Suella sacked

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Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has sacked the home secretary, Suella Braverman, following days of speculation over her future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421

Talking sense as in recognising that the police are not protecting people on our streets, by allowing the intimidation and antisemitic chants to take place on our streets every Saturday. Good on her to say what the majority think (minus MN posters of course...) Can you not even imagine how it must be for the Jewish community in London to be prisoners in their own homes because the police are not intervening? There is no confidence in their ability to protect the citizens of the UK currently.

I am not entirely clear from your answer, do you think the former Home Secretary was talking sense when she was urging the Met Police Commisioner to break the law last week?

Behave. You know she did not urge the Met to break the law. She criticised how the police dealt with the protests, which broke ministerial law as her statement was not signed off by the Government. She gave her opinion, which is not illegal (yet). Its fact that a thousand police on the streets cannot adequately police the actions of 100k people. If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

How many people have been arrested or are been requested by the police for the pro Palestinian marches in the last few weeks? If our 1m that probably have demoed in the last few weeks only 100 are arrested then those marches are pacific.

Not having the police resources available is not a lawful reason for cancelling a protest.

For the avoidance of doubt the former Home Secretary urged the Met Police Commisioner to ban a perfectly legal demonstration. She had no doubt been advised that there were no lawful grounds to ban the demonstration. Do you agree with the former Home Secretary when she urged the Met Police Commisioner to break the law?

If Suella Braverman was worried about police resourcing perhaps she shouldnt' have been a senior member of a government that has consistently defunded the police and criminal justice system?

Agreed.

She's unhinged, offensive and out of control. For a senior politician to attack the MET like she did, and try to stop a totally legal protest calling for a ceasefire, is not only irresponsible but also undignified and reckless. She had purposefully summoned the EDL to try to disturb the peaceful protests. Thank God the police succeeded in maintaining order as she would certainly have been wholly responsible for any serious injuries or God forbid deaths by those violent thugs.

Just leaving this here….

It's well known she's totally biased; that's why she wanted so vehemently to stop the protests.

If we don't have the resources to police these protests adequately, then they shouldnt take place....

Or maybe the Political Party that have been in power for so many years, should adequately fund the police (and of course all other public services) so that they do have enough resources.......

Only the majority of the UK do not agree with Braverman or you for that matter. You have ‘the right’ to live in Israel, think about the hypocrisy of that.

The Met police managed the pro-Palestinian protestors perfectly fine with few officers yet had trouble managing the sheer thuggery from the far right who were small in comparison to the approximately 800,000 marchers but hell bent on causing trouble. Where is your condemnation for them? Oh and they were shouting sieg heil and displaying swastika tattoos….

This. I didn't realise how violent the thugs actually were (figured they'd be tanked up and coked up) But look at these videos, she deserved to sacked she endangered the lives of public servants:
https://x.com/johnnycamelate/status/1724043693240225959?s=20
https://x.com/johnnycamelate/status/1724098744730177615?s=20

That’s the point. They are not ‘managing’ the protests. Their way of dealing with it, is by not dealing with it. There have been incidences that have been completely ignored - shouts of jihad, anti-Semitic chants, inappropriate banners, poppy sellers being intimidated. Anti Semitic attacks have increased massively in London on the back of these protests. The reality is that police can’t safely intervene in these incidences due to sheer numbers. And I’m not going to even reference Robinson and his gang - they’re irrelevant, and by people and the media giving them any publicity and coverage, that’s exactly what they’re looking for.

Suella was hateful, divisive, and vile.

Rishi was weak to put her in his cabinet, literally days after she was forced to resign for breaking the rules.

She might claim to be a Conservative, but she doesn't really understand what Conservatism is about. She has only ever been in it to climb the greasy pole.

My point is that we shouldn’t have to deploy a thousand police every Saturday to man protests. There would be adequate police on the streets of London on a Saturday if they weren’t forced to pull police away from other stuff like, you know, burglaries, rapes, knife crime etc etc, to babysit protestors.

id agree if the general public studyed the various politicans and their policies with as much detail as people that eg, study football results, vote on dancing on ice, vote and watch big brother, ect

point is, yes give the public the vote and have direct representation but at least fully be knowledgeable about who and why your voting for.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/suella-braverman-islamophobia-britain-muslim-home-secretary

We are emulating the USA now. Lots of American politicians have never seen a public vote. Take Blinken for example, he’s served as Secretary of State and national security advisor for several presidents and yet never been elected.

I found it ridiculous that out of all the MPs on the Tory benches Sunak couldn't find 1 to do the job of foreign secretary. What does that say about the state of the Tories.
And the fact that he has had to make Cameron, who until recently, was classed as the worst PM on record. It's made a mockery of democracy.
Not a Tory but he would have been better bringing Teresa May back.
It made my blood boil seeing Braverman,
Johnson and Truss feeling important on Sunday. Surely there is a way to dissolve that Truss was PM to stop her appearing again and to stop her getting the payments.

I was confused by the marching comments. Which marches in Northern Ireland was she referring to? Early on in the conflict there were marches on the loyalist side of paramilitary organisations that were at first allowed, but later banned when they got involved in terrorism. The Orange Order do love to march, and are very sectarian, however most lodges would chuck anybody out who was overtly supporting terrorism - that's not what they're about.

@Circularargument not sure if notsoready4school has replied, about her post saying she was expecting something to happen on her lifetime, with tears in her eyes.

I think I get what she was meaning. She was referring to a PP comment on how the opinion in UK and many other Western countries is pro cease fire and peace within the public, and it is showing on their government representatives recent speeches.
I think notsoready4school has hope that a peaceful resolution to the conflict will happen soon and both Palestine and Israel can live in peace. Which is the very ideal resolution to this problem. She still has faith.
I have to confess that I have lost my faith long ago, after thinking many times along the lines "oh, maybe this time it will be the last one, they will settle in a peace agreement" since I have memory and I can remember the very same thing is happening today, going on when I was 8! But time and time again, they go back to violence and massive numbers of deaths :(
I have lost all my faith by now......

Yes, It is about hope.

On that I watched a wonderful discussion with Professor John Mearsheimer (an American political scientist and international relations scholar who belongs to the realist school of thought) the other day about this conflict and other conflicts. Some highlights below:

• The first 10 minutes is about the US China detente (relations have been strained since Bidens inauguration) and how it signals the acknowledgement by America that it can't fight wars on 3 fronts, Ukraine, Gaza and Taiwan.

• What was needed from the US was to cool them down, instead Biden ran over to Israel and gave Netanyahu carte blanch to act in any way he wanted.

• Mearsheimer knows many strong supporters of Israel who are currently deeply depressed as they know Israel can't defeat Hamas in a short time and public opinion will change.

• Need a political solution, but impossible to see.

• Mearsheimer at 30 mins: before October 7th Israel was effectively an apartheid state. In Israeli media it is common to call it apartheid, only controversial to say that
  In Western countries.
  Problem is since Oct 7th that fact has become common knowledge and Israel isn't able to manage the image anymore. Turning the Israeli world upside down.

• The world now sees the problem and will be looking for a solution meaning no return to the status quo. Once you start talking about how to solve it the issue of Apartheid and occupation comes to the fore causing enormous problems for the Israelis.

• How are different countries going to react? US, Russia, China, EU etc. Aka will the US continue to get away with feigning negotiations by offering the Palestinians crappy deals or will the BRICS nations force a framework for actual effective negotiations.

• The last 40 mins the talk changes to Ukraine and the state of that conflict. Mearsheimer was prescient in a lecture he gave in 2015 where he cautioned that “the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.”
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-C-G0aBcwY&t=2678s