Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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Continuing

You think little girls are immune to radicalisation.

Here’s some more ‘fun’ facts

Keeping kids in cages eh? How jolly.

Except they aren’t facts, fun or otherwise, many of the female and child Palestinian prisoners being released were held under administrative detention. Which is a special human rights violating power whereby the military can arrest and detain anyone for an indefinite period. They are never charged, they never had a trial, their guilt was never proven and yet they have been held for months or years in prison. Several cases, they did stand trial in a military court and despite being found innocent of the charges, were still sentenced to several years in prison on suspicion of guilt by association.

No. I think it’s really telling that you don’t think Palestinian children and women deserve the same civil rights we currently enjoy. You don’t shoot and kill or put children in prison for throwing a rock because it might be a suicide bomb in ten years when they are adults. A civilisation only punishes people for the crimes they commit, not the crimes you think a child might go on to commit.

It is inhumane to kill or imprison children for a crime you think they might commit as an adult because of your own Irishphobia or islamaphobia. The narratives are eeerily similar that I am reading. The dehumanisation of an entire population, almost line by line the same excuses.

Anybody who has stoned someone to death should definitely be in jail. Throwing a stone at a tank is not an offence that should mean a lengthy jail sentence, or death in the case of Faris Odeh (pictured below) And other children since.

100% this!

Oh please quit with the emotive language and accusations. Do you know the background events to those children being detained?

Do you know why he was throwing stones at the tank?

Human Rights Campaigners have uncovered suspected cases of fabricated charges to cover up IDF shootings. Such as:

Shorouq Dwayyat, who is currently serving her ninth year of a 16-year sentence, is one of many prisoners who campaigners say have been unjustly tried and sentenced on unfair or fabricated charges. She was also fined 80,000 shekels ($21,500).
She was just 18 years old when Israeli forces shot her four times, leaving her in critical condition.
She was accused of attempting to stab an Israeli settler with a knife, but her family strongly refutes the charges.
Palestinian witnesses said an Israeli settler had tried to pull off her hijab while she was walking past, in a deliberate act of provocation. She pushed back and Israeli forces fired four bullets into her body, leaving her to bleed on the ground for half an hour before arresting her.
Shorouq was treated at the Ein Karem/Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem, undergoing skin grafts and several operations. She had just started her first semester at Bethlehem University as a geography and history student, after obtaining a 90 percent average in her high school results.

Anybody who has stoned someone to death should definitely be in jail. Throwing a stone at a tank is not an offence that should mean a lengthy jail sentence, or death in the case of Faris Odeh (pictured below) And other children since

To be fair adults who are handy with a sling shot could kill someone (though the IDF have guns which I’m fairly sure are just as deadly).

This does not mean children can be mistreated and shoved in cages by people who despise them because they view them as tomorrow’s terrorists.

Absolutely - but then we'd need to know full information about their detention and I'm not sure that would be easy to find (and probably wouldn't be accepted by some even if it was)

Do you know why he was throwing stones at the tank?

From Wikipedia

“Odeh's 17-year-old cousin Shadi, a Palestinian policeman, was killed during a confrontation with Israeli troops on 1 November. "When that happened, Faris said, 'I swear I'll avenge his death,'" Anam Odeh told the Post. "He went to Shadi's funeral wreath and placed a snapshot of himself in it. He said the wreath would be for him, too."

Later, Odeh was reportedly at the front of a group of young Palestinians throwing rocks at Israeli troops at the Karni crossing, when Israeli soldiers opened fire. His friends say that as Odeh crouched to pick up a stone, he was hit in the neck and that because he was so close to an Israeli tank that they had to wait an hour before they felt it was safe to remove his body and load it into an ambulance. He was pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital”

24 out of the 39 did not know why they were being held, were not charged and no legal process was followed, according to CNN. This is why I would not call them all 'prisoners', since no law was followed. I would not call them hostages, either - abductees, perhaps? but prisoner is inaccurate for over half of them. The others may have been prisoners in the legal sense.

That poster was simply addressing what you actually said, and she's 100% right.

You're justifying the detention and mistreatment of children, on the off chance that they might one day become suicide bombers? Can you actually hear yourself?

Can we please keep this thread to its focus? I think some posters are being incredibly rude to raise other issues not related to the hostages. There are plenty of threads, post it somewhere else.

No, she was not correct when she made accusations of Islamaphobia.

You can’t really because it’s done via martial law and closed military courts (if not administrative detention) and these are all sealed/cannot be made public unlike criminals prosecuted under a civic justice system. So all we really have are what human rights organisations have investigated and reported.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/30/joint-submission-human-rights-watch-and-lawyers-justice-committee-against-torture

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/special-procedures/callapplications/sropt/cfi-march2023/2022-11-15/Noura-Al-Mawed-Detention-Conditions-of-Palestinians-in-Israeli-Prisons.pdf

@Iwantcakeeveryday agreed. I saw the footage this morning of Emily hand and her dad being reunited. It was so moving.

Do you think the other children might be released today? Particularly the babies?

No, she was not correct when she made accusations of Islamaphobia

Assuming it’s ok to mistreat children because they are just mini terrorists anyway has a slight hint of prejudice about it.

@Cashncarry68 amongst other phobias :/

I would hope so but I just find it horrific to take them and keep them this long in the first place. babies! without their parents. It's just hideous.
I did see some photos of one of the released children on a bus and I just feel it's wrong to show us those. I don't need to see photos of them when they've just left and are clearly going to be traumatised. I feel everyone should respect their privacy.

Is this the gentleman that was told his daughter was dead then alive and was campaigning for her release?

Yes, I forgot I hate the Irish as well 🙄

Yes, Thomas and Emily Hand.

The technical term for them is detainee or political prisoner. They aren’t technically hostages as there is no intent by those taking them into custody to use them as bargaining chips or ransom them for concessions. I agree they are not convicts which is the type of prisoner we are most used to in Europe. We don’t tend to have prisoners that are not either awaiting trial after arrest or serving a sentence after conviction of a crime.