Numbered & Tagged [Title edited by MNHQ]

[beachcitygirl]

Palestinians numbered and tagged by Israeli officials.

Now where have we seen this before.

It's horrific
It's too much
It's heartbreaking

Never again meant Never again for anyone.

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@SomeCatFromJapan this is from the Guardian

@SomeCatFromJapan there has been multiple report of torture
Denied any sort of legal representation and held for days in terrible conditions

You have not answered the question. Would you like Jewish people being tagged when being kicked out of a country ? Or would this remind you of holocoust ?

That's a false equivalence. They were kicked out of the country because they were Palestinians from Gaza, that Israel is now at war with. It's not the same as rounding up your fellow citizens because of their ethnicity or religion (and then murdering several millions of them).

@SomeCatFromJapan

From The Guardian

When I saw the news, I knew it was too dangerous to go to work. The police were arresting all Gazans,” said Ahmad, 31, who had a job as a cook in a Tel Aviv shawarma restaurant. He and six fellow labourers from Gaza hunkered in their shared basement apartment, wondering what to do. After two days, Ahmad left to buy food. On his return he discovered the apartment empty and turned upside down – police had raided and arrested his flatmates.

He eventually managed to escape and fled to the west bank

As I said if these men were tortured in detention then of course that is worthy of condemnation. However I don't get the surprise and outrage that Gazans are being deported, under the circumstances. They'll be considered a security risk.

Now you are making nazi comparisons

Now you are making nazi comparisons

No, I'm explicitly stating it is NOT the same thing.

I am not angry but I am concerned because
A. All Gaza workers with permits to work in Israel go through a very thorough background check to ensure no ties with Hamas.
B. The Gazan workers who were in Israel working at their jobs, they definitely were not part of the Hamas attack on 7th October. They all have Israel verified alibis as you can’t be simultaneously running about murdering Israelis when you’re many km away on a job site.
C. But they were still rounded up, detained, reports of abuse/torture happening under interrogation. The abuse/torture is disturbing as are the ones killed while mass arrests were being done, however, it makes sense to detain and interrogate for security.
D. We can see these Gazan workers have proven their innocence, otherwise Israel would not have released them. They’d be in prison because releasing any worker that was a Hamas mole back into Gaza would be adding thousands to Hamas’ fighting force.
E. But releasing them back into Gaza when Gaza isn’t supposed to be collective punishment for Hamas’ actions seems counter-intuitive. The workers probably wanted to be with their families. See who is still alive. So I think they wouldn’t protest.
F. But I think that if the siege and ground assault of Gaza included avoiding harming innocent civilians, then why send thousands of proven innocents into Gaza? They will be suspect all over again especially as the vast majority of these workers are fighting age men.
G. I think Israel should have allowed these workers immediate family members out- the women and children related to them at the very least and relocated them to the West Bank?
H. It would have been a good way to show that being peaceful, law abiding and steering clear of terrorists is recognised and rewarded by Israel. I fear sending many of these innocent Gazan workers into a war zone where they could die with their wives and children is a good way to radicalise whoever survives? It’s not the strategy I would have chosen when I think long term about Israel’s security.

@RebekaTuwin I do actually agree with all your points, btw. I was just more surprised at how strong some of the language around this was, on this thread, given the broader context. I genuinely thought I was missing something.

Israel’s goal is to kill all the Palestinians. Why would they help some to relocate to the West Bank?

@SomeCatFromJapan firstly I highly doubt they wanted to stay in Israel to continue being tortured (which bloody well shouldn't have happened In the first place, if you read the descriptions it wasn't just simply a slap or two)

Secondly although you don't see an issue with it many human rights groups do

The UN Human Rights Office said it was “deeply concerned” about the expulsions. “They are being sent back, we don’t know exactly to where, [and whether they] even have a home to go to,” its spokesperson Elizabeth Throssell told a news conference in Geneva. She said it was an incredibly dangerous situation.

Excellent post
Thank you

I thought you did, I am just trying to be a level headed contribution as this is a very distressing time for all and I know these threads can get emotional- understandably given the situation. So I thought I’d answer your question as it seemed to be for anyone who wanted to say what they thought.

While I have no doubt certain members of the Likud government are encouraging such an outcome, I don’t think this is the goal of “Israel” as a whole. Thousands of Israelis (Jewish, Muslim, Christian) are protesting the heavy handed manner in which their government is mishandling this crisis.

I'm not so sure that that is the case? Polls by the Israel Democracy Institute say that 47.5% of Israeli Jews don't think the civilians in Gaza should be taken into account at all when it comes to Israels actions in Gaza. 35.9% say 'not so much'. Only 5.2% say 'very much'. It would appear that the vast majority really don't care what happens to everyday Palestinians.

Gaza is far too dangerous for Israelis for any of them to have a job there. If there were any Israelis in Gaza right now do you think they'd be wandering at liberty? If there were any Israelis in Gaza do you think an ankle-tag would be their biggest problem?

Countries involved in an existential war with a neighbouring territory tend not to let enemy aliens from that territory roam at will. Well, not unless they are being led by people who are suicidal or crazy. During WWII we interned enemy aliens even if they actually lived here and regardless of their identity. Israel is currently investigating the very serious possibility that Palestinian workers scouted, spied and smuggled for Hamas. Briefly detaining these workers was a sweeping measure but, given the dire emergency that Israel was plunged into on October 7th, leaving them at liberty would have defied all sense and precaution.

Why do people always expect Israelis to behave in a self-defeating, suicidal manner? Why is conduct that is commonplace and sensible in war always considered criminal in Israelis?

Did we deport all Russians in the UK when the war on Ukraine started?

Amazing isn’t it, this thread gets the title changed but the one labels all marches as antisemitic remains! No comments here about some threads will upset people. And yes this is a comment about something else. Essentially the double standards and bias on MN re this subject is ridiculous.

@EsmaCannonball whilst what you wrote makes sense and it would be to some extent perhaps even understandable if that was all that did happen

However extreme torture is not

@EsmaCannonball TBF I think it's more the alleged torture and violation of human rights that raises concerns.

“Briefly” detaining them, sure. Totally understand.
Torturing them? Detaining them in awful condition for several days/weeks?

The question asks how much their “suffering” should be taken into consideration. Did you mean to suggest that this poll shows most Israelis agree ”to kill all the Palestinians” as you posted? Suffering can be very minor or alot, it is very general and not a public opinion that can be taken as a license to kill or a complete lack of caring about Palestinian lives.

Did we deport all Russians in the UK when the war on Ukraine started?

The UK is not at war with Russia.

During the second world war the UK did intern "enemy aliens" including Jewish refugees from Germany.

@EsmaCannonball
”Why do people always expect Israelis to behave in a self-defeating, suicidal manner?”
I do think that Israel releasing proven innocent Gazan workers into Gaza with no thought for their safety or their wives and children is a very self-defeating choice. It could well be yet another grievance that radicalises the pacifists amongst the Gazan civilians.

@RebekaTuwin I do feel sorry for those men on an individual level. It's just yet another bit of awfulness in the whole ghastly month.