Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Just to start us off.

May this be a happy and lucky thread for all of us.

Hi Kiwi,
first of all, well done and congratulations on being 20 weeks.
Nightmare about the work thing though, although on the plus side: no more evil boss. Will the redundancy help much?
Very sorry to hear about your MIL, do you know what her reasoning is for not having the op?
Your DH must be devastated, how is he coping?
Huge hug to you both!

My news is that I'm off to have another FET next weekend, all on my own, the transfer day is Monday 19th.
I wasn't happy with the last FET, the clinic were quite antipathetic about my choice not to use hormones and to go unmedicated. I feel they made me fit around their clinic opening hours rather than the optimum transfer day.
The clinic in Europe only does unmedicated FETs and seems a bit more au fait and keen to transfer on the 'right' day.
Hopefully this will bode better for a successful outcome.

lunatic Wow you've had your share of misery and then some. It's so weird cos before we started trying for this elusive 3rd baby my experiences of babies was - you want a baby - you get pregnant - you get a baby. I think I was oblivious to how much was going on around me and how much people were suffering.

I wish you all the very best with this one. Sounds like you're gonna be closely monitored.

as for me - OMG got a fab positive on an OPK just now. Have been testing for the last week and getting faint lines then today got some decent egg white so thought I'd see what the old OPK said - it says YES. It's day 23 (if you count the begining of the MC as day one) so I am dead excited.

Immediately claimed I was too hot and went to put on a skimpy top and shorts. DH whispered that we would have to do something about that later - ahh bless him he knows not that he is being programmed!

Can't believe I am so excited about TTC after 2 MC's in a row but I guess that is the thing with optimist.

rainbow how are you doing???

Kiwi - Congratulations on reaching 20 weeks - very exciting! I've been wondering how you were getting on. Re the redundancy, I work in recruitment and am firmly of the opinion that most people end up reflecting on their redundancy as having been a good thing despite it being awful and worrying at the time.
I'm sorry to hear about your MIL.

rowing good luck for your FET!

Morning ladies.
Kiwi, it is lovely to hear from you.So nice to hear that you are 20 weeks, it feels like the time has flown(but probably not for you), how exiting to have the scan soon to find out the sex of the baby. I'm very sorry to hear about your MIL.How awful. And it stinks about your job.Will you have to find another job?Perhaps you could put up your feet and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy.

Hippy, glad to hear you are feeling optimistic. I should probably get a bit frisky too, but it's hard to muster up the excitement this morning as we have the carpet layers coming in half an hour(which I am excited about!)...I suppose I could make an effort...

We visited DH's parents yesterday, and his sister was also there. I said "we have exciting news"(I'm quite excited about the carpet, I've waited 10 years to get the stairs done) and my SIL said"You're not pregnant are you?" to which I replied "No" and MIL added,"Good, I was worried you were going to announce a pregnancy".
My heart just sank. I just hate that they are negative about us having a large family.I do not understand it.They don't help us out in any way, they don't babysit, they don't help financially, they rarely visit, and we don't go out to their farm often because I feel the kids are unwelcome. I know I shouldn't take it to heart, as it is really their issue, not mine, but I felt quite sad. I resolved in my mind that I wouldn't say anything (when/if it happens) until it is blooming obvious!
Later we went for a walk and the conversation centred on population growth and how the world couldn't sustain the rate of growth. It seemed so ironic as we wandered around the 260 acres of land (for just two people who no longer farm it).

Ok, that's my bitchin' over.

Best see if I can get my best seduction face on!!

Hi all,

Gum they sound lovely: the inlaws ! I hope they don't feel too claustrophobic living in such cramped conditions.

Frost thank you! I think I'm going to need quite a bit of luck.

Lunatic hope this all goes smoothly for you, you deserve some good fortune.

Hippy you sound very positive, hope this time is the one.

Polly how is operation 'revealing dress' going?

DSL how's tricks?

Diege have you been riding for long? I really miss riding, but am, simaltaneously scared of being bucked off and landing in a river (nearly happened).

Jolls how are you today?

GPS where are you. You sounded very resigned the last time you posted?

Italian any more thoughts on going to Spain?

