

SeaStatePhenomenal · 03/01/2024 00:15

Definitely not homophonic

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 00:16

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Trulywonderful · 03/01/2024 01:37

"To silence dissent, Hamas terrorized the citizens of Gaza. On the way to the Dar-Alarqam school I attended in the al-Shujaiya neighborhood near the Israeli border, a group of masked men carrying Kalashnikovs would check each car. At the end of the year, masked men opened offices in our school to promote Hamas's military camps and register students."

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169

Hamas

Hamas Tortured Me for Dissent. Here's What They Truly Think of Palestinians

I thought I'd left Gaza behind, yet all this time, Hamas was planning to expand its extremism and intimidation.

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 07:55

The US state dept isn't impressed by those statements supporting ethnic cleansing either.

www.state.gov/rejection-of-irresponsible-statements-on-resettlement-of-palestinians-outside-of-gaza/

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 08:32

This is the text of the media release

The United States rejects recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir advocating for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza. This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible. We have been told repeatedly and consistently by the Government of Israel, including by the Prime Minister, that such statements do not reflect the policy of the Israeli government. They should stop immediately.
We have been clear, consistent, and unequivocal that Gaza is Palestinian land and will remain Palestinian land, with Hamas no longer in control of its future and with no terror groups able to threaten Israel. That is the future we seek, in the interests of Israelis and Palestinians, the surrounding region, and the world.

Note the following.

  1. No accusations of ethnic cleansing are made and this is not the language used.

  2. They note that the positions are outlying and not reflective of the Israeli government.

  3. They are clear that Hamas should not be governing Gaza and they indicate that they see them as a terror group.

  4. They are also clear that they oppose terror groups that threaten Israel.

The statement is perfectly reasonable. I don't think the PP has entirely understood it though.

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 08:36

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 08:32

This is the text of the media release

The United States rejects recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir advocating for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza. This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible. We have been told repeatedly and consistently by the Government of Israel, including by the Prime Minister, that such statements do not reflect the policy of the Israeli government. They should stop immediately.
We have been clear, consistent, and unequivocal that Gaza is Palestinian land and will remain Palestinian land, with Hamas no longer in control of its future and with no terror groups able to threaten Israel. That is the future we seek, in the interests of Israelis and Palestinians, the surrounding region, and the world.

Note the following.

  1. No accusations of ethnic cleansing are made and this is not the language used.

  2. They note that the positions are outlying and not reflective of the Israeli government.

  3. They are clear that Hamas should not be governing Gaza and they indicate that they see them as a terror group.

  4. They are also clear that they oppose terror groups that threaten Israel.

The statement is perfectly reasonable. I don't think the PP has entirely understood it though.

Resettling Gazans outside of Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

Mushroomsouptonight · 03/01/2024 08:38

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 08:36

Resettling Gazans outside of Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

Why don't you actually read the statement.

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 08:44

I'm not sure if people here have literacy issues or what.

I said their statements were troubling. So does this statement.

"The United States rejects recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir advocating for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza. This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible."

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

Mushroomsouptonight · 03/01/2024 08:56

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 08:44

I'm not sure if people here have literacy issues or what.

I said their statements were troubling. So does this statement.

"The United States rejects recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir advocating for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza. This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible."

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

Read the rest of the statement not just that bit!

It's not difficult.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 09:22

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

Translation: I don't really understand what I'm saying or have any rational points to make so I'll disappear with a dash of DARVO.

Mushroomsouptonight · 03/01/2024 09:25

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 08:44

I'm not sure if people here have literacy issues or what.

I said their statements were troubling. So does this statement.

"The United States rejects recent statements from Israeli Ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir advocating for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza. This rhetoric is inflammatory and irresponsible."

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

It's not actually a debate when you lift a sentence rather than read the entire statement that shout 'ethnic cleansing'.

Then when it's pointed out to you to actually read the entire statement, you run off because you're wrong 🙄😂

Toothyfruity · 03/01/2024 09:26

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 09:22

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

Translation: I don't really understand what I'm saying or have any rational points to make so I'll disappear with a dash of DARVO.

The only point I was trying to make was that Israeli politicians making comments calling for ethnic cleansing is troubling.

It really shouldn't be controversial.

Mushroomsouptonight · 03/01/2024 09:27

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/01/2024 09:22

Anyway it's literally impossible to have a debate here so I'll leave it there on this matter.

