A Textbook Case of Genocide

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It's been very clear from the start that Israel -through rhetoric, tactics, etc.- intended to commit the crime of genocide in Gaza.

This is so obvious now that there's absolutely no excuse to say otherwise.

Yet, shockingly, I see some posters on Mumsnet still disputing that fact, even after the best and most experienced experts in the field of genocide studies in the world confirmed it unequivocally to be so.

So, here are some links explaining in simple terms how what's been happening in Gaza is a textbook case of genocide:

A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

By Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Stockton University and the endowed professor in the study of modern genocide.
(Note: this scholar is Jewish Israeli)

Here's another article in the Los Angeles Times where you can read the report of three leading Holocaust and genocide studies scholars: Victoria Sanford, Barry Trachtenberg and John Cox.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-11-19/israel-hostages-gaza-bombing-civilians-genocide-holocaust-studies

And for those who prefer it, here's an interview with Raz Segal where he explains the situation.

@Ibizafun ok... conveniently ignoring the white phosphorous used on children, the daily slaughter of innocent civilians, children sent to prison for throwing stones aged just 5, etc etc etc

Just a few random examples for you:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

“One of the Israeli officers who came, approached me and kicked me on my left side, then jumped on my head with his two legs pushing my face further into the dirt and then continued kicking me as I was head down, into the dirt, with my hands tied behind my back. He then got a knife and tore all of my clothes off except for my underwear and used part of my torn clothes to blindfold me. The beating to the rest of my body did not stop, at one point he started jumping on my back – three or four times – while yelling ‘die, die you trash’ … in the end before this finally stopped, another officer urinated on my face and body while also yelling at us ‘to die’.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

Two year old toddler shot:

Children killed by IDF:

Use of white phosphorous

https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/25/rain-fire/israels-unlawful-use-white-phosphorus-gaza

Children tortured

https://www.omct.org/en/resources/urgent-interventions/israel-palestinian-children-still-being-tortured-in-israeli-prisons

Rape:

In the Tantura documentary, Israeli soldiers bragging to crimes in which is raping a 16 year old girl:

https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/17f7ya1/in_the_tantura_documentary_israeli_soldiers/

Restabove I can see no further point in engaging with you.

You mention breaking into homes...

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2023/israel-home-invasions-palestine-in-the-dead-of-night/

Almost every night, between midnight and 5am, the Israeli army breaks into Palestinian homes across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Armed to the teeth and often masked, the soldiers arrive in groups of 10 to 100-plus and force their way into homes, sometimes blowing the door open.
All family members - children to elderly people - are awoken and held at gunpoint as soldiers destroy their home and search, interrogate, beat and photograph them, among other things.

The truth is hard to accept isn't it.

Restabove very far from it, but I can see very clearly who I am engaging with here and it is absolutely pointless

@restabove thank you for the well articulated and informative posts

I couldn't open this link
Is there somewhere else I can view this please

The problems are so deep seated. As a total outsider, both sides seem ridiculous, both sides seem to have been brainwashed into anger and hatred.

The Palestinians aren’t that popular with their neighbours - Why? Yes, lives are being lost but at the end of the day there seems to still be a lot of support for Hamas. Except for the very young, there is no innocence.

Or are Palestinians actually questioning Hamas?

Thank you @restabove
What Hamas did was appalling but we’re being asked to believe that the trouble and violence and barbarity is all coming from one side. Which is simply not true.

And until both sides can accept this and engage, there will be no moving forward.

Hi @Parkingt111 I will try to find a way to PM you the video. I can't find it on other channels for some reason

Israel have always gone into homes, the west Bank anyone? And the prisoners are not there for trying to murder, its because they are Palestinian and so might potentially be a danger, no trials. Ibiza you are so so far from the documented reality, why?

exactly and as the PP showed when they refused to acknowledge any of the IDF atrocities, settler atrocities etc it was a clear example as to how much people will put their fingers in their ears

@Hippodogamus "Except for the very young, there is no innocence."

Complete rubbish! How can you honestly say this. Utterly racist.

THANKYOU @restabove
Many of us are already aware of the atrocities and terror committed against the Palestinian people at the hands of the idf.
@Thereissomelight you are right, the trouble and barbarity is not coming from one side, but it needs to be put out there that’s the atrocities from the idf and Israeli government have not just been happening since the October attacks. The atrocities, beatings and illegal imprisonment is and has been a part of everyday life for Palestinians. The only thing new is the indiscriminate bombing, which isn’t that new as it was only a few years ago they were in yet another war with Israeli because of something Hamas did.

Well the Jews of Israel have tried questioned their government as to why they are murdering Palestinians indiscriminately. Not every Israeli supports the Israeli government’s actions, yet they are beaten and silenced by the idf. So many jews in Israel have tried protesting, but they’ve been subjected to violent beatings.
What makes you think that the Palestinians can dare question Hamas? Hamas haven’t taken the consent or permission from the ordinary Palestinian civilians that you think they will listen to them.

You're saying that the civilian population is "not innocent" so presumably it's reasonable for Israel to kill them all.

This is genocidal rhetoric and is utterly depraved and disgusting.

It’s a bit like saying that the victims of Hamas, support the oppression and occupation of Palestine so deserved to die. The war should be between Hamas and the idf. Not civilians from either side. Israeli and Palestinian civilians are innocent, you can’t have one without the other. They don’t represent the 2 groups leading the fight.

Neither side has the moral high ground here.
They need to stop murdering civilians on both sides.

@SamphireAndSalmon agree violence should stop on both sides.

Both sides should have equal human rights, freedom of movement, freedom of trade, secure homes and land, stolen land returned, oppression of citizens stopped, respect for each other.

Exactly

Yes but genocide isn't common. Every war isn't a genocide thank goodness. But what Israel is doing in Gaza now is genocide and ethnic cleansing.

The 7 October attack was a new level of barbarity. To suggest that anything Israel has done is equivalent is, frankly, depraved. Noone says violence comes from only one side. Of course not. There is opposition within Israel to some things that the current government does and says in terms of levels of violence and repression because it is a nation that is constantly under attack, and threat of annhilation. BUT opposition happens because it is a democracy. Yesterday 2 Palestinians were lynched and mutilated by their own people for 'collaboration'.

What nonsense. Things aren't the worst atrocities that have ever happened just because the victims were Israeli. They don't have a monopoly on suffering.

If you aren't absolutely horrified by what Israel is doing in Gaza right now then there's something wrong with you.

Israel has done equivalent, and on a much bigger scale! How can you so blindly support them??!! Hamas is an evil, terrorist organisation and what they did on October 7th was despicable and monstrous. Most people are not disputing that, and they need to be bought to justice, but the actions of Israel (not just since but going back years!) is appalling and monstrous as well. They’ve dehumanised, tortured, and murdered Palestinians for years, I’ll never forget that photo from 23 years ago where a 9 year old boy threw a stone at a tank and they shot him in the neck, then shot at anyone who tried to approach him to help so he was left to bleed out and die alone. A child!

They’ve murdered over 6,000 children and babies alone in the past 7 weeks, literally melted the flesh from their bones with white phosphorus bombs! Anyone who condones that is depraved to their core! I’ve seen the most horrific videos of toddlers with their skin and flesh melted off of their faces from these bombs, babies burnt to just a charred lump of meat. People who say they stand with Israel are saying they support that? It’s sick!