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Conflict in the Middle East

Please excuse my ignorance on this Israel question

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AppleCottageCores · 24/10/2023 14:42

Why does the U.S fund Israel? They give billions every year....

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BlurredEdges · 26/10/2023 21:31

Private Eye summed it up quite neatly. See attached.

Please excuse my ignorance on this Israel question
Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 21:31

Racists people exist. Extremists like Netanyahu will bring out the worse of them.
Did you hear about the Israeli in America who shot the Muslim to death in a protest?
I wish more Jewish/israeli people stood up for humanity and made Netanyahu stop this genocide.
But I have seen horrific tik tok of Israeli youths putting on Debris makeup and mocking dead Palestinians and children. Mocking their lack of power water food and aid.

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 21:33

@BlurredEdges ofcourse that is not ok. My friends, family and colleagues are angry with the Israeli government and feel sorry for the innocent Jewish families that have been caught up in now what looks like war.

Also lets remember the innocent Palestinian people who have been suffering for a very long time.

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 21:38

@Threemangoes I agree.

Ive seen Jews demonstrating against Zionism, the Israeli govt and the excessive force.

Just like Muslims condemning Hamas.

Lets not focus on the small minorities who do hateful things.

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 21:42

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy2IZa4OCA7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Here you go watch this and explain to me what level of brainwashing/dehumanisation does Israel teach its people against Palestinians.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy2IZa4OCA7?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

crimsonfleet · 26/10/2023 21:56

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 21:31

Racists people exist. Extremists like Netanyahu will bring out the worse of them.
Did you hear about the Israeli in America who shot the Muslim to death in a protest?
I wish more Jewish/israeli people stood up for humanity and made Netanyahu stop this genocide.
But I have seen horrific tik tok of Israeli youths putting on Debris makeup and mocking dead Palestinians and children. Mocking their lack of power water food and aid.

So what exactly to you want your average Jewish person to do? Why are they responsible for what's happening in Gaza?

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 21:57

This is from Amnesty International

Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity

Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights. This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries.

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 22:00

crimsonfleet · 26/10/2023 21:56

So what exactly to you want your average Jewish person to do? Why are they responsible for what's happening in Gaza?

They should use their powers of democracy to stop their elected leader from committing a complete genocide. It's against Jewish ethos. Why isn't there a greater uproar.
I have seen some protests from beautiful Jewish people from America and Jewish voice for peace on Insta but that's about it.
Why would they let Netanyahu tarnish their name with genocide of Palestinian people

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 22:00

Ofcourse Jews are not responsible

Just like Muslims and Palestinians are not resonsible for Hamas.

I personally would like to see more Jews calling out the horrific war crimes that Israel is committing.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation but Israel is acting like one too.

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 22:03

@Threemangoes

I agree. Netanyahu is a disgrace. He is so far right. Its scary how people become brainwashed into thinking what he is doing is right.

With the help of social media, there is more awareness and that is helping the plight of thd Palestinians.

BlurredEdges · 26/10/2023 22:05

crimsonfleet · 26/10/2023 21:56

So what exactly to you want your average Jewish person to do? Why are they responsible for what's happening in Gaza?

You're arguing with someone who called Hamas a 'resistence' [sic] group. I wouldn't waste your time.

Please excuse my ignorance on this Israel question
BlurredEdges · 26/10/2023 22:07

40ouncesofgin · 26/10/2023 22:00

Ofcourse Jews are not responsible

Just like Muslims and Palestinians are not resonsible for Hamas.

I personally would like to see more Jews calling out the horrific war crimes that Israel is committing.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation but Israel is acting like one too.

The poster with whom you are agreeing does not agree that Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Even though they are proscribed as a terrorist organisation in almost every country in the world, including the UK. See attached.

Please excuse my ignorance on this Israel question
etmoietmoietmoi · 26/10/2023 22:09

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 21:00

If this offends you and not what Israel is doing to a city full of children then you failed at humanity.
Muslims are being murdered accross the world in hate crimes because of the news narrative.
I'm not saying I agree with choices of some people to show their anger but unfortunately Netanyahu is who you need to hold account for this.
Follow Jewishvoiceforpeace on insta.

