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Assisted conception (and the bits in between!) - part 4 - all welcome

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mummycat1 · 28/10/2009 19:39

Starting new thread with massive congratulations to Nanoo I reckon the old man can wait till he gets home! But of course - it's up to you really xxx

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Idreaminchocolate · 12/03/2010 13:01

Hi Ladies,

I've popped in for lunch today (having some sort of healthy salmaon doofer).

Italino - is it this Piccolo Levriero Italiano you like? Sooo cute! Here is the link to that book on Amazon. I tried to get it at the library but couldn't and when it turned up from amazon I saw that it was a Canadian (or American) book, which is probably why.

Oh Isle, sorry to hear you're feeling so lousy [hug + 2 x chocolate martini emocion]. I think you should just be really kind to yourself and not try to force yourself to feel happy - because it's pretty understandable that you don't. If you don't let yourself feel what you're feeling and grieve, you won't properly get over it and be able to move on (sorry for the pop-psychology). How's your DH dealing with things?

KiwiKat, I think you're being amazingly strong. I hope I cope with the 2WW in such a level-headed way!

Happy Friday everyone else - it's nearly the weekend!!!!! xxxx

pumpkinjoy · 12/03/2010 13:10

Hi all-big hugs to everyone.

Italian sorry didn't make much sense in my last post-I seem to be abit dizzy these days. £600 is fine-I don't think you can put a price tag to these things. If we get a positive result-am happy. Don't fancy the idea of an emotional rollercoaster but if that's what it takes....

Kiwi It seems my DH is the one who is not up for BDing at any other time! He really wants our 1st DD/DS and I think somehow has a theory it's best to save up the spermies. I, meanwhile, still dream/think back to romantic interludes (Where have they gone?)Hope you're feeling okay and the symptoms are positive ones.

Looking forward to a nice relaxing wend and booking a nice holiday somewhere exotic next month! xxx

islegrin · 12/03/2010 15:35

Idream thanks, I'm just worn out and confused. I think I'm over the grief part, at least the disappointment of the BFN. But I don't really know where to go from here and I'm a bit burnt out. It seems like a lot of work to get the pieces together to try again, this time. My hub is always happy and fine whatever comes because we have a good life. Luckily, he reminds me of that everyday.

Pumpkin the exotic vacation sounds great! I think you will have really good luck with this treatment.

NewMember · 12/03/2010 16:37

Hi Ladies,

Are any of your recieving ICSI?

X

Amberc · 12/03/2010 16:55

Just had ICSI New Member if I can be of help?

Cerubina · 12/03/2010 18:17

Hey all

Bumpless how are you feeling now? Any developments to report? Hope the bladder and other bits are feeling comfier now.

Dueling and Riggly hope the injections are going OK, no more accidents and no nasty side effects. Are you feeling alright on them? Let us know when your scans are coming up.

MM, sorry that you had to deal with asinine comments in the pub. Really difficult to shrug that stuff off at the best of times, let alone after a loss. Clearly they weren't thinking, had no idea that their comments would resonate like that, but you do wish people would shut the f* up sometimes don't you. I hope you have some nice plans for the weekend to treat yourself or let your OH look after you a bit?

Italian you sound very chilled out about the timing of your ET, which is definitely the best approach given that it's kind of out of your hands. It's probably a good idea to let your emotions blow every now and again rather than bottling things up and stressing over it, which is so easy to do. Hope the endless downregging isn't getting you down.

Amberc well done with the weightwatchers etc. Are you feeling quite focused on the healthy lifestyle? I think it tends to be easier at the start when you're all fired up to change your lifestyle, the trick is keeping it going when you have been at it a while! Have you set specific goals?

Pumpkin it must have been so frustrating to miss your counselling appointment because of stupid work! But good news that you have your appointment quite soon. Definitely worth asking them specifically whether a course of clomid on its own could be worth it for you, although adding IUI might make you feel as though you are giving it more of a go. Good luck with it.

Idream - how exciting to be getting started on Your Cycle! So if your nurses are all off on day 21, what's the impact on you? Do you just go in on day 22 instead, no harm done? Or does it change anything about the process?

