Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Just to start us off.

May this be a happy and lucky thread for all of us.

I'm not Aussie Gum, but it was one of my favourite books when I was little. Is it a well known book there? No one seems to have heard of it here.

Good luck today rowing

gum sounds promising on the temps - do you have a triphasic pattern do you think?

(acutally I have a que about temping since you seem to know about it - does a dip in temps always mean ovulation? I had a very marked dip which FF is taking as ovulation, but part of me is wondering whether that is right and it actually happened the following day.).

Oh and on weight loss, I have tried various faddish diets since my mc, but started going to slimming world a couple of weeks ago and that is the working. Dull but works imo. I am also running.

On hair dye - yes I dye my hair. Only have a teeny bit of grey, but still feel the need to make the colour slightly more interesting.

Well, just sounded out DH about possible early viability scan (Private about £100), said my mom or my savings will pay (in case he objects to the cost). But he just lost it. Doesn't see the point, why not wait for the nhs scan, will know either way, the tests are confirmation enough, I'm being paranoid etc.

What is the point of an early scan? Because I don't want to go through the booking into hospital circus and long wait for 1st nhs scan only to learn there's nothing there...?

So, again, don't know how other MN'ers do it.

Tiredness, hunger and sleep-deprivation have robbed me of a brain anyway...

Oh DSL sorry you've had a "difference of opinion"...

I'm totally torn on the idea of an early scan. On the one hand it gives you an early warning/reassurance if you have a history of issues (forgive me I can't remember all your back-history). On the other I'm not sure if I'd feel worse if I had an early scan that was ok and then there was a problem later (that would have been the case in my MMCs).

I am sorry he's not more sympathetic.

Depending on your local EPU (where it seems service/policy does vary quite a bit) you can contact them for a reassurance scan direct, i.e. no referral; particularly if you have had any worrying symptoms (I went last time as had a tiny bit of coloured mucus, but more importantly just didn't feel right). But now he's dead set against it - that makes it quite hard.

I'm still unsure what to do - have booking in with midwife tomorrow, that's always entertaining... .

wave to all - special squeeze for rowing, and for my best mate beattie who I meet up with all the time in Bton playgrounds .....

Oh and grey?? - am greyer by the day (have a massive mallen streak too). Stopped getting coloured as was getting SOOOOOOOOO expensive; now hesitating as chemicals are a bit yuk (mind you didn't stop when pg with DS.)

Jollster thanks, I hadn't thought of a late-ish MMC situation. In which case even an early scan doesn't help Our EPU was very helpful last time but I'm now a bit doubtful about an early scan...

Lol at your "entertaining" booking appointment

Gum I desperately need to dye my raven locks which are increasingly dotted with grey . But last year pre MMC I used permanent allover dye and the results were awful, the hair went all dead looking and dull . On top of which I kept agitating that I'd harmed the baby/caused the MMC. So, in general, I won't do that again. Have some Body Shop natural hair colour sachets, might try that.

Rowing hope you get your BFP. Thinking of you a million arrow prayers!

doubleshotlatte MEN aren?t they annoying sometimes. When if he calms down and is normal again you could just say you are going and you are paying and if he is worried about anything it should be you and your feelings but then I know my DH would be the same and I don?t want to cause ructions between you so do as you think best but please do eat sleep and rest!

There may be some evidence that an early scan helps a pregnancy but I can?t find it, o maybe it is anecdotal. There are discussions on early scan on the internet and views are mixed so it is more whether you want it or not, doubleshotlatte.

Gum thanks, I have lost with Rosemary Connolly and Weight Watchers and all my friends are losing with slimming world but I guess I want to do it alone! Am I mad! I use a hair dye bought from the health food shop, it looks like any other and colours the same way but costs about £10 instead of £5 and is supposed to be healthy. I have heard of a connection (vague) between cancer and black hair colour and as I used to colour dark brown I was concerned BUT I am not sure how real the link is and I only colour once every 10 weeks or so. Not every 4 or 6 as some may recommend. Personally, I think grey hair ages a lot UNLESS you have always had it or have an ultra modern cut or you are white/blond/honey so it does not show but I am dark brown so it shows a lot!

