"Fact or Fiction: Israel needs fake nurses to justify killing Gaza babies" (Opinion Piece)

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I posted this article earlier on a thread about misinformation, but thought it important enough to warrant having its own thread as it can help people not familiar with media studies and the intricacies of information warfare to understand better the current events.

It's a very interesting, long and detailed analysis by the academic Dr Marc Owen Jones, about what's happening right now in Gaza.

I find that the author explains excellently well how Israel is trying to keep control of the false narrative regarding Gaza and Palestine in general. I urge anyone interested to read the whole piece as I copied parts only of the analysis.

May I kindly ask anyone not to derail the thread and to keep the discussion respectful. Please report any offensive posts to @MNHQ.

Fact or Fiction: Israel needs fake nurses to justify killing Gaza babies

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/11/17/fact-or-fiction-israel-needs-fake-nurses-to-justify-killing-gaza-babies

Here are some excerpts (highlights mine):

Israel knows it risks losing global support over its slaughter of children. So it’s turning to social media disinformation that’s sloppy but often effective.

In Gaza, a child is killed every 10 minutes. Since October 7, Israel has killed more than 4,000 children. Now, premature babies at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital are dying because the institution is out of power after over a month of Israel’s siege, and so is unable to operate incubators.

Israel knows it risks losing international support for its ongoing slaughter of children.

As a result, Israel’s propaganda and disinformation machine is finding new ways to justify the killing of children and the bombing of medical facilities.

Usually, Israel’s first response to accusations of atrocities is denial. When that fails, the second strategy is to blame Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups for Palestinian deaths.

It hasn’t given up on those strategies, but is also trying to directly link Palestinian children to Hamas, and thereby seek to portray them – and the places where they are sheltering – as legitimate targets.

20 years ago, anonymous U.S. intelligence sources and unverified claims by the media helped fuel a war that ravaged on for decades - a war that would later prove to be built on lies. We are now witnessing the same patterns repeating themselves in the media when it comes to Gaza. Are the hospital "command centers" the new WMDs?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czux546AX-i/?igshid=ZWI2YzEzYmMxYg==

No one is denying the 7/10 @Lamelie & @ayegazumba

That’s exactly what is happening on this thread- I’ll scroll up in the hope it’s been deleted but there are links to theories that 7/Oct was a false flag/ no one died event.

By who ? Who linked these ?

Thanks OP. Israeli President Herzog was on Laura Kuenssberg’s show last Sunday where he held up a copy of Mein Kampf allegedly written in Arabic with notes by Hamas, this was found in a children’s living area according to him. He didn’t open it just showed the front of it. This went completely unchallenged by Laura K and I was shocked at how he was allowed to say whatever he wanted to without being fact checked. Anyone can pick up a book and claim all sorts are written in it. Zero evidence. Later in the week a BBC news report sounded weary and sceptical as they showed footage of IDF soldiers carrying boxes into Al Shifa with clear English stating ‘Medical Supplies’, the reporter pointed out that it was in English rather than Arabic or Hebrew as if to prove to the world they were helping not killing. It’s all a huge ploy by the Israeli’s to decimate Palestine under the guise of looking for Hamas. We’ll keep looking as they are not hiding underneath Al Shifa in tunnels, a ridiculous notion from the outset.

The apparent list from 2014
The Instagram posts
The real news
The fdd link- all have sensationalist headlines suggesting false flag/ exaggerated although the evidence is scanty or for eg: forensics can’t confirm the numbers.
Again you’re either useful idiots or something more sinister.

The irony of people on this thread talking of Israel's 'propaganda', not realising they're actually regurgitating propaganda from Hamas.

So much for critical thinking eh?

"know that 780 civilians as declared by Haaretz were killed on 7/10. What I am rightly questioning (as should you if you are Israeli) is how many were killed by Israeli defence given 200 were admittedly..."

Are you also questioning the number of dead that Hamas is reporting? Or is it just the Israeli figures you're questioning?

Please refrain from insults when you reply to my posts lamelie , again I have not linked anything that has not been published in Israeli Media , if you don’t like the news by all means take it with them not me,

The news isn't coming from us @Lamelie. We don't make it up and we're not journalists. You do know that right? It's things that have been reported. We can't help it if you don't like it.
But just to reiterate. We are not denying 7/10.

This is from Haaretz which I understand is an Israeli source.
780 non combatants were killed. I have linked the source for you.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

What a strange place for IDF to set up a military base. Inside the very hospital they tried to convince the world they were bombing as it was the Hamas HQ.

Idiots, liars, murderers.

I saw an interview today with Gideon Levy, a journalist with Haaretz. He said the vast amount of Israelis don't know what is happening in Gaza, they only know the propaganda. Then another video came on autoplay, it was a man interviewing Israelis in the street asking them what they thought of the conflict etc. Nearly all of them said that Palestinian children are full of hate and "they need to be taught how to be like us - full of love".