I think the emotions wax and wane a bit through all this don't they. It would be pretty hard to be either always positive or always crushed when you get babies dangled in front of you. At times I positively glare at women with bumps/babies, and at others I feel reasonably normal and take it more in my stride. I do struggle to listen to people moaning (however lightheartedly) about their children keeping them up at night, or having better social lives than them etc - things that all parents seem to think are obligatory comments. I tend to glaze over or change the subject when they do that as it always pisses me off!

Yay for your two little passengers Kiwi. Very glad that they both made it to transfer. Fingers crossed for you and them! Have you got nicknames??

Chocolate, biscuits, a drink from the bar and a big cosy duvet for Isle to help you feel better. I agree with Idream that sometimes you have to just go with the sad times, they are there for a reason and you'd be kidding yourself if you just tried to carry on as though nothing has just happened to you. But you obviously have a great OH to lean on, and your own nature won't keep you down for long I don't think. In the meantime please don't feel you have to be upbeat for us if you're not feeling it, we all take our turn at needing a stroke here once in a while.

We had our appointment with the fertility specialist at Zita West today. She was really nice, asked lots of questions and we discussed everything quite thoroughly. The upshot is we have a referral to see Dr Raj Rai (who is a m/c specialist mainly based at St Mary's hospital, but does a session once a month at ZW). She seemed to think that it was likely we would get a diagnosis of "just bad luck", but the fact that we had a m/c at 10 weeks apparently is more notable than an early one and suggests some tests are a good idea. The appointment with him is in 5 weeks, unless we get a cancellation for his next clinic next weekend. So fingers crossed someone else gets pregnant and doesn't need their slot!

One interesting thing our lady said was that we should make sure we have sex when we're not in our fertile window (this may be of relevance to all of us who are feeling a bit meh about all the sex these days!) We have been timing it to start on about day 10 and continue until after ov has happened, but then stop - so there are usually around 2-3 weeks off the babymaking. She said it's important to keep cycling the sperm regularly, otherwise the first few attempts each month are going to be using old stuff. Which all makes sense. We'll give it a try once we get back on the horse again. Oh, and my husband's pants seem to be a bit on the snug side so maybe we have to go shopping and get him some new ones!

After that I went for my massage and it was LOVELY. Not only relaxing but also a bit "releasing", in that I felt quite soothed by it and had a couple of tears. Reminds me that I must make sure I do things to help the emotions out and not just try to focus on looking forward etc, which is all very positive but important to deal with the sadness too.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend planned - we are having fish and chips tonight!

riggly · 12/03/2010 20:31

Cerubina Hope you ae enjoying the fish and chips! I'm really glad you've got an appt for some investigations, even if the conclusion does turn out to be just bad luck at least then you'll be able to stop (or reduce) worrying next time (which hopefully will not be to far away). I was interested to see what your fertility specialist said about having sex all month round as it were, we have been told to stop sex for the whole IVF cycle (I think to make sure I don't get pregnant by accident while taking all the drugs). This means hubbie will not have produced any fresh sperm for around 6 weeks before the big day - should he be 'practicing' beforehand? I'm sure we were given some instructions about this before he had his sperm tested but that was ages ago now and I've forgotten. The clinic hasn't told us anything (and we've had so much information and thought the must have told us everything!). What have other people been told?

Idream I had an appt before day 21 when I got a prescription and then just had to start injections at home on day 21 so maybe you be able to have an appointment the day before. We might be on different protocols though.

NewMember We are having ICSI, although I haven't got to that bit yet, as are a number of other people on this thread.

to everyone else

riggly · 12/03/2010 20:33

Forgot to say I'm still injecting (gradually improving!) and have a scan on Thursday

Amberc · 12/03/2010 20:35

Hi all, Cerubina, I have just been reading the first bit of the Zita West Guide to Fertility and Assisted Conception and it's really amazing so I am at your consultation. I have decided that when I get round to the next IVF cycle I am definitely going to do the ZW accupuncture even though I am a massive complementary therapy sceptic. It's great that you have the app with Dr Raj Rai - I hope you get the answers you are looking for. On my healthy new me drive, my main goal is to get to a 'normal' bmi. I also do need to get more sleep but I suffer from terrible insomnia and can't really medicate because of DS. I also need to get my thyroid under control which is another barrier to weight loss.2 years down the line and I am still not on the correct dose! Still, these are all achievable IMO and I have to think positive otherwise I will get very upset about it all. I know it shouldn't but even though I have a beautiful child it still feels like a dagger through my heart to think I won't have another.

