Numbered & Tagged [Title edited by MNHQ]

[beachcitygirl]

Palestinians numbered and tagged by Israeli officials.

Now where have we seen this before.

It's horrific
It's too much
It's heartbreaking

Never again meant Never again for anyone.

👇🏻

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I don’t believe what you say. I’ve got lots of Israeli family and friends. Not one of them wants a ceasefire. Most have latent Palestinian-hatred in them. Just look at the poll above that a PP has provided.
check on SM. Lots of Israelis mocking the Palestinians. Lots of anti-Palestinian sentiment. These are the people who have voted in their own right wing government, by the way. I also think that the Israeli government does sort of represent “Israel as a whole.”

Well we know that their 'suffering' isn't minor? So that's a moot point really. Israelis know what is happening in Gaza they know what the 'suffering' people are being put through is. Why would they think that the type of 'suffering' would suddenly change? Is there a logical reason that they would think the 'suffering' would change from mass killings, the destruction of half of Gaza, starving people of food/water/aid to something else? I am open to correction if there is a genuine reason Israelis would think that?

“Countries involved in an existential war with a neighbouring territory tend not to let enemy aliens from that territory roam at will.”
@EsmaCannonball nor do countries deliver foreign aliens to the enemy to potentially be conscripted and then sent against them as fighters. Usually countries will detain and then release away from the war zone in a tightly monitored way. Similar to how we sent German POWs to work on farms or clearing bomb site rubble here in the U.K. We did not ship German POWs back to Hitler to conscript and send against us again.

Israel’s war council decisions are very confusing. It’s not what is usually done. I do wonder if incompetent civilian politicians are overruling the military leaders behind closed doors.

Yes, we know the suffering and death toll is immense and disproportionate. That wasn’t my point.

My point is that the poll you posted does not show that most Israelis want to “kill all Palestinians” as you seem to be suggesting.

Ok, apologies, if that is the impression that you got. it shows that they don't care about Palestinians being killed not that they actively want them to be killed.

My response was to your post that seemed to suggest that everyday Israelis weren't in favour of Palestinians being killed. The poll shows that they don't care, that was my point in posting the poll. Apologies if that was lost in translation.

@SomeCatFromJapan Yes, you're right, we are not at war with Russia. It's hard to make comparisons. In the UK we don't have millions of people held in a strip of land, so it's different to conflicts which take place abroad, I suppose.

If your neighbouring country comes in and massacres 1,400 people in the most brutal and disgusting ways imaginable, would you be letting random citizens of that country in? Of course not. Why is Israel held to impossible standards that would never be expected of other nations? Oh, I know. Jews.

If Israel kept hold of these men in would be damned, if it sends them back it is also damned. It took a lot of persuasion from the international community for Israel to open itself up to Gazan workers, and that relaxation of security turned out to be a massive, deadly mistake.

When the UK interned enemy nationals during WWII it was a hugely unfair, although understandable, measure. However, the UK was only worried about spies and saboteurs (bad enough); can you imagine if we had to worry about enemy aliens who had been ordered to go to small towns and villages and torture to death everyone they could get their hands on? It's another level of infiltration.

And, as I said, no Israeli worker could dare to set foot in Gaza and survive. Why do we hold Palestinians to such lower standards of behaviour? Is that really the ideology we want to back?

No but I certainly wouldn’t be killing a child at an average of every 10 minutes just to prove I could.

I agree there is a lot of hate on SM. I agree that there are extremists who are racist and hate Palestinians. I agree that IDF has a culture of racism, violence and brutality, I have protested against it.

I am an Israeli citizen. I have the passport. I do not live there now. Most of my Israeli family and friends are also peace activists. We are protesting. Why isn’t your family?
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231030-israeli-hostage-families-call-for-ceasefire-amid-mounting-anger

Thinking that the Israeli government represents Israel as a whole is the kind of thinking that results in thinking that Hamas represents Palestinians as a whole. In every nation or territory, there is always dissent. It is never the case that everyone agrees with what their government does no matter the type of government whether a democracy, a monarchy, or even a terrorist dictatorship.

It was a bit lost in translation.

And, as I said, no Israeli worker could dare to set foot in Gaza and survive. Why do we hold Palestinians to such lower standards of behaviour? Is that really the ideology we want to back?

Israel is the occupying power. As the occupying power Israel have responsibilities to the people that they occupy. Israel through their strict control of imports and exports deny Palestinians the chance to have any kind of thriving economy. There is a massive power imbalance between the occupied and the occupiers, of course you have to hold the oppressor to a higher standard than the oppressed. As an aside nobody except the IDF would want to work in Gaza as due to the purposefully crippled economy wages are far lower there and who would want the nightmare of going through checkpoints everyday for shite wages?