Hi to Alba, Pink,

I really must sit down and write down a list of things I need to organise for next week. What do I need to organise.... [blank face]

Hello! Just a quickie from as need to get to PO to send off batch of exam scripts in time for parcel force van.
Gum your family sound very similar to mine (I was greeted with a dropped jaw and 'oh no!...' after announcing no. 2 ) I too will wait until I'm obviouslu pregnant (if it ever happens) and then probably get dh to ring up and tell). I too don't understand it - same here re: baby sitting and visits...
Rowing ride on sat was fab (I used to work in a riding stables as a teenager so gots lots of riding opps but it's been 15 yrs since I've sat on a horse!). It came back to me straight away, though a bit wobbly on the old cantering! Ironically a heavily pregnant woman was getting on a horse ready to leave on the next ride as we were coming back .
Hippy lol at your easily programmable dh . They really are so predicable when it comes to a sex, bless them
Well I certainly am not pregnant (af arrived today, cd 26) and I'd also done a sneaky Fri night test anyway so not a shock). I am a bit ,not that I'm not pregnant as such, but more that there's something wrong re: my cycle length. I has a pos opk on cd 13 (and also cd 14 ) and only a 26 day cycle,so at best I'd say a LP of 10-12 days...Judging from past pregnancies, I;d say I actually ovulate pretty much as/just a few hrs after I get a pos opk, but still that's not great is it? I must confess, in my desperation,I have gone and done something REALLY STUPID . I've paid for one of those totally rip off (in hindsight) e-books that promise you the world re: getting pregnant. It seems to be full of chinese medicine stuff (which I'm sure is great) but still not really me...on the upside, if anyone wants me to forward you the pdf file (free of course!!)then e-mail me at [email protected] What a sucker I am

diege It's quite weird to discover you are dawn - to me it seems perfectly normal that you are actually called diege. How funny.

If we all met up would we be like, "Oh Hippy pass the salt please." "Italian, where did you park the car, Rowing needs to park hers too!"

That would be odd for anyone listening in - especially if 'Hairy' came along !!! Ha ha.

Temp hasn't gone up yet - so haven't ovulated - but will keep putting the troops in place ready and waiting.

rowing All the best for next week-end. How funny that you go away for a week-end and come back with an embryo inside you. Mind you we conceived our first son in spain so i guess we did the same thing. He was very excited that Spain won yesterday as he considers himself 'made in spain'.

On the subject of families - my mum is a bit negative about us trying again. she things we are just heading for a fall - when i told her about how encouraging our lovely GP was she said, "Hum, she shouldn't give you all that hope!" I replied, "What should she do then mum, tell me to sod off cos I'm too old?"

Lets just do what WE want to do ladies and only tell the moany oldies when we're well past 12 weeks

I know what you mean about names Hippy. I am actually meeting up with some mumsnetters at the weekend and it will feel very very strange calling them by their real names - like meeting another set of people .
On the temps thing you mention, do you have any tips on what sort of thermometer to buy? Are there special ones or will the kids' bleepy one do? . Have you put dh on pending status, or have you had to give in?

Hi all,

Hippy you are daft! I was laughing at Hairy coming along.
Have you discussed where you conceived your children with them. It sounds very liberated, I don't know tbh, but it certainly not very exotic.

Diege I would be interested in seeing that bunkum, quackery that you purchased. I am woofycreature at gmail dot com.
Very impressed at the keenness of the pregnant woman getting onto a horse.
You haven't really been trying very long, I'm sure you are fine, just a bit longer and you will be completely preggers.
Get you with your MN social life, you social butterfly!

I found the most confusing thing about meeting friends from FF was getting their nicknames mixed-up. It was so difficult to remember what people had posted and I kept asking really stooopid questions about when they were going on holiday when that was actually somebody else.
One poor woman had had an awful miscarriage and just couldn't remember and asked her what had happened after her last IVF (the awful miscarriage Rowing!).

You need a proper BBT thermometer - the kids bleepy thing as you so eloquently put it is not really accurate enough. Can't do the whole link up thing so will just say look on amazon or in boots for a BBT thermometer.