Jolly, Hippy and all, waves and low fat choccie biscuits to all

My big thing today is pants! I bought some whopping Bridget Jones pants by accident and they are making me think I need to use them for something significant - like having a baby! For those of you still waiting for number 1 big pants may not hold such significance but when you have a baby you need to wear big unappealing pants for a while, especially if you have a C-section as I did (no, I am not too posh to push)., Anyway, keep feeling I need to put these big pants to use!

The hair colour I use is called Tint of Nature Gum and it really does colour like any othr but I am sure there are other 'natural' products out there you could try. The ones I tried were not as permanent and more messy to use. DH colours my hair to save money so was not happy with the messy ones!

PS Doubleshotlatte I really hope DH will calm down, when he does I really hope he will think about you and your little cargo and not adding to the stress you are already feeling. Sorry if I am forgetting stuff but I am assuming you have had a MC? IF not, try not to worry too much with all the stories on here about MC and if you have, still try not to worry! If DH is being unsympathetic try if you can to just think that he does not know how it feels. My dh was not too sympathetic when I had my MC and it was very hard but he just could not see how big a thing it was for me!

Hi guys. Sorry to just jump in - here are my random thoughts:-

1. I have dyed my hair forever- i stopped with my first pregnancy cos I was worried about chemicals etc. So - nice photo's of me with new baby and grey halo on head!!! second pregnancy i went ahead and dyed my hair and he turned out fine!!! (although oddly he has so many different colours in his hair people thing I've dyed it .) I dyed my hair with both my failed pregnancys but I do NOT think dying my hair had ANYTHING to do with the pregs failing.

diege See I knew we were your bestest friends.

jolly 8 weeks already - that is good news. I know your logic is that if you had looked at your other pregs at 8 weeks they would have heartbeats so it's not worth looking at this one - but isn't there some evidence that once you've seen a heartbeat you are far less likely to MC. If I get preg again I will probably go for a scan at about 7 weeks.

double My GP is lovely. She said when/if i get preg again she will sort out an early scan for me - even if we have to lie about a bit of bleeding. Surely with your background - you can get someone on your side - a different GP at the practice maybe???

rowing welcome to England - I hope you brought something wonderful back with you! (No - Not the duty free you wally!)

italian I wish I could help you with the weight lose but I am super model thin and can eat anything I like! Ahhh haa got you all going there!!! Seriously though, i am a bit over weight - curvatious is my word for it. I did lose 1 and a half stone before i tried to get preg with my second son. i did it through weight watchers. But I seem to be lacking the will power/enthusiasm this time around.

olivia & lia Take it one day at a time ladies. You'll soon be like Jolly - 8 weeks and counting. All the best lovies xxx

Anyone I've missed - sorry.

Just realised that I am getting doubleshot and lunatic fringe muddled up - sorry . Double I'm not sure what your history is re: MC's - sorry if I got it all wrong.

Am hitting myself with the 'stupid' stick as we speak - it that helps.

Just throwing my two penneth worth in too about hair colouring!!!! To bore you all, had to plough through loads of stuff on risk and pregnancy as part of my lit review for my research,so this is something I (unwittingly) have become a bot of an expert on
Evidence is overwhelmingly that it is safe to use permanent hair dye during pregnancy (this includes first 12 weeks). Pre-1980 there was a link with dark brown/black hair dye and bladder cancer. Since then they've had to change the lead compound (and some other chemical) that some of the cheaper home colours used (salon ones have always been ok)so nothing you buy over the counter will be harmful. The only 'proven' effect is that your hair may not 'take' so well to the colour in pregnancy, because of hormone effect. So, in a nutshell, no reason not to use dye during pregnancy. The one study that caused all the panic was one where they shaved rats, applied hair dye all over, 12 times a day, for an hour at a time, for 6 weeks . One of the rat's babies was born with a genital deformity. To have that sort of effect on a human I'd imagine you'd have to bathe in the stuff for several hours!
Anyway, will get back off my soapbox now and finish the 11 (yes, just 11!!!) exam scripts that are left...only 2 days over the deadline too!!!

waves back at diege.