Translation: I don't really understand what I'm saying or have any rational points to make so I'll disappear with a dash of DARVO.

This 😂

somemightsay31 · 03/01/2024 10:15

This.

stomachameleon · 03/01/2024 10:58

Their comment at 12.07 shows they are incapable of debate anyway.

It's been explained numerous times.
They just Don't get it.

Make of that what you will.

quantumbutterfly · 03/01/2024 12:00

gingergran · 02/01/2024 16:55

@quantumbutterfly i agree with you but haters will always hate

Thank you for your reply, I was afraid my words were clumsy.

I have a lovely friend who is a committed Christian, when her 5 year old son told me we are all born as sinners it reminded me why I have not given my children the faith I grew up with, (though increasingly as I age I realise that they have also lost the positive sense of community and support that faith provides, and the cultural references).
I suppose my point is that children trust and believe and absorb their parents influence, we hurt them by teaching them to hate (themselves or others).

Which is how this thread started.

As it happens her children are well-adjusted, intelligent and delightful, I guess I shouldn't have hoiked up my judgey pants all those years ago.Grin

Parkingt111 · 03/01/2024 12:03

As its a more quieter thread can I ask a question for those who have knowledge on Israeli politics please.
It seems that Ben Gvir and Smotrich are also causing Netanyahu trouble with their inflammatory comments which on the face of it he disagrees with. I see they both doubled down today with even worse comments which I won't share on here but some of you may have seen.
For this reason can they not be sacked or replaced? Or can It only happen if there is another election

quantumbutterfly · 03/01/2024 12:06

Parkingt111 · 03/01/2024 12:03

As its a more quieter thread can I ask a question for those who have knowledge on Israeli politics please.
It seems that Ben Gvir and Smotrich are also causing Netanyahu trouble with their inflammatory comments which on the face of it he disagrees with. I see they both doubled down today with even worse comments which I won't share on here but some of you may have seen.
For this reason can they not be sacked or replaced? Or can It only happen if there is another election

Have you tried asking israelilefty on their AMA thread?

Parkingt111 · 03/01/2024 12:07

@quantumbutterfly oh yes actually good idea

stormy4319trevor · 03/01/2024 12:58

'Israeli media this morning, meanwhile, has been reporting that Israel has been conducting negotiations with Congo and other African negotiations about taking Palestinians who would agree to a “voluntary” resettlement'

From the Guardian. It does state that Netanyahu says previously said this isn't his government's position. So who is doing these negotiations and why is Netanyahu allowing it? I thought he would have the final say on any government negotiations.

quantumbutterfly · 03/01/2024 13:02

stormy4319trevor · 03/01/2024 12:58

'Israeli media this morning, meanwhile, has been reporting that Israel has been conducting negotiations with Congo and other African negotiations about taking Palestinians who would agree to a “voluntary” resettlement'

From the Guardian. It does state that Netanyahu says previously said this isn't his government's position. So who is doing these negotiations and why is Netanyahu allowing it? I thought he would have the final say on any government negotiations.

citation needed

stormy4319trevor · 03/01/2024 13:04

Israel’s national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, has been critical of US opposition to his previously stated push for the transfer of Palestinians out of Gaza.
In a social media message posted overnight, Ben-Gvir said: “The US is our best friend, but first of all we will do what is best for the state of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow [Israeli] residents to return home and live in security and will protect the IDF.”
The US state department has pushed back against suggestions that Israel could expel Palestinians from Gaza as part of a “day after” scenario for the war, saying “Gaza is Palestinian land and will remain Palestinian land.”
Israeli media this morning, meanwhile, has been reporting that Israel has been conducting negotiations with Congo and other African negotiations about taking Palestinians who would agree to a “voluntary” resettlement.
The report, initially carried by Hebrew news site Zman Israel, cited a senior source in the security cabinet saying “Congo will be willing to take in migrants, and we’re in talks with others”.
Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has previously said it is not his government’s position to force “voluntary” resettlement of people of Gaza, and he has been critical of the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, and Ben-Gvir for supporting the idea of emptying Gaza of Palestinians in public, without going so far as to dismiss them from his government.

Gaza | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/gaza

stormy4319trevor · 03/01/2024 13:05

@quantumbutterfly But my question is, who is doing these negotiations and why does Netanyahu allow it if it isn't his government's position, please?