Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Just to start us off.

May this be a happy and lucky thread for all of us.

Oh Jollster just seen your news . I am so,so sorry for you. You must be feeling wretched,yet sound so strong! I've only had the one MMC, at around the same time as yours, but can remember how awful the whole thing is. As other have said, hope you can get some answers/possible investigations done to see if there's a reason for it happening again? xx
Sassy sadly I also interpreted the post ov seminal fluid thing as Hippy did, so yes seems like the shagging will be relentless I feel quite drained even thinking about it..CD 7 here, and lots of EWM so thinking tomorrow I might start the old vest and shorts routine. Dh out tonight at his mothers so have pencilled him in for wed ad infinitum... I must get round to ordering soem ebay opks too!
Sounding very positive Lia - good to hear the sickness is back if that makes sense!
Hello to everyone else. Trying to work from home but not getting much done as dds here, plus one of their frineds. May debunk to playbarn at lunch with Grazia and Heat

jolly thinking of you again today, my love.

You are just so incredibly calm (well that's how you come across anyway). You are well loved on MN - so many people on the preg after MC thread sent you messages. i know it's no consolation but I just wanted you to know that loads of people care about you on here

lia good to hear you saw a heartbeat at 8 weeks. i know it's hard to believe it will go right (especially after Jolly's sad news) but it is a good sign and hopefully the next 4 weeks will fly by. I am going to defo try to catch you up this month (IYSWIM).

I know it's mad, but I got preg in May after a very short cycle in April and so I see that short cycle that I just had as a sign that I am going to get pregnant this month. It might be a case of a bit of a paradox (eg. I convince myself I am destined to get preg so i try very hard, hence i DO get preg!) Yes, I am mad .

Anyway, I am no longer experiencing those pains from the UTI so am going to SWI a lot this month

I found a thread on here last night about someone having a baby at 47 and I read it all. i did find it very encouraging. i must confess I was waivering a bit about keeping on with TTC, what with me turning 44 next week and also because of jolly's news. But reading that thread did make me think that it might be worth continuing.

diege I am also begining my mission tomorrow night (just incase I ov early again)- we are gonna be trying at the same time again (always a weird one).

Jollster - so sorry to hear your news, no words can make it better but hope all goes as well as it can.
Hippy I read the '47' thread it did give me hope as I too am having doubts about ttc. I have been offered testing after my latest MC just have to get the ball rolling by going to the GP. But I believe it is just my aged eggs that are the problem, think i'll give it one more try before I start going down the testing road. CD2 here but I don't ususally ov till cd19, that's ages away
so I can be grumpy and slobbish a while longer

Take care all spotty

Hippy, thanks so much for your kind message on the other thread... I was a bit knocked sideways at quite how strongly everything came flooding back once I'd had that unpleasant trigger taking me back to Feb's MMC... It's true what they say, no matter how much you think you're over it, you never really are.
Feeling much better today but I do need a plan for next time if I have to go back there. (sorry, probably misleading for the others here, 20 wk scan all fine which is great, but unpleasant and insensitive midwife at antenatal clinic)

Jolls I do hope the EPU are helpful with followup now, hopefully they will investigate and may find a reason that you can do something about. You're a stronger woman than I am contemplating going through it all naturally. My 11wk MMC is so fresh in my mind just now I really really feel for you going through this again.

Lia great to hear all well so far

Afternoon!Alba,have not read your other thread but great to hear all was well with the 20 week scan
Hippy we will indeed be holding hands again - with you be every other day-ing to? (just so that I can make sure we're synchronised )
I too have been having wobbles re: ttc-ing,mainly because this is the longest time it has ever taken me to get pregnant. I am fortunate in that I would love to have another baby, but it's not all-encompassing in that if it doesn't happen, I don't think I'd even visit my GP, just hang my boots up (she says now..). I've always said no.5 would be my iceing on the cake baby, for ds who seems very much on his own age wise, but pretty ok with it not happening. Hope that doesn't sound insensitive to those that are despertately trying for no.1 or a sibling!
Right better check my work e-mails now that they are all gathered round tv watching a Faraway tree video!

Ahhh - The Faraway Tree. I loved those books. I read them as a child and then re-read them to DS1. We also read the Wishing Chair.

diege I can't tell you when I will be doing it. i don't want you getting distracted and thinking, "hummmm wonder what Hippy is doing?" But (said secretly behind hand) I think we will be doing it every other day, yes.

jolly if you can persuade someone to do tests on this little bean it would be best (sorry if that sounds heartless), it might just make all the difference to next time. I do know someone (that annoying woman at work who is due to give birth soon) who had 3 MC's in a row, was just waiting to begin tests and then got preg again and this one has gone the distance. What a nightmare that you have to move at the same time as all this horror is going on. I wanna jump on a train to brighton and give you a big old hug .