This is so tragic in this day and age to have all this knowledge at your fingertips but be keeping your head in the sand. Especially when you already know and accept your own leader is being charged with corruption and is a liar, you still believe so blindly.

i really think that until the information of how many Israeli people Israel’s own forces killed on 7/10 comes out pro Israeli ppl will keep their head in the sand. The death of Palestinians means nothing to them. Unfortunately they are numbed to it, it needs to be clear. To be honest it’s definitely not a small number given they got all the Hamas guys and they were using them as hostages and human shields as is their approach.

Thoughts of Oct 7th being a false flag have been bothering me for days now.

Netanyahu won't even agree to meet and talk with the families that have missing relatives. Yet he's using their relatives as the very reason to commit genocide.

There definitely something hugely amiss about this.

Why are the Israeli's that have family missing protesting at their own government? I think its because they think there's something amiss too.

@notsoready4school I suggest reading the blog post I shared above. Might help with understanding a little bit more.
I'm not coming back to reply to this thread again as as I said it's been making me sick. The blind hatred of Israel, reserved only for Israel and not for terrorists or other states, the holocaust denial like comments and links. What is going on in the world? And for those who reluctantly admit October 7th happened, I mean I wonder if hamas, an organisation or gleefully beheaded babies would hide underneath a hospital? Surely not? Too far right? when Hamas say Israel launched a rocket at a hospital, outrage. Low and behold not Israel. Israel say Hamas hide under hospitals, they prove it, they take us down there, they show the footage, the tunnels, the weapons. LIARS! I can't fathom believing everything a terrorist organisation says but a democratic country. No. I'm not saying there's no propaganda coming from pro -Israel side, I'm saying the one sided critique of the whole situation is just steeped in ant semitism. Deny that all you want but if you can't give a proper reason and explanation as to why you think like that maybe you could possibly be just a tiny teeny bit antisemitic. Just a little mind

😤Shocking, isn't it. They are so used to that rhetoric that many of them believe it.

Israel has always made it a priority to dehumanise Palestinians to silence their voice and delegitimise their claims. In. Every. Possible. Way.

You seem really blind/naive to what Israel are doing. Yes people can make mistakes but they've fallen flat on their face so many times with their obvious propaganda it's hard to count and hard to believe.

Being anti Israel doesn't equate to being anti semitic at all and no one is saying anything against or has a problem with Jewish people.

What we do have is a problem with the Israeli government and their inhumane mistreatment of the Palestinian people.

I’m afraid that there is little that can be trusted in this situation. I’m not watching and reading for two reasons- I don’t trust anything anyone accuses other people of and I wouldn’t be able to forget the images and descriptions I read.

I find the revelling in gore and brutality hard to understand. Why watch unless you have to?

I do believe the information released about people’s own behaviour. So when Hamas release celebratory videos of atrocity, I believe them. They carried out and then celebrated brutal atrocities.

We will eventually learn the truth about Israel’s actions. I judge it as war, and know that there will have been war crimes that they will be accountable for.

Beyond that we have no jurisdiction. I don’t understand why we are demonstrating, remonstrating, beating our breast about this war and it’s atrocities more than any other war. A friend would say it’s racism, that we care more about both sides in this conflict than we do about the children in Africa. We’ve written off parts of Africa as a place where atrocity and chaos is the norm and can be ignored.

It's the scale of death and suffering in such a short timescale that has shocked the world.

It isn't because it Israel. It's because in the first 3 weeks more children died than in ALL the world's conflicts for a whole year! The last 3 years running!

More UN aid workers killed than in any other conflict ever since its formation.

I abhor what Hamas did on 7/10 and yes they use human shields but so do many, many others in conflicts around the world.

We have never seen such a scale indescriminate killing and collective suffering in our lifetimes and its supported by my government.

That's why I cant look away and remain silent.

I think we will know the truth, but nothing will be done about it 😢.

And I'm sick of people (who of course are pro Israeli) questioning why we are watching? As if being concerned with humanity (or is it because they are Palestinians?) is something to be rebutted? I have never seen anyone when talking about atrocities in any other country saying we shouldn't be looking/we are obsessed with the issue/it's not our war etc. It's just another way to try to deflect and pathologize concern for Palestinians.

Hear hear.

This is what I mean about no point talking to these people. This poster is still talking about beheaded babies and the ‘evidence’ shown by Israel re the hospital. Every news outlet in the world is querying that ‘evidence’ even the pro Israeli ones.

Crawl out from under a rock!

I don’t understand why we are demonstrating, remonstrating, beating our breast about this war and it’s atrocities more than any other war.

Because our government have stated that they support the invasion of Gaza, they support war. That's why I am angry. I do not support war. Not in my name.

Also, the people of Gaza are trapped - they cannot flee. In almost all other wars people can run away from the horror. In Gaza they are kettled and being forcibly abused in the most horrific way. There is no escape.

I watch because I will bear witness. I refuse to look away when fellow humans are being tortured. I refuse to pretend it's not happening. I refuse to justify it with the acts of a few extremists. If you blow a child's limbs off with a bomb - you did it - not Hamas.

It sickens and haunts me - and so it should. The world should be forced to acknowledge what Israel are doing to human beings. A government, not a terrorist cell - a government. It's sick.