Yes, I had heard that it might not take as well due to hormones but I figured worth the risk - cos I look BAD with grey roots. I look about 43 for goodness sake - and we can't have that!

Those poor rats!!!

If i get pregnant again I will refain from bathing in the stuff all day and should be fine.

So that's it ladies - no excuses we are having a dye-athon (instead of the shagathon). We all go blonde tomorrow - are you with me sisters????????

Hello, anyone there......

Dyathon sounds the business! .I actually went grey at 15 so have been colouring my hair on and off every three weeks since then...The only time I switched to natural dyes was during my pregnancy that was the mmc (went to an aveda salon), used usual permanents during other pregnancies and all fine. In fact I am having my roots done this Thursday - feel very miserable leading up to dye-day - like going out without make-up on. Only 5 scripts to go now!!!!

Ooh Diege that's encouraging about the dye, now I just have to go to a good salon in case my hair goes all funny again (i.e. to avoid that, sorry I'm not making much sense).

Italian, Hippy you're right about my MMC history, it's why I am/was so keen on the early scan.

It's only 9:30 but I'm nodding off at every other word... Here goes another night of waking up every 15 secs to wee... Still, it's a symptom wouldn't have it any other way...

'night!

p.s.: skulked for a bit on the march '11 antenatal thread, but didn't have the nerve...

Hi guys, I looked back at my charts to see how I was feeling one week after ovulation.

Looked at a month when i didn't get pregnant and I felt crampy with endo pain and weird boobs. Looked at May when I did get pregnant and it says I felt crampy with endo pain and weird boobs.

So here i am once again a week after ovulation and you can guess how i feel - crampy with endo pain and weird boobs.

So - I know nothing!!!!

Hippy that's the annoying thing about hormones, isn't it? Ah, the ebb and flow of good ol' Oestrogen. Can never tell if pregnancy 'symptoms' are really that or just cycle-related upheaval

Italian thank you for all your supportive words, it can feel very alone wanting to be reassured when DH isn't on board. I might have to trek into Harley Street with pushchair on my own, on dreaded (dreadful) summertime Tube. Eeyuk! But if I must, I must. At least I will know either way, and can stop feeling like a fake (I know, can't explain why I feel this way) if I see there is something there

Hello! Exam papers finally posted off and all marks inputted - apologies now to any 17 yr olds out there who will be sorely disappointed come results day
DSL, I understand your dilemma and think I would feel the same in your situation.Do you think you might go for a sneaky scan then? I suppose my worry in that situation would be that I may well regret it if things were too early,for eg,and dh being as he would be..
Hippy I agree about post-ov symptoms, totally useless - what 'day' are you on?
Well I seem to have lost my enthusiasm for ttc-ing..not that I've given up or anything,I just seem to have a massive mental laziness about the whole thing this month, not excited, not anxious, just feeling...well,'nothing'. I'm still taking my supplements but haven't bothered buying any opks.Not sure about the agnus now, but have started this month so I'll finish! I think I'm probably a bit exhausted with the job, the second job (exams) and family life - I just feel like I want to sleep!
Will get back into the thread now marking has finished,and not be so 'me' next time

Hi diege. Not sure what day I'm on really, cos this is the WTF cycle. It's about a week since I think i ovulated and judging by my boobs I did defo ov. (yes, they feel like someone elses again - ha ha).

Will not be testing early though. Would be disappointed at a BFN and at a BFP - plus I would be soooooooo scared of yet another failure.

so will wait a while and see if AF turns up.