Bumpless how is your poorly bladder? I know how you feel as I remember holding my pee in too long once before and it hurt to pee for about a week later!

Kiwi - how many days wait do you have now - any symptoms?

to everyone else, I agree that you shouldn't hold your emotions back, it's not at all healthy and I am testmanent to that as I got horribly ill when my dad died from holding in all my feelings. I hope everyone has supportive friends and family to bring them chocolate and watch girlie films with x

PS - that little doggy was gorgeous!

Amberc · 12/03/2010 20:38

Riggly - X posted - it's a good idea for DP to 'clear out the pipes' every now and then and to definitely do so three days before his man goo is needed!

Idreaminchocolate · 12/03/2010 21:32

NewMember (ha ha - all this talk of sex and man goo got me to thinking that maybe your name is a bit rude!!!) Me me me - I'm (we're) doing ICSI!!

Cerubina Mmmmmm - fish & chips (Homer stylee). I think I was a little unclear earlier, the nurses were on their away day when I rang to make my day 21 app, so I had to ring again the next day to make the app. My appointment is on 30th March and I have already had my prescription and got my drugs (huge great big carrier bag of them!)and apparently they are going to show me how to do my injections on day 21. I think you're very fancy having an appointment with Zita West herself!! V. impressed! Glad to hear that you've got a plan of action.

Pumpkin where are you planning on going? I'm currently fancying a nice country hotel weekend break at the moment, but think we'll wait until after the treatment and see how things pan out.

There doesn't seem to be much sex going on on this thread considering it's a TTC thread! Maybe we're all bonked out! Here's a little story to keep you all amused on a Friday evening:
At our last appointment at the ACU we requested that DH have another wash & swim-up sperm test. At the front desk the nurse handed over the cum-pot (we call them kumquats in our house - infertility humour. It's a little like gallows humour...) and asked if an appointment on Wednesday (it was currently Monday) would be okay, bearing in mind it's required to have had at least a 2 day period of abstinence. As we had last had sex on the Friday night, I piped up "Yes, that's fine". DH (head down) was like "Um, no, that's not any good" and me, totally not getting the point said "No, it's okay, there's been enough days" and to the nurse "Yes, that's fine, he can come (!) on Wednesday". DH through gritted teeth "Nooo - Wednesday isn't any good". Luckily the nurse got it before I did. I am so dense sometimes (and pretty annoying I suspect!!). That was a little embarrassing. Just goes to show that we don't actually have to be having sex in order for the guys to keep their baby-gravy flowing!

Italiangreyhound · 12/03/2010 23:12

NewMember welcome. We may have ICSI, if we need it. Can I help by answering any questions? I doubt it as we have not had it yet!

islegrin Hi babes, so sorry it is all gloom for you at the moment . Maybe some time doing other things as well would help a little. Maybe time for some art classes, creative writing, whatever, find some creative expression that does not require a million embryologists! Just an idea. I find things like charity or voluntary work are helpful in reminding me of what I do have that is great. But whatever happens, please don't feel in the dark alone, tell dh how you are feeling and let him give you a great big cuddle. I'm sure you have. I have many single, childless friends who would love a dh.

pumpkinjoy Tell dh not to save spermies, they are only good for a while! They need to get used up! And what better way than sharing a little lurve with you. Get the Zita West book and tell him that some passion will make it more likely to happen and not less!

Cerubina hope the fish and chips were great. Thinking of you. I met Zita West at the Fertility Show in London. She was lovely, she spotted my bloated tummy immediately and asked if I and been scanned. I made my usual joke; my insides have been photographed more than Princess Diana!

riggly please check with your clinic about what your dh needs to do with his sp*rm before the actual day of insemination. My dh was told something like abstain for between 2 and 5 days before-hand.

Amberc I am an insomniac too, it has got worse as time has gone on, I just don?t feel like going to bed once it gets late! Where do you think yours comes from? If it is not too personal to ask.

Idreaminchocolate your dh sounds like he is getting more sx than most of us put together! Last night's sx did not happen, I was busy ironing! When did things get so dull! Maybe tonight.

Nothing new to add on our status except I started the Progenova today, two tables. We continue now increasing the amount until our scan in about a week's time. I am excited about it all.