So you're saying that she should just suck up the rising antisemitic hatred (aka hate crimes) in the UK city she lives in because you don't deem she's atoned enough for the hate crimes and violence being carried out in the Middle East? She feels scared in her own city and that's your response, rather than show one ounce of compassion is to tell her she's "failed at humanity"?

For weeks you've been explicitly goading away at Jews on here so I would put it to you m'lud that you have "failed at humanity".

etmoietmoietmoi · 26/10/2023 22:11

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 21:31

Racists people exist. Extremists like Netanyahu will bring out the worse of them.
Did you hear about the Israeli in America who shot the Muslim to death in a protest?
I wish more Jewish/israeli people stood up for humanity and made Netanyahu stop this genocide.
But I have seen horrific tik tok of Israeli youths putting on Debris makeup and mocking dead Palestinians and children. Mocking their lack of power water food and aid.

I wish more Jewish/israeli people stood up for humanity and made Netanyahu stop this genocide.

WHAT DO YOU WANT US JEWS TO DO?? We don't have Netanyahu in our phone contacts. You are literally holding us to account for Israel's actions so to call a spade a space, you're an antisemite.

Stomacharmeleon · 26/10/2023 22:21

@Threemangoes I have just watched the press conference that Hamas did today in Beruit (ghazi Hamad)
Lie after lie
A military operation
No plan to kill civilians
No plan to take hostages
'Confrontation' led to people dying in their houses.

You do not see Hamas for what it is. Hamas has spent 300 million in the last two weeks on rockets and you lecture Israel on humanity. Whilst it's people are begging for aid and water. Whilst it misappropriates fuel for its own despicable uses. I absolutely support Israel and its right to defend itself. Do you naively think a ceasefire will go well for Israel? After 16+ attempts to agree on peace that Hamas have left the table from every time.... you are embarrassing.

crimsonfleet · 26/10/2023 22:22

Threemangoes · 26/10/2023 22:00

They should use their powers of democracy to stop their elected leader from committing a complete genocide. It's against Jewish ethos. Why isn't there a greater uproar.
I have seen some protests from beautiful Jewish people from America and Jewish voice for peace on Insta but that's about it.
Why would they let Netanyahu tarnish their name with genocide of Palestinian people

And how exactly are the majority of Jewish people who don't live in Israel and so cannot vote there supposed to do that?

SharonEllis · 26/10/2023 23:00

DillyDallyingAllDay · 26/10/2023 19:43

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that being Jewish doesn't =being Israeli.
And also a lot of people need to learn what being semetic is. Jews are not the only semites. And being anti israel isn't being antisemitic similar to being anti Islamic state isn't being islamophobic

You are equating Islamic State with Israel??????

VerityUnreasonble · 27/10/2023 00:49

crimsonfleet · 26/10/2023 22:22

And how exactly are the majority of Jewish people who don't live in Israel and so cannot vote there supposed to do that?

We could all use right to return and move to Israel so we can vote! Bet that's a solution that would go down really really well.

Fortheloveofwatermelon · 27/10/2023 01:22

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Fortheloveofwatermelon · 27/10/2023 01:24

Clearly the poster meant Israelis living in Israel

BlurredEdges · 27/10/2023 02:07

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"The antisemitism card"

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25milesfromhome · 27/10/2023 02:10

Oh dear.

Fortheloveofwatermelon · 27/10/2023 02:15

BlurredEdges · 27/10/2023 02:07

"The antisemitism card"

😜

Clearly you are good at twisting words and taking words out of context. I hope you are enjoying this which clearly shows.

WilmaWonka · 27/10/2023 03:22

@Fortheloveofwatermelon

Us Muslims were made to denounce

So you are saying Muslims had to be ‘made’ to denounce 9/11?

Who’d have thought it was touted as the religion of peace.

knitnerd90 · 27/10/2023 03:25

Oh my this thread has already gone antisemitic.

The most influential pro-Israel people in the USA aren't Jewish, they are evangelical Christians, who massively outnumber Jews by any method of counting.