DSL I'm hoping if you do decide to go for a scan that your DH will realise how much it means to you and come along too. Try to keep positive (I know how daft that statement is).

I have been lurking on here for some time... i have just graduated to this post having had my birthday on sunday... am ttc no 2. have had 3 mc.

Doubleshotlatte if you are worried and want an early scan, you can pop along to your local EGU and get a 'reassurance' scan. you dont have to prebook or get GP referral or anything. just rock up and maybe be prepared for a wait. i did when i was pregnant with my daughter at 7 weeks. i was hysterical and convinced that i was going through another MC. I didnt have bleeding... i just didnt feel pregnant (just like the 1st MC). It was a Saturday. At the EGU they were great (as usual...!!) Not sure if experience is the same everywhere with NHS... but am in Lon and live near large hospital... Having the scan reduced my stress levels which was important!!

I think it is time for me to sign out for a bit. I will sign back in when things are clearer for me but I wish you all the very best and will continue to lerk! How do you spell that word!

I think it is time for me to sign out for a bit. I will sign back in when things are clearer for me but I wish you all the very best and will continue to lerk! How do you spell that word!

Thanks to all

If anyone want to email me you can do so on my name italiangreyhound and my imaginary age 39 at yahoo dot co do uk

Thanks to all

Italian, I will miss you.Come back when you feel things are clearer and let us know how you are.

Hi everyone else, how's things?

I've been reading but haven't had much chance to sit down and write. Should be cooking up potato curry for tonight's dinner, but will get to it soon...

Well, I'm 7 dpo and not nearly as frantic as previous months. Don't know why exactly. I'm having zero symptoms, so perhaps there's no point in obsessing. I'm liking the look of my chart - it very closely resembles the chart I had when I got pregnant with Charlie.However, I had more early symptoms with him,so I'm not really feeling hopeful, but not feeling negative either.Will just have to wait and see.I'm really going to try and hold out til next Thursday to test.I have an acupuncture appointment that day, and want to know before I go in if I am pregnant or not, because it makes a difference to the way she will treat me.

BeatieBow, until a few years ago we taught that novel (Playing Beatie Bow) in year eight English classes.Nowadays we are doing much more modern stuff, but I still love the book.They made a tv series in Australia too.We loved it.

You asked about temping, sorry it took so long to get back...I don't necessarily get a temp drop before ovulation and the only sure fire way to know that you have ovulated is after the fact : when you get three raised temperatures in a row. Have you read Taking Charge of your Fertility by Toni Wheschler? It is very informative when it comes to charting. I love it.

Welcome Lateatwork, you'll be in good company here.

Rowing, how are you? Recovered from your flights?

Hippy, when will you be testing? Is it around the same time as me?Let's get some bfps,'ey?

Okydoke, better get on with the cooking.I'm trying to do all my evening meals in the morning as lately the evenings have been chaotic with my LO.I think he is harder work now than when he was a little baby!

italian the very best of luck for the future, you know where to find us cackling mad women

hippy Please can you test pos very soon, cos my fingers are so tightly crossed they've gone numb. I want some bump buddies, (please raise your hand if you offered a few days ago cos I can't remember)

Started nausea last night woohoo, sure i won't be saying that in a few weeks but for now am thrilled I have symptoms.

I think I will go for a scan about 7 wks, seeing doc tomorrow, Should've been monday but the week got busy and haven't had time. Will ask about early scan.

Still shitting myself but am believeing it a bit more now, maybe i'll even get a baby at the end this time..

Have good day all, waves toanyone I've missed. x

lia Will do my very best to catch you up lovie.
Keep taking each day as it comes - the time will fly (well probably not - but here's hoping.)

italian Take care honey. We'll all still be here waffling about our temps and our bloody eggwhites when you pop back .

jolly - alright my dear??????

alba how many weeks are you now??

gum Not planning on testing for a while yet. Don't want a BFN but am scared of a BFP!!! Might just wait for AF. Good luck when you test.

rowing any symptoms to report yet?