DuelingFanjo · 13/03/2010 09:07

islegrin I hope you are feeling better, it's so hard to stay positive and optomistic when you get a BFN. I am starting to think that I might not try again after this and I am only at the injections stage. I really hope you do feel strong enough to give it another go and that your husband keeps on supporting you. Thinking of you both.

Idreaminchocolate love the use of 'baby dangling'; Isn't it so annoying. My work mate has to grab and Cwch (Welsh cuddle) any baby which is brought into our office while I always stand well back thinking bitter thoughts.

Cerubina glad the appointment at Zita West went well, though I think I would really hate a diagnosis of 'just bad luck'! I have heard about the regular sex thing too. riggly my nurse hasn't given us any advice on sex except to stop I think 3 days (or is it 5) before transfer, we've not actually had any sex since Monday which was the day of my scan and his repeat sperm test (So he definitely had a w*nk!) so am planning it for tonight just to keep things moving about - the things being his sperm!

Am doing ok with the injections, am finding it a whole lot easier now as my DH is making up the menopur injections and I just have to stick them in. I was being such a control freak and getting into a panic if I thought he was leaving any of the medication on the vials so have decided to step back and just let him get on with it. It's so much less stressful that way. I HAVE managed to master snapping the tops off the water ampoules without ripping my fingers off though - yay for me!

My belly doesn't feel too sore at the moment and I only have 2 lots to do and then a scan to see how I am progressing (on Monday) so at least then we will know if it's working and we'll be on the way to EC.

My side effects have been mild, I feel a bit sick when I wake up in the morning but am drinking loads of water so am well hydrated and feeling ok. Putting the needles into my flesh is getting harder though and I do hesitate before doing it. I can't wait for that part to be over to be honest and it's made me think twice about doing it a second time if I get a BFN.

I don't know if others feel like this but I find it so weird that I am in this position. As a teen and all of my twenties I didn't even want kids and so to be here now, sticking needles into myself to try and achieve a family - well it's all just so odd. I went out for a posh meal last night and half the group knew about my IVF while the other half didn't. Lots of questions about why my DH was on the wagon. I didn't really want to spill my guts to the half who don't know as it was someone's birthday and thought it might be a bit of a conversation killer!

Anyway - new sofa arriving today and then I think I will get out into the sunshine, even if it's just to tidy up my back yard!

Thinking of you kiwi and good luck with the Progenova Italiangreyhound.

Idreaminchocolate · 13/03/2010 10:38

Duelingfanjo - Yay indeed for you (for getting the hang of the ampoules and also for letting go a bit and letting DH sort out the meds). Are you in Wales? I thought I was the only lady on the thread not in London. Have you been continuing with your acupuncture (although I'm sure more needles is the last thing you need at the moment!!).

Islegrin, I agree with Italian on the "creative outlet" thing. I started writing for the first time about a year ago to actively help take my mind off not getting pregnant and I now have a pretty good start to a novel (several chapters and a synopsis), the start of several other novels and a short story which I'm really proud of that I'm going to enter into my council's annual short story competition this month. I'm really pleased that out of the barren (no pun intended) no man's land that is unsuccessfully TTC, I have managed to create something and hopefully in the future find myself a new career using it. BTW, my stories aren't necessarily about TTC either, although there is that theme running in some of them.

Right ladies, I'm off now. First stop shopping in Manchester with my mum and littlest sister (cue lots of coffee and cake etc!) then off to see Ronan Keating in concert (cue lots of squealing and over-excitement from the 3 of us). We're on the 2nd row and I think me and my sis may have a hard time stopping my mum climbing up on the stage and accosting Mr. Keating!!!!

DuelingFanjo · 13/03/2010 12:37

Idreaminchocolate - yes I'm in Cardiff. I had acupuncture on Wednesday, very strange. She put a pin in the top of my head which meant she had to climb up onto the table. Your writing sounds really interesting. I blog but not sure I have the discipline to write a novel!

Enjoy the shopping and the gig

Italiangreyhound · 13/03/2010 14:00

DuelingFanjo sorry it is all a bit much at moment, it does get better. You've got the exciting bit to come. I must admit my dh once injected me with pain sterile water and I noticed he had not done the ampoule, (he always got it out ready at the start) I pointed it out and he stared to get ready and again and AGAIN was just about to inject plain water. I must admit we were in a hotel so it was all a bit different and he was a bit distracted!

