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Suella sacked

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Ohlalalalala · 13/11/2023 09:02

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has sacked the home secretary, Suella Braverman, following days of speculation over her future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

Suella Braverman updates: Home secretary sacked as home secretary - BBC News

Suella Braverman has been sacked from her role as home secretary, following days of speculation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

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jgw1 · 14/11/2023 08:16

Itllbefine6 · 14/11/2023 07:03

I was confused by the marching comments. Which marches in Northern Ireland was she referring to? Early on in the conflict there were marches on the loyalist side of paramilitary organisations that were at first allowed, but later banned when they got involved in terrorism. The Orange Order do love to march, and are very sectarian, however most lodges would chuck anybody out who was overtly supporting terrorism - that's not what they're about.

I think the Sinn Fein spokesperson summed it up rather well when they said something along the lines of Braverman was demonstrating that she knew as much about Northern Ireland as she does about Palestine.

Braverman did though achieve the remarkable trick of uniting all the parties in NI in being utterly baffled by her comments.

Itllbefine6 · 14/11/2023 08:23

jgw1 · 14/11/2023 08:16

I think the Sinn Fein spokesperson summed it up rather well when they said something along the lines of Braverman was demonstrating that she knew as much about Northern Ireland as she does about Palestine.

Braverman did though achieve the remarkable trick of uniting all the parties in NI in being utterly baffled by her comments.

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It's these sorts of comments that maje me question unionism. The part I come from is very British, nobody's really interested in leaving the union. But, from a pragmatic point of view, that might begin to change. Now that Ireland is a prosperous, secular state, being run by people who can find Ulster on a map begins to look more appealing!

kimberleybimberley · 14/11/2023 08:27

They're all a bunch of self serving thieves anyway so who cares?

Passepartoute · 14/11/2023 09:27

Johnson and Truss feeling important on Sunday. Surely there is a way to dissolve that Truss was PM to stop her appearing again and to stop her getting the payments.

I don't know why Truss turns up to these things, she must surely be aware that she's only embarrassing herself. The whole country is going "WTF is she doing there?".

Standingchair1 · 14/11/2023 18:49

There was virtually zero trouble during the protests , so looks like you and your friend Suella got it completely wrong.

Standingchair1 · 14/11/2023 18:51
  1. Which country’s democratic system do you prefer? and
  2. Why don’t you go and live there?
Standingchair1 · 14/11/2023 19:01

American politician scientist and International scholar? Well if he’s so clever why doesn’t he get a proper job?

Standingchair1 · 14/11/2023 19:02

he has just a peered - from nowhere.

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Ohlalalalala · 14/11/2023 19:22

BelleHathor · 14/11/2023 08:15

Yes, It is about hope.

On that I watched a wonderful discussion with Professor John Mearsheimer (an American political scientist and international relations scholar who belongs to the realist school of thought) the other day about this conflict and other conflicts. Some highlights below:

  • The first 10 minutes is about the US China detente (relations have been strained since Bidens inauguration) and how it signals the acknowledgement by America that it can't fight wars on 3 fronts, Ukraine, Gaza and Taiwan.

  • What was needed from the US was to cool them down, instead Biden ran over to Israel and gave Netanyahu carte blanch to act in any way he wanted.

  • Mearsheimer knows many strong supporters of Israel who are currently deeply depressed as they know Israel can't defeat Hamas in a short time and public opinion will change.

  • Need a political solution, but impossible to see.

  • Mearsheimer at 30 mins: before October 7th Israel was effectively an apartheid state. In Israeli media it is common to call it apartheid, only controversial to say that
    In Western countries.
    Problem is since Oct 7th that fact has become common knowledge and Israel isn't able to manage the image anymore. Turning the Israeli world upside down.

  • The world now sees the problem and will be looking for a solution meaning no return to the status quo. Once you start talking about how to solve it the issue of Apartheid and occupation comes to the fore causing enormous problems for the Israelis.

  • How are different countries going to react? US, Russia, China, EU etc. Aka will the US continue to get away with feigning negotiations by offering the Palestinians crappy deals or will the BRICS nations force a framework for actual effective negotiations.

  • The last 40 mins the talk changes to Ukraine and the state of that conflict. Mearsheimer was prescient in a lecture he gave in 2015 where he cautioned that “the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.”
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-C-G0aBcwY&t=2678s

Looks very interesting. Thanks for sharing and especially for summarising the content!

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BelleHathor · 14/11/2023 21:20

@Ohlalalalala Absolutely no problem at all. Hope that you enjoy it!
Mearsheimer is essentially a good egg, he opposed the 2nd Iraq war and stopped getting invited to be interviewed by the MSM, as he refused to beat the war drum.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/59437/an-unnecessary-war
(Article from 2003).

An unnecessary war

Saddam Hussein is deemed reckless, ruthless and not fully rational. But his past dealings show him to be eminently deterrable

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/59437/an-unnecessary-war

upinaballoon · 14/11/2023 21:35

I didn't think that Biden 'gave Netanyahu carte blanche to do whatever he wanted to'. I think I heard him say that he supports Israel's right to exist and to defend itself, but that retaliation in rage was something to think twice about, because it hadn't worked well after 9/11.

BelleHathor · 14/11/2023 22:20

Most of the Western leaders did, as they ran over to Israel to show support.

"After speaking to President Biden, Netanyahu reported back that Western leaders had “promised Israel would have freedom of action to continue this battle.” No official U.S. statement has directly urged Israel to show restraint. "
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4252111-do-not-give-carte-blanche-to-netanyahu/
Or

Accusing Hamas of launching a “cruel and evil war,” the premier said that US President Joe Biden and other world leaders he had spoken with had “promised Israel would have freedom of action to continue this battle.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/promising-merciless-war-on-hamas-netanyahu-says-israel-will-avenge-this-black-day/

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu attends the weekly cabinet meeting at the prime minister's office in Jerusalem, Israel, Sunday, July 30, 2023. (Abir Sultan/Pool Photo via AP)

Do not give carte blanche to Netanyahu 

Ethnic cleansing has many warning signs.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4252111-do-not-give-carte-blanche-to-netanyahu

bakebeans · 14/11/2023 22:21

She's like a woman scorned! I wonder if something has occurred between the two of them?

Aliceinnorthernland · 15/11/2023 04:55

I think it's clear she wouldn't touch Rishi with a bargepole. She's after his job, not him. Nice to see you reduce a woman:s motives to being a reaction to not getting a man though.🤔 I don't agree with her, but I can see that she's ruthlessly ambitious and very smart, far from a 'woman scorned.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 18/11/2023 18:24

What she is, is wasting her time. Nobody cares about the issue like she does.

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