I am giving in to Dh gracefully .

diege don't meet your other friends - we're your bezzy mates - stay with us. (sorry flash-back to school playground there).

rowing My son has just learnt about periods at school. He was then saying that he wanted to support spain so I told him he was conceived there (eg. made there) he asked how I knew and I said. Well I had one of those period things before I went and then didn't have one again when i came back and some months later he was born. he was dead chuffed and wanted to get a t shirt with made in spain on it!!. The other one was very disappointed to learn he was made in our house .

liagen are you still checking in? How are you lovie?

jolly are you ok??

See how I worry about you all - I should defo count as your best mate diege - oops sorry slipped again!

hi hippy yes am still lurking, trying to come to terms with this being it so nothing much positive to say at mo.

Sadly rainbow has some news (on hut of doom thread) love to you rainbow if you read this. x

due on thursday, no tests in nd no money either so no early testing for me this month, will just wait it out till thursday.

hope everyone is well.

Glad you're still lurking lia. I think coming to terms with things will take a long time and who knows you might not have to.

rainbow Sorry to hear that you are definitely losing this one as well. at least you know that it was totally out of your hands and even with progesterone it wasn't staying. good luck for the appointment at St Marys.

Hi all,
Lia sorry you are in a crap place at the moment.

Rainbow so sorry.

Lia thinking of you.

Rowing all the very best with the FET. I really hope to will go well. I think it is terrible that one of your clinics was not more helpful. Just out of interest why are you going medication free?

holeymoley did you post with a different name way back when? Have you had any thoughts on adoption?

Lunatic all the very best, you sound like you have had a terrible time of it.

Kiwikat so sorry to hear about your mother-in-law , sorry to hear about the redundancy, can they do that? Glad you are finally at 20 weeks, wow doesn't time fly.

Gum sorry your DH?s family don?t share your enthusiasm, it?s always hard telling people your plans when you know they will not approve. I have not stopped talking fertility with friends except my closest friends and on who I know is also trying!

Diege I got tempted by one of those books but DH keeps the credit card locked in a sound proof vault so I couldn?t get one! I would be tempted to see it please I am my name here italiangreyhound my age if I were 6 years younger 39 and it is at yahoo dot co dot uk thanks.

Been eating popcorn and now my farts smell of popcorn, is that normal!!! Sorry TMI. Good night all.

Rowing well, thoughts?? As I said on the other thread, each day I feel something different, adoption one day, fertility treatment the next! Have found a clinic locally that can do UK scans and a Spanish clinic with eggs and embryos. I am still quite undecided and still to speak to DH about it. But the good news for me is my hormones aren't raging and apart from shedding a few tears when I watched Benjamin Button tonight - I am not emotional, I am normal! Hooray!

Hello to all I have missed.

Hippy waves to you and your Spanish son, I think they won the footie! I didn't watch, too busy with Benjamin Button!

Hmm, wish I could go meet local mumsnetters like Diege (who is actually Dawn... no, it can't be!)

After lo-o-ng moan on AIBU about MILs, DH et al have arrived at some sort of compromise with DH that I can live with (and not get over-emotional or stressed out which will be bad for pregnancy). He's genuinely trying to do lot more around the house (when he's in) to give me some rest (and do I need rest, oh boy, this is some epic exhaustion!!) At least, he's the only one other than me who is super excited about impending DC2. And he wants to avoid another MC even more than me (he was deeply traumatised by last one, we girls are so much more stoic)

But am still not talking to my mom - who is still emailing me about how un-thought-over and ill-considered it is for me to get pregnant again- cos if I did I'll just have an aneurysm

It's gonna be a long 12 weeks... if we get that far...

Hello all, no news from me - I don't seem to have ov'ed this month, so all my swi has been in vain- am getting fed up with the whole thing now! (had to "accidentally" try bikinis on in front of dh yesterday in order to dtd - surprised it didn't put him right off tbh!). So cd 19 or 20 and looks like an anuovulatory cycle for me after last month's chemical pg/early mc, but I can't quite give up on swi just in case...

diege sorry that RTD got you. My cycle is much shorter these days too, with spotting from before then. This conceiving lark is pretty tough after 40.

rowing good luck for the weekend.

liah sorry you are in a crap place atm - I think you are like me and coming up to your due date aren't you? I really didn't think I would still be un-pregnant at this stage, and not quite sure how I'll get through the day itself.

