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Conflict in the Middle East

Israelis held hostage (part 2)

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 18:50

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Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 09:27

@thelonemommabear sorry I don't think my wording was very clear
So the agreed category includes women of all ages (although I don't think IDF soldiers)
And then children (under the age of 18) male and female - please someone correct me If that is wrong

So if Hamas are saying they only have 7 or is it 8 remaining by them of the agreed category then who is unaccounted for?

I think we will only know for sure once the hostages are released today

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 09:29

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 09:08

@thelonemommabear sky news was reporting that according to Hamas that's the only hostages remaining in the 'agreed category'

So according to the terms of the truce Israel would release women and children detainees (under the age of 18)

And Hamas would release Israeli hostages from the same category
I think the Thai and Russian hostages who were released were not part of the truce agreement

@EllaDisenchanted @Efacsen could you confirm if that is correct?

I don’t know @Parkingt111, although it would make sense. There is a large contingent of hostages who were kidnapped from the Nova festival, who would not be in the children category, the elderly men and the fathers of a lot of the families who were released.
You’re right that the Thais were a separate agreement with their government, and one Russian was released also as a separate deal.

SovietSpy · 30/11/2023 09:30

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 08:36

I have just seen news of the shooting attack. Tragic. Where the attackers released as part of a previous exchange scheme do you know?

Not sure if they were released as part of a previous scheme but the Mossad X account is reporting they were known terrorists that had been in prison before.

feralunderclass · 30/11/2023 09:34

The Thai media just released a statement saying the captives were treated well.

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 09:46

https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-thai-hostage-says-israelis-held-with-him-were-abused-beaten/amp/

i don’t think they were treated the same as the Israelis. Also it doesn’t appear to be one mass group being held, Emily hand and hila rotem were held with another women (not hilas mother), and different groups are likely to have had different experiences.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 09:52

Thank you @EllaDisenchanted that's great to hear

Depdawg · 30/11/2023 09:54

To use human beings as bargaining tools
Is just plain wrong.
negotiating as though these people
are just pawns in a game.

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 09:57

News reporting that the two bedouin siblings Aisha and Belal are to be released today

Oh thank goodness.

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 09:59

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 08:11

8 to be released today, as they decided to count yesterdays two Russians as Israelis. Original list refused by Israel as not all hostages were alive on the list. 2 sets of child siblings remain, kfir and Ariel, and aisha and her brother.

meanwhile we have had a deadly terrorist shooting attack at a bus stop at the entrance to Jerusalem. Death count so far is 3, and 9 injured, 5 seriously. Terrorists were shot at the scene, and their car was found loaded with hundreds of bullets. A few news sites I’ve seen say there were affiliated with Hamas

Jerusalem post: “The two terrorists were identified as Murad and Ebrahim Nemer, brothers from Sur Baher in east Jerusalem who were affiliated with the Hamas terrorist movement. Murad was imprisoned in Israel from 2010-2020 due to his intention to conduct terrorist operations in Gaza and Ebrahim was imprisoned in 2014 due to terrorist activity.”

victims so far are rabbi elimelech wasserman, 73, a woman (either 50 or 60, have seen both ages) and a young girl (seen reports saying 16 and some saying 24).

The 24 year old was Livia Dickman, and the other lady named was Chana Ifergan, the principal of a school in my city.

This bus stop is one my husband has used before when commuting for work and was bombed last year, two people murdered including a 16 year old schoolboy.

Reports of sirens up north as well.

Still nothing about whether the terrorists were released in previous deal.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 10:07

@EllaDisenchanted how frightening
You must be really shaken up as its so close to home. I pray you are OK 💗
So many innocent lives tragically lost

Iwantcakeeveryday · 30/11/2023 10:12

I hope you're ok @EllaDisenchanted and thank you to everyone for the updates.

Zoflorabore · 30/11/2023 10:24

@EllaDisenchanted sorry I must’ve missed where you said you are in Israel, is that correct?

do you feel safe? I can’t stop thinking about the situation and being so grateful where I live. Had to give my head a wobble earlier as was panicking as got no money until tomorrow when dp gets paid and I need to buy x/y/z and I felt so thoroughly ashamed of myself when I’m safe, warm and have a roof over my head.

I have never had such little faith in humanity as I do right now. Surely there is no lower these people can sink? I hope that karma gets to them soon.

Depdawg · 30/11/2023 10:32

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 09:57

News reporting that the two bedouin siblings Aisha and Belal are to be released today

Oh thank goodness.

Wonderful.

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 11:11

@Zoflorabore yes I am in Israel, we moved from the UK in 2022. Today I feel very numb and emotionally drained. I cried a lot last night, it will probably hit me later.

Safe - it's hard to answer, the first weeks after October 7th were traumatic. I mainly worried about my kids and keeping them safe, we were so on edge and on heightened alert, and the rockets seemed to happen every time we I ventured out. But it is impossible to sustain that level of high alert physically, and somehow you compartmentalise and you pick up and carry on. I still jump at every loud motorcycle (they sound like sirens) and boom though, and I frequently scan the skies when I walk. Struggling to focus on work as well.

There have been terror attacks all year this year. I am buying my younger kids dumb phones which I said I would never do (they're happy about that at least!), and I think it is highly likely there will be barrages of rockets once the ceasefire is over, so I am going to try restock the safe room. I don't feel safe, but I also don't think about it. I can't think, or I would be paralysed. I am grateful I live in an area that is not as heavily targeted.