Hi everyone

Just left a message on the other thread for Jollster and Alba but hope you're doing OK today Jolls. You really are fantastic in how you deal with this but remember you can have a bloody good vent and rant with us whenever you want. Alba - at the insensitive midwife. Just think karma!

Lia - great news re the scan. Enjoy the relief. Looking back, I wish I'd tried harder to switch off my worry wort radar - as we know only too well, worrying doesn't make any difference to the outcome....

Diege - I took a similar philosophy to you (I was trying for number 1) so know where you are coming from. For me personally, it helped keep my stress levels down (but completely appreciate that wouldn't work for everybody).

Didn't see the thread about the 47 year old lady - but encouraging. Did anyone read that article in the news recently about it taking an "average" couple 6 months to conceive and that they'd have sex 104 times before hitting the jackpot. Blimey exhausting just thinking about it! Don't want to even go back through my records on Fertility Friend and count them up!

alba I had a weird experience the other day.

My poor old MIL had to have a hysterectomy and we went to visit her at the hospital. I commented that we were going to have to go to the same ward as I went to for my EPRC. My lovely DS1 (10 yrs) was very concerned that I would be upset. When we got there, not only was she in the same ward but she was in the same room (4 beds in it).

She was diagonally opposite the bed i had. I kept glancing over to the bed and remembering how very sad I was that day.

i know how awful it is to re-visit these places and then for you to have a similar situation (being forced to do the sample etc) and have such an insensitive MW must have just been awful.

I am so glad to hear that your little one is doing just fine. I will try my hardest to join you on the pregnancy threads this month - promise.

Just told DH about the 104 average times - so we worked out that over 6 months that's 17 times a month.

"That's impossible" DH said...

Err.. no darling... that's only 3.6 times a week.. and some people can do it more than once a day too...

To be fair, I think he was thinking about 104 SWIs with no SWOIs mixed in at all.

Jolly hope you managed to fit some taking care of you into that busy schedule. Hope the appointment went ok. xx

blimmin heck, that's exactly my worry...
my four pregnancies are in a mathematical sequence; no 1 from 1 SWI, no 2 from 2, 3 from 3, 4 from 4.... I'm defo in the have a cup of tea camp...

Have arranged for an ERPC next Tuesday, hoping I will MC naturally before then. Have an acu appt on Thurs, hopefully she can kick things off.

Went to see my (teeny tiny) rented house today - it was quite depressing :( Still it's not for long, means to an end and all that....

Off for a hot bath! x

PS Alba if you're reading, was apoplectic about your treatment by that midwife. Scary how lacking in basic people skills some people WHO MOST BLOODY NEED THEM are.... Hope you're feeling a bit more ommmmm now x

Just a quick one from Italy to say I'm really sorry to hear your news Jollster. I was thinking of you on Monday.

To Gum, Italy is lovely, one of my favourite countries. Camp a bit dodgy though - football and lager on tap it seems. I'm not cut out for this everyone in surrounding caravans hates us - 5 kids in a confined space is not good. Hope swi is going well for all. I'm drinking lots of Chianti and lovely coffee.

Jolly Hope things kick off naturally. You are doing well to get all the practical stuff done. I went to Sussex Uni, and have fond memories of Brighton (I think you live there - don't you )

Had a look at the source article for the semen aiding implantation theory, and was very sorry I did. Not only is everyone quite right - we need to reclassify post-ovulation shags - as Shagging with intent to implant (SWITI) pronounced, I think Sweetie

But also, it mentioned another article that advised against uterine contractions in the implantation phase - i.e. female orgasms...

So here's the route march:
Early cycle - SWOI, cum if you wish, make encouraging noises.
Mid cycle - SWI, orgasms essential.
Post ovulation - SWITI - be careful not to cum - still make encouraging noises...

I think I need a decaffieniated tea now.

Hey Sassy me too, think you're a bit younger than me though? I graduated 1990? And never had the imagination to leave the place ...

Thanks BB, enjoy the Chianti.

Morning all x

No, you must be young than me then... I'm 40 - I started in 89 and graduated in 92. If you're older than me, you must have been one of those child geniuses?

I went to Edinburgh to do a masters and never had the imagination to leave the place either

Eh? Was your Masters in Maths ...

Morning! I love the regimeyou have worked out for us Sassy . In fact I said to dh last night about the research on semen and implantation,and that we were all grumbling about having to delay the much awaited slanket phase.He responded by saying, 'but that's good isn't it, don't they enjoy it???' to wish I hurridly said our whole reticience is very much tongue in cheek, blah blah, burying head in book.... Anyway, onwards and upwards for tonight!
Beattie hold on in there - sounds a bit nightmarish to me; try to ignore the other campers if they're giving you the evils. They should have gone to a 5 star hotel if they wanted seclusion from other people's children!
Jollster good luck with all the moving business and of course with hospital xxx
School shoe and uniform shopping this morning topped off with visit from hairdresser for all 3 dds and me this afternoon!