Idreaminchocolate good luck stopping your mum from accosting Mr Keating. I am also not in London! I go to a clinic in the midlands and live in the Home Counties.

Wow Idreaminchocolate and DuelingFanjo writing blogs and novels and short stories. How great. I also write short stories but mostly for kids. Not been published yet except my poems in a magazine thing.

I am now beginning to think that if this does not work I will be happy to look at adoption for another baby. I even found myself thinking about my career a bit more. Don?t want to discourage anyone form going for it 1000% but I now feel for me I am getting to the end of it all. But I do feel creative, always have, and I feel good at finding things that will provide benefit to my life and not all being about TTC! Well done on for writing.

Italiangreyhound · 13/03/2010 14:03

Sorry that sounded about dramatic, again and AGAIN, I meant he tried to inject me with plain water a second time, (not a third) and I stopped him in time!

Cerubina · 13/03/2010 15:07

Wow, lots of replies since last night! The fish and chips were delish, thanks for asking.

Just to correct a small misunderstanding, we didn't actually see ZW herself but one of her specialists. I had a good look round as we went up the stairs, but she was nowhere to be seen! I think if you see the great lady herself it costs a fair bit more.

riggly I would definitely make sure your husband gets jiggy one way or the other every few days during your cycle as 6 weeks off would be an awful long time. But obviously make sure he abstains for a few days before the EC.

I had acupuncture just earlier and my therapist revealed that she has had (successful) egg donation treatment. Thought it might be of some interest to our ladies who are on this path - she has had premature ovarian failure since the age of 28 and went to Spain for treatment, got lucky first time. She's now 4 months pregnant. She was very positive about the treatment and says it has an excellent success rate so I hope we get the same for Bumpless and Italian!

Do your best to keep your mum under control eh Idream. Ronan certainly knows what he is doing timing a concert to coincide with Mothering Sunday - talk about knowing your audience! Have fun! Your story about the conversation with the nurse made me laugh - I'd have been as slow to twig too, for sure. But please don't say "baby gravy" on here again...eww!

Dueling I know what you mean, but actually getting an all-clear from the doc would be more than OK with me. If there was something properly wrong then it would probably make me more pessimistic about future success, whereas I think I can live with "just unlucky". Apparently only 1% of couples have three consecutive m/cs - I'd have to feel better about those odds, although I reserve the right to need constant reassurance on here if I do get pg again! I think you did the right thing not telling everyone at dinner last night, well for me anyway this stuff is private enough that I am being choosy about who knows we are having problems/treatment.

I didn't tell you did I - my mum relayed a conversation she'd had with my sister (who is an idiot and we don't have a close relationship, just to make that clear). Mum said she'd told her I had had a second m/c and her considered response was "I bet she can't carry boys". Never mind that NO ONE knows what gender they were, this is obviously bullshit nonsense but it's anyone's guess what purpose it was meant to serve. Make me feel like it's a failing with me? Remind me that she can carry boys (she has two)? Remind me that she's hard of thinking? I have to shake my head. You can't choose your family after all but I have to say she'd be one of the ones I kept out of the loop. No point sharing this stuff with people who have no experience/empathy.

Amberc that sounds like a tricky combo of issues to manage. I hope you get your thryoid treatment to the right level soon, I presume they are keeping a close eye on you?

Right, got to go to the supermarket now (hooray...) Husband is up seeing his mum for the weekend, and I'm seeing my parents tomorrow for lunch. Have I already said all this? It really feels like it - sorry if so!

Amberc · 13/03/2010 21:17

Cerubina - wow - the sister - what?!!! What a very odd remark to make and how unsupportive - hope you don't mind but what a silly cow. Anyway I think I have said this on the thread before but my sis had three miscarriages and is now 27 weeks pregnant so touch wood everything looks good at the mo for her and might do for you too (she was unlucky - no physical problems in investigations). She's had her cervix sealed up and is taking aspirin every day and progesterone suppositories to make sure.

I have a thyroid blood check on Monday - fingers crossed things have settled (straight after my first weightwatches weigh in). Actually I have to keep biting my lip not to call it fat fighters!

I am extremely impressed at all the creