People tearing down posters of Israeli hostages - what is this supposed to convey?

[WilmaWonka]

Just seen another article about someone tearing down posters of kidnapped Israelis.

This time an apparently well known ‘feminist’ artist who stated that she was ‘getting rid of the shit’.

Posters of civilian women and children, many who’ve seen family members murdered horrifically in front of them and are being held captive by the very people who carried out those atrocities, experiencing god knows what horrors in captivity. There can’t be a logical expectation that a government that carried out brutal murders, gang rapes, mutilation, and burnt babies and children alive would be treating them humanely!

Obviously that’s her reason for doing so and there’s been many other videos and reports of people in the UK and other countries doing the same quite openly. I’m quite old and I’ve never seen anything like this in my life before.

Would this be happening if they weren’t Israelis?

Do these people not understand that the barbaric murders and kidnapping of Israelis was the reason this war started in the first place, do they think these kidnappings are fake news?

Are they trying to convey that these kidnappings don’t matter as the Palestinians have been held in an ‘open air prison’, in total ignorance of why Israel had to blockade itself from them for the protection of its civilians?

Really can’t get my head around it.

I think some people (wrongly) see it as saying 'Don't feel sorry for the Palestinians, feel sorry for the Israelis!' - personally I think we should be allowed to think of and remember both and however much a person might, quite right IMO, hate Israel's stance, there's no reason to be hateful about the victims of Hamas while you're at it.

Largely people do not think the hostages are the reason the war started, the only ones thinking that are trying to ignore the last 75 years of conflict.
I've no idea why this would be a feminist matter?
Would this happen if they weren't Israelis?
Can't say for sure, but I assume any country that has a track record of Israel's would probably be viewed the same.

You are right that this is only happening because they are Israelis.

But more widely it’s part of this disgusting modern idea that people ‘weaponise’ their trauma. Anyone who thinks like that has lost their humanity.

But if you want to understand how things like the holocaust happen, look no further than this. When you so dehumanize a group of people that you can tear down posters of hostages after a brutal racist massacre involving torture, rape and murder of babies, children, women and men. If you care so little about the community this has happened to that you would tear down those posters, and still think you are the good guy, then you have one of the personality types and psychologies that leads to holocausts happening.

Yes, absolutely.

It's something neither side should do in the UK. A guarantee of conflict.

"Do these people not understand that the barbaric murders and kidnapping of Israelis was the reason this war started in the first place, do they think these kidnappings are fake news?"

You really can't be serious with that comment? Aside from whether or not the posters shouldn't be displayed, I don't know why that woman tore them down.

But your ignorance about "the start of this war" is remarkable.

That reminds me, some Holocaust scholars (and one is a survivor too) are saying that the Holocaust is being weaponized by Israel in order to justify the atrocities it is committing.

And I agree that weaponizing trauma is never helpful or reparitive.

This appalling post is the mentality I was talking about in my post.

It's because the rape, torture, murder and ongoing torture of the ones who managed to survive (hostages) matter not one jot to a certain type of pro-Palestinian supporter. In fact these innocents (including babies) not only don't deserve to have posters up, they brought it on themselves ... that includes the under 1 year olds.

“I prefer the narrative of Palestine is a totally, victimised and oppressed country/society and all those posters of helpless children, elderly women and men who are incapable of defending themselves doesn’t support that so we need to get them ripped down pronto!”

Or the shorter version “I don’t give a shit about Jews!”

What's appalling about it? You asked a question as to why people might do this and I'm giving you a perspective.

Anyone saying that is a despicable.

Jewish people have a legitimate reason for wanting a homeland of their own due to the millennia of murder and persecution they have faced in countries across the world.

My point is the opposite.

ny point is that if you accuse people of ‘weaponising’ their trauma you have lost your humanity.

Its a particularly vile way of not having to hear truths your ideology cannot cope with.

No I didn’t.

They weren't talking about the homeland. They were saying it wrt to Israel's ongoing oppression regime against Palestinians.

Wow, some responses on here are something else. Yes, OP, this is why only happens because hostages are Israeli. No, would not happen to any other nation. Some people (including UN it seems) believe that Israeli women and children are less important and that their deaths and suffering is somehow doesn't mater and even offensive, how dare they weaponise their trauma. I sometimes despair. And yes, explains why so many supported Hitler's ideology.

Apologies, you asked what does this convey? Do people believe the kidnappings are fake? No, I don't think they do, but many might feel that we shouldn't have sympathy for individuals of a state that has historically oppressed a much weaker people. Is it right? No.

Not that I think it's a right thing to do

But I could imagine some people being upset that the Israel hostages get so much coverage and those held illegally by Israel get none at all

I thought this when reading the headline about hostage release which sense actually to be an exchange of people

I don't really understand the ripping down of the kidnapped Israeli posters - the right wing media just seem to hang onto it and use that as an excuse to badmouth the protests or anyone who supports Palestine. Its frustrating because the main cause isn't being listened to!

But I also find it confusing how people can think because someone is being held hostage that it justifies flattening entire neighbourhoods and killing innocent civilians who also have no way to escape? Get some intelligence and find Hamas through that, not blindly bombing babies.... it doesn't look good to anyone with any kind of humanity!

Can someone actually explain to me how its the same??

To be fair the Israeli government don't seem to care much. The families are speaking out about how they feel so let down and abandoned.

I've seen the same for pro Palestinian posters in Shepherds Bush, and inside the underpass anti Islamic spray paint.

The posters by St Mary's hospital have also been torn down.

It doesn't make the press though.

Netanyahu made it clear it is not about the hostages. He said the war will continue after the hostages are released. And yes, it does nothing to support the rhetoric that Israel is a civil state.

Jewish people have a legitimate reason for wanting a homeland of their own due to the millennia of murder and persecution they have faced in countries across the world.

Yes nothing wrong with wanting a state of your own. No one is debating that. But it shouldn't be at the expense of the Palestinians rightful homeland. Jewish people out of all people should know how this felt like and yet they're the ones doing it to someone else this time. It beggars belief why this can't be seen.

And no I'm not painting all Jewish people with the same brush, I'm well aware there are those who oppose Netanyahu and his government. And I am in no way saying that I am against Jews. They are people of the book and to be respected the same as anyone else. I am against Netanyahu and his government. And there are plenty of Zionist who support him too.

I just couldn't imagine it happening in reverse.

If posters were put up of Palestinians- missing and under the rubble maybe? I can't think ANYONE would rip them down. So.. why is it ok if they're Israeli ?

Answer is ... It's NOT.