No worries. Apologies again.

What? How did having workers from Gaza end up a mistake? It’s not like Gazan workers went to their job sites, picked up concealed weapons and then started murdering innocent Israelis.

It was the jobless Hamas fighters who bulldozed and paraglided their way out of Gaza that did the attack.

Israel doesn't occupy Gaza and the 'blockade' only exists because ...... well, look what happened when the Gazans got out. The Hamas leadership are rich kleptocrats. They have plundered Gaza for their own benefit.

Are you just going to ignore the bit that most are outraged about
The torture part?
Beaten, harrased, stripped naked and kept tied up for hours, having boiling water thrown on

Israel through their strict control of imports and exports deny Palestinians the chance to have any kind of thriving economy

People with jobs, security, equal rights and their basic needs met are far less likely to turn into terrorists. We could learn a lot from how other nations have managed to live in a multicultural society and reduce or even eliminate domestic terrorism. They didn’t get to a place of relative peace and security through gradual or continued dehumanisation of an ethnicity.

@RebekaTuwin
thank you for your balanced and thoughtful response.

Sadly my Israeli family are different to yours. Our extended family WhatsApp group exploded on Oct 7th and many hateful comments were made. I’d always seen snatches of anti-Arab sentiment but it would be quickly retracted/deleted. But on the 7th the mask slipped and it was awful to read. Some of the wording was along the lines of “it’s time to get rid of these Arabs for once and for all.” (Arabs in the group too, by the way.)
So sad as we’re such a wonderfully diverse family. Many of us non Jewish and non Israelis even know basic Hebrew!
and no, my family won’t be protesting against Netanyahu. Their feelings at the moment is that there needs to be national unity and now is not the time to try to oust Bibi or call for a ceasefire.

@SomeoneBurntTheToastAgain
Shalom aleichem,

I don’t know what your family has been through, so I don’t judge them. I’d like to think if my brother in Israel lost my nephew to a terror attack, he and my sister in law would still be peace activists. Or if I lost my daughter while visiting them, that I would too. Or if we’d/they’d been taken hostage. But I can’t know that, it’s easy to think it, but I can’t know. It’s an instinctive human reaction to being attacked to hate the group your attacker is from. That is one reason I fear for Israel postGaza, there are now two million very traumatised humans not connected to Hamas all with cause to hate us/our families and are more vulnerable to being radicalised into Hamas or a new future terrorist gang. The current IDF assault on Gaza can only achieve a pyrrhic victory.

So for my family, it is a critical time to call for a cease fire. For us, national unity should be behind breaking this cycle of kill or be killed, not ensuring it endures for yet more generations by sowing the seeds of future destruction.

I don’t if you saw this news regarding the Zeadnas family.

I pray for an end to the suffering and violence,
I pray for hope and peace for all, oseh shalom.

“The Zeadnas saw one family member killed, four kidnapped and another hailed a hero for saving dozens from Hamas death squads, yet as a community their position is far from simple”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/between-two-flames-the-bedouin-family-that-came-to-embody-tragedy-and-courage-on-israels-darkest-day

And yet Israel leadership and forces are treating the Palestinian victims of Hamas as if they were Hamas. It is guilt by association along ethnic or religious lines. We would never countenance such an approach for anything else. I remember when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a far right wing Jewish murderer in 1995.

Israel’s reaction would have been completely different if Hamas or PLO had done it, they both existed then and that is a problem.

It’s never moral for nation governments to engage in collective punishment of entire populations along guilt by association due to shared ethnicity or religion.

Wassim Ayyash, a young man with special needs from the village of Rafat, Southwest of Ramallah ,went missing two days ago. Today, the israeli army returned his corpse with signs of torture all over his body.

https://twitter.com/svhibe/status/1720797174986948783

By telling the truth?
so many Palestinians from Haza and the West Bank have been kidnapped, yet no one seems to give a crap about where they are and whether they are alive or not? Dont their lives matter

If you bothered to read my post properly and the subsequent posts you will see that I reported the TITLE of the original post and it was changed by MNHQ as I requested.

Ok apologies. Totally missed the title of the post. I only saw the new title.

Shalom, Rebeka.
I attended a Yachad talk yesterday given by Mogen Inon, whose parents were killed on Oct 7th. Totally incidentally I had read a Haaret article about his parents before Oct 7th showing their home.
Did you by any chance attend at all? He mentioned the Zeyadnahs and showed photos. It turns out he knew them well, grew up with them.
Deeply sad times.