Everyone else (sorry at work, so really shouldn't have this open on my desk in a fully open-plan office) good luck!

pollyanna don't give up on ovulating this month. I got a postive on an OPK on Sunday and seem to be ovulating today which is day 25 (if you count the first day of MC bleeding as day 1).

I usually ovulate on about day 12 -14 so as you can see it took my body a while to realise A) I was no longer pregnant and B) might as well shove out another bloody egg then!

Even though your CP was over fairly quickly it still could have delayed things for you. i looked back and after my MMC in feb I had egg whites about 3 weeks after my EPRC (we didn't try that month though so not sure exactly when or if I ovulated).

My due date would have been Aug 30th and I must confess that i have an almost desperate need to be pregnant again (with a good egg) by then. i guess if I'm not I will just have to get through the day as best I can. the awful thing is that i am actually thinking that - worse case senario- i could end up fitting in another MC before that date - but that is in my darker moments when I'm not thinking positively!

Keep SWI (love the trying on a bikini idea) you might still be about to ov. What was your due date? (Only tell me if you want to honey.)

italian Many people type - sorry TMI - but I've never heard someone apologise for popcorny farts before .

doubelshotte so sorry to hear about your fall out with your mum. i guess she is just worried about you. Do you have health issues? where is she getting the aneurysm idea from?

my due date was Aug 21st. So will be on holiday at the time which may help a bit (at least I won't be at work).

Yes, not given up on ov happening - useful to know Hippy that you are ov at day 25. I keep thinking I am about to ov, but haven't had a surge on the cbfm. (am a bit vague on cm, but think i may have egg whites...).

Doubleshot and Gum, my mum is completely horrible about me ttc and having more children. Sympathies for both of you, I don't know why my mum bothers, she doesn't help out and it doesn't affect her in anyway.

Anyone else with short cycles apart from Pollyanna ?

Just wanted to say I had those too and was about to check for high prolactin (pre-BFP)... sorry if this is an obvious one and you've all already ticked this box... but have you had hormonal levels checked? Usually a dose of cabergolin can fix it, has other good side effects too, generally leaves the body in a very good shape for TTC/pregnancy.

It's what I took before DD1. I know I've told this story umpteen times... I had pretty high prolactin (thx to ADs I was prescribed after a car accident), saw a great doc while abroad. She twigged immediately what was wrong (docs here were ready to write me off as infertile) and put me on cabergolin + lowdose aspirin + lots of vits. Lo and behold, a perfect baby 9 months later

Hippy thx for the kind words.

No, no health issues, (the aneurysm bit was me being OTT) and no one can say I'm not a devoted mum. Chucked pretty exciting career to be SAHM because I couldn't bear to be away from DD or the thought of anyone who didn't adore her as much as me looking after her all day blahdebla.... sad, I know...

So, I'm guessing Mum's anxieties stem from her having no experience like mine, she went back to work when I was 3 months, same with DB. We were looked after by 2 sets of loving grandparents, nannies, aunts... Hence, she'd be scared if she imagined herself in my place!

But DD has just got into a very sought-after playgroup plus nursery once a week. Things might just get easier with DC2.

Rainbow so sorry to read your news. Thoughts are with you

Lia thinking of you too and wishing you all the best

Rowing all the very best with the FET.

Lunatic you sound as if you have really "been throught the mill" with it all. Wishing you all the very best of luck.

Kiwikat fantastic news that you are now 20 weeks and about to find out the sex. Remind me, is this your first child. So sorry to hear about your MIL - any aprticular reason why she should decline an op.

Gum sorry your DH?s family don?t share your enthusiasm for having another child. I can kind of empathise as my DH's family are less than enthusiastic this time around although very supportive when having fertility treatment (resulting in our twins)

Italian yes I did post a few months back under the name alfiemac. Have been thinking alot about adoption but DH not so keen and if Im truely honest Im waivering between persuing adoption wholeheartedly or looking at egg donation abroad and other options. Plus, still hoping for a miracle conception!!!??

Hello to anyone else I've missed - in a rush as always.

Hello! A very quick one from me as leaving in a few mins to get train to Cardiff for work. Wanted to let Rainbow know how sorry I am to read your news on the other thread .
Rowing/Italian am e-mailing you now x
Lol Hippy at meeting Hairytriangle . I will think of you when I am meeting my other friends