One of my grandmothers lived through Kristallnacht, and then her family escaped to London, where they went through the Blitz. She died recently and she left a suitcase which included her school reports and some of her exercise books. This will out me to my family, but anyway, I was reading through her one of her essays and she wrote about music and complained about her brother endlessly practicing (he was a musician), her report cards had a lot of comments like 'if attendance was better...', her geography maps were beautifully drawn and coloured, and it struck me how ordinary her life was, while war raged on. Her Aunty's house was bombed, life was definitely not normal, but on some level, they got up, and they carried on.

Don't feel ashamed @Zoflorabore, times are hard, and one difficulty does not negate another.

Thanks everyone for your concern ❤

Depdawg · 30/11/2023 11:28

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 11:11

@Zoflorabore yes I am in Israel, we moved from the UK in 2022. Today I feel very numb and emotionally drained. I cried a lot last night, it will probably hit me later.

Safe - it's hard to answer, the first weeks after October 7th were traumatic. I mainly worried about my kids and keeping them safe, we were so on edge and on heightened alert, and the rockets seemed to happen every time we I ventured out. But it is impossible to sustain that level of high alert physically, and somehow you compartmentalise and you pick up and carry on. I still jump at every loud motorcycle (they sound like sirens) and boom though, and I frequently scan the skies when I walk. Struggling to focus on work as well.

There have been terror attacks all year this year. I am buying my younger kids dumb phones which I said I would never do (they're happy about that at least!), and I think it is highly likely there will be barrages of rockets once the ceasefire is over, so I am going to try restock the safe room. I don't feel safe, but I also don't think about it. I can't think, or I would be paralysed. I am grateful I live in an area that is not as heavily targeted.

One of my grandmothers lived through Kristallnacht, and then her family escaped to London, where they went through the Blitz. She died recently and she left a suitcase which included her school reports and some of her exercise books. This will out me to my family, but anyway, I was reading through her one of her essays and she wrote about music and complained about her brother endlessly practicing (he was a musician), her report cards had a lot of comments like 'if attendance was better...', her geography maps were beautifully drawn and coloured, and it struck me how ordinary her life was, while war raged on. Her Aunty's house was bombed, life was definitely not normal, but on some level, they got up, and they carried on.

Don't feel ashamed @Zoflorabore, times are hard, and one difficulty does not negate another.

Thanks everyone for your concern ❤

Thank you for writing that.
I get the feeling that also helped you
share your ordeal. It makes most of us
Feel relieved at our sense of ordinary lives.
Sholom.

XRAYTHIS · 30/11/2023 11:43

EllaDisenchanted · 30/11/2023 11:11

@Zoflorabore yes I am in Israel, we moved from the UK in 2022. Today I feel very numb and emotionally drained. I cried a lot last night, it will probably hit me later.

Safe - it's hard to answer, the first weeks after October 7th were traumatic. I mainly worried about my kids and keeping them safe, we were so on edge and on heightened alert, and the rockets seemed to happen every time we I ventured out. But it is impossible to sustain that level of high alert physically, and somehow you compartmentalise and you pick up and carry on. I still jump at every loud motorcycle (they sound like sirens) and boom though, and I frequently scan the skies when I walk. Struggling to focus on work as well.

There have been terror attacks all year this year. I am buying my younger kids dumb phones which I said I would never do (they're happy about that at least!), and I think it is highly likely there will be barrages of rockets once the ceasefire is over, so I am going to try restock the safe room. I don't feel safe, but I also don't think about it. I can't think, or I would be paralysed. I am grateful I live in an area that is not as heavily targeted.

One of my grandmothers lived through Kristallnacht, and then her family escaped to London, where they went through the Blitz. She died recently and she left a suitcase which included her school reports and some of her exercise books. This will out me to my family, but anyway, I was reading through her one of her essays and she wrote about music and complained about her brother endlessly practicing (he was a musician), her report cards had a lot of comments like 'if attendance was better...', her geography maps were beautifully drawn and coloured, and it struck me how ordinary her life was, while war raged on. Her Aunty's house was bombed, life was definitely not normal, but on some level, they got up, and they carried on.

Don't feel ashamed @Zoflorabore, times are hard, and one difficulty does not negate another.

Thanks everyone for your concern ❤

💐sending thoughts and best wishes
Hoping for a peaceful solution 🙏

StarbucksSmarterSister · 30/11/2023 13:31

I have just read that Shani Louk’s boyfriend, 30 year old Mexican tourist Orión Hernández Radoux, is one of the captives held by Hamas.

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Depdawg · 30/11/2023 13:48

StarbucksSmarterSister · 30/11/2023 13:31

I have just read that Shani Louk’s boyfriend, 30 year old Mexican tourist Orión Hernández Radoux, is one of the captives held by Hamas.

Helplessness for him all ways round.
Very sad.

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 13:52

He might have no idea of what happened to her, and will have to endure that additional trauma and heartbreak if released.

Depdawg · 30/11/2023 13:54

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 13:52

He might have no idea of what happened to her, and will have to endure that additional trauma and heartbreak if released.

Hoping that he doesn't know, Cat.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 30/11/2023 14:42

SomeCatFromJapan · 30/11/2023 13:52

He might have no idea of what happened to her, and will have to endure that additional trauma and heartbreak if released.

He'll be devastated when he finds out. They truly are vile.

Meanwhile there are reports that they are now saying the two Russo-Israelis released last night as a gesture to Putin should actually count towards today.

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 30/11/2023 15:11

Two handed over to the Red Cross

Mia Shem 21 ( did hostage video a while back, had been shot) and Amit Soussana, 40.

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Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 15:12

Two Israeli hostages have been released and are now with the red cross
Doesn't mention names but suggests they are two women

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 15:13

@StarbucksSmarterSister sorry cross posted