To ask why the only countries that didn't vote for a ceasefire were USA and UK?

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All other countries in the UN voted for a ceasefire.

USA put their hand up and voted against a ceasefire.

UK abstained from voting.

Can anyone explain to me their reasoning for not voting for a ceasefire?

That is my response. Sure you and 5 other people are bored of me saying israel is committing genocide. Barely anyone agrees with you anymore. And the anti semitism threats aren't working anymore because just as many Jewish people are outraged by Israel and want nothing to do with it.

The West is far more anti-Islam and anti-Arab than it is anti-Israel or antisemitic. There is massive and obvious dislike of Arabs in the West - they are tolerated and toadied to where they are wealthy and powerful, but totally and utterly distrusted, and vice versa. Whilst the US has always been the most vociferous supporter of Israel, it is quite something to see countries with a vested interest in supporting Israel against the rest of the Arab world to be calling Israel’s behaviour out. Anyone would think most countries see the danger in actually supporting genocide.

Palestine? Did you mean Hamas? Or you think all Palestinians support Hamas?

Why do people always try to take the moral
High ground with these kind of posts.

No. Clearly not. That's why I asked the question.

I personally am bored of non-Jewish people speaking for Jewish people. That includes any imaginary Jewish friends you claim to have, who all conveniently completely agree with you.

Wars are fought between opposing armies. This is not a war as Israel is fighting and killing the population.

So they're not fighting Hamas then? It's civilians firing the rockets towards Israel?

I’m not sure you know a lot about Irish history. The famine reduced the Irish population by 4 million and many consider it a genocide by the British state. Also there was the war of independence and the civil war. The black & tans were absolutely brutal and ultimately turned the Irish public against the British. There was plenty of hate - on both sides but maybe mainly indifference from the British public.

This was an interesting poll in regards to American attitudes towards the way Biden has handled the conflict

Most Americans disapprove of Joe Biden’s handling of the Israel-Gaza war, CBS reports.

According to a new poll published by the US news outlet,

•46% of Americans believe that the Biden administration is making “no impact” on a peaceful resolution in the war.

•20% believe that the Biden administration is “more likely” to be making a peaceful resolution.

•34% believe the US president is “less likely” to be making a peaceful resolution.

Meanwhile, among Democrats
•38% believe that Biden is showing “too much support” for Israel, a 10% jump from a poll conducted in October.

•8% of Democrats believe that the Biden administration is not showing enough support, a 2% decrease from October.

•Fifty-four percent of Democrats believe that Biden is showing the “right amount of support”, an 8% decrease from October.

I'm not sure who else they can vote for even if they don't like it. Look at the other Dem candidates - Dean Phillips supports Israel and ditto Marianne Williamson. Any Republican candidate will be even more bullish.

Hell, even Bernie Sanders supports Israel.

@SomeCatFromJapan Bernie Sanders has suprised me with how critical he has been on Israels actions in this war
He said asking them nicely to minimise civilian casualties isn't working so maybe time to put an end to the blank cheque

He has been alot more vocal with his criticism than Biden

He also said this

Israel has the "right to defend itself" against Hamas, but it "cannot go to war against the Palestinian people and cause the horrific damage to human life that we are seeing right now."

And this, although his issue seems more with Netanyahu and the government actions. Maybe it would be different if the Israeli government was different right now

"I do not believe that we should give the right-wing extremist Netanyahu government an additional $10.1 billion dollars with no strings attached to continue their inhumane war against the Palestinian people."

He did ultimately agree with the war though. He said that there was no way to negotiate peace with Hamas.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1733885042458562955

Stop dragging NI into this. I grew up in NI during the troubles and the vast majority I knew across all communities did not support violence.

Most resented the control and coercion of those with guns even if they were from "your side" .
And I knew no one who would support the level of violence being seen from either Hamas or Israel.
There's nothing romantic about torture, coercion, violence, living under the gun or being "disappeared" be it carried out by terrorists or an army.

@SomeCatFromJapan yes so as he said the issue is not with Israel defending itself but more with how it is doing so
Also with the current Israeli government too it seems

None of my post is about NI. And it’s in response to other posters.

@mollyfolk you were responding to a poster who was responding to a post that was initiated by talk about NI . Bear in mind I have seen the whole population of NI described as scum by both people in Scotland and in Ireland (just the Republic) . We are basket cases etc etc
Bit similar to how the people in Gaza must feel.

I do indeed know a lot about Irish history. No-one sane thinks the British caused the potato famine - although as occupiers they did far too little to help, so that did lead to the formation of what became the IRA. There were periodic outbursts of anger and hatred - but, as you say, mostly indifference from the arrogant and snobbish British, and most Catholic Irish people tended to support less violent approaches where at all possible - Daniel O Connell…Parnell…The Civil war happened because 50% of the Irish refused to continue to fight the British for Northern Ireland.
Almost no Irish person ever wanted to kill British children and the IRA were widely condemned and scorned for doing so. The British did not retaliate by murdering thousands of innocent Irish children.
Currently as far as I know there are fairly good relations overall between Ireland and the UK with increasing numbers of British people emigrating to Ireland.

So, no. Not at all the level of extremism and mass murder and slaughter that we are seeing in this current issue.

Christ nothing like it, are you joking?

Yes me too but this is just one of 300 odd threads about evil Israel.

Well if people can say Israel and assume all Israelis and Jews support their government we have to extend the equal courtesy to Palestines don’t you think?

Its about proportionality.

What Hamas did was pure evil, as is keeping hold of the hostages too.

But Israel has killed so far, 18000 people, some of the latest victims were a new born baby, the mother and the father, all gone.

Israel is driving around 2m people towards the Egyptian border, no food, no medicines, no shelter and their homeland has been destroyed, the Israeli aim appears to be to force the Palestinians into Egypt.

Evil Israel? no, thats stupid but are their actions evil? yes, they are doing to others which has been done to them in the past & getting away with it due to that past.

@HowVeryBizarre Re reading your post, i believe you do want the Palestinians to suffer and a great deal too.

One thing is for sure, Netanyahu and his cronies are absolute psychopaths. Insane and incompetent. And were wildly unpopular in Israel before all this. There were mass protests only I April. I think people forget that.

It’s shameful to talk only of the atrocities committed by Hamas, or only of the atrocities committed by Israel (not all the inhabitants of Israel - representatives and the leaders of Israel, because there is a difference, as there is between Hamas and “Palestinians”). It is an atrocity that the leadership of Israel has been encouraging illegal settlement in the West Bank. It is atrocious that Israel turns a blind eye to the behaviour towards Palestinians of illegal settlers in the West Bank. It is an atrocity that Israel’s approach to its war on Hamas is so genocidal that even the US has asked it to reconsider its approach. It is an atrocity that Israel’s rhetoric makes it clear it does not actually distinguish between Hamas and citizens of Gaza, but considers them all all murderers and torturers by proxy - yet fails to take full responsibility in the same way for the murderous activities of its own illegal settlers and the corruption of the leader of its own country.