Jolly - you've confused me - I thought you were 41 - which must mean that if you finished in 1990, you started in 1987 - when you were 16 - or have I missed something. I am perfectly prepared to be wrong, as my head is not really in gear this morning...

Diege Inspired by you lot, I have realised how silly my approach to SWI was. Instead of going, well, "OH God, I suppose we ought to SWI tonight", I said nothing. Made a move on DH instead, and it was all far more satisfactory... afterwards he went "That was nice and unexpected". This, despite having sat next to me in the Fetility Clinic, whilst I described my cycle in much detail and knowing we are ttc, and actually, when I think of it, being one of the most intelligent men I've ever met. Yet he still thinks I jumped him cos he's a horny lay... - must be something to do with male brains.. a bit missing perhaps...

So there you go... less of the Oh God, and more of the oh Good!!

bless ya Sassy - no I'm 42, started in 86 @18, took a year out in 87/88 as my mum died, and then returned for final two years, graduating in 1990@22..... or am I getting me mafs wrong?

ha ha Diege - that made me smile. BLESS them all!

No, jolly - it is me... I have gone completely mad, and forgotten that 1990 is longer ago than 1992 when I finished. This is terribly worrying. I haven't drunk any thing today, but have clearly gone befuddled anyway. I call it bereaved-mother-head. I went and saw my linemanager yesterday, and told her I was ready to go back to work. God Know What Calamity will Befall the Place when I start back next Monday

You wouldnt' think I had 2 higher degrees now

I can't count... oh dear.. I can't count...

Sorry to hear about your Mum - that must have been tough..

This also means that we were most likely propping up Falmer bar, eating undercooked macroni cheese for the best part of a year together.... well, not all the time... obviously...

Will you two stop with the maths - you're giving me a flippin' head ache!!!

Hippy shouts from the roof tops, "I told you all to insist on a big 'O' after he has supplied the troops!!!!!" 1) It's only fair and 2) The uterine contractions give the lads a leg up.

I am gonna have to try to keep going after ovulation this month - SWITI.

sassy glad to hear things are hotting up in the Sassy household. I do always find that we are closer and work as a team more, after any kind of Sh-ing (with intent or not). I did laugh at you saying that despite your DH being one of the most intelligent ment you know he still can't work out why you jumped him - ha ha - they are funny creatures arn't they???

jolly Have you asked about any genetic testing on this bean?? Sorry to bang on about it - do tell me to shut up if I'm being totally insensitive , i just really want them to get to the bottom of why this is happening to you my love. xxx
ps. Why the move to a smaller house - what is the ends you are means-ing to??? IYSWIM.

diege "to which I hurridly said our whole reticience is very much tongue in cheek, blah blah" - this made me laugh like mad - love it

Hippy - how unnerving going back to the same ward. Sounds like you dealt with it well and it's another of those hurdles successfully under your belt.

Lunatic - did laugh at your decimel point in the 104. Mind you, interesting mental picture of one of you calling a halt to proceedings as 0.39 comes up!

SassySusan - love your DH's take on it! Blimey at your article - I was always pleased if we swung on the right days full stop so to speak!

Jollster - hope the acupuncture does the trick. How long is this new house for? Think positive - less space means you'll accumulate less clutter before your next move (well that's the theory).

Beattie - very impressed at you managing 5 kids in a caravan. You just need to throw in a dog for luck! Hope you have a plentiful supply of that chianti on tap!

Diege - after a day full of school shopping, sounds like you deserve a big bottle of vino too!

Hey, I just re-read sassy's post and realised that I'm now not allowed a bloody orgasm in the implant stage. Flippin' heck - that sounds a bit unfair.

Where are you finding all these articles, i need to double check!!!!!!

Sorry jolly I know you hate it when i talk dirty - that's just the kinda girl I am!!

I wouldn't trust me either Hippy - my head is not in gear today

Here's the link:
humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/15/12/2653

"Furthermore, uterine myometrial activity is increased during intercourse, especially in the event of female orgasm (Fox et al., 1970). These contractions may interfere with implantation of the early embryo"

But the health warning is that I have only flicked the article. I am also not a fertility expert Also, interesting to note, the original article is 10 years old. Hardly cutting edge...

We did ask the Fertility Consultant if there was anything we could do to improve our chances of conceiving, and he said, "yes, shag like bunnies all the time". He didnt' mention anything about me not having orgasms - maybe he thought I was miserable enough!

Hi all,
I just wanted to pop in and say HI!
I've been posting on assisted to get a bit of input from those gals. We are all in the non-swiing boat so that's kind of nice.
I think three plus years on a TTC thread is about my max , but I will keep popping in to cheer you all on [Gum, Hippy, Deige, Sassy, GPS, Beattie and everyone not wearing Slankets - you know who you are) Also to check for birth announcements (Jolly, Alba, TFLS)
Sassy are you in Edinburgh then? So am I!!
[violin screeches - Sassy looks horrified)
Or just ignore me if you aren't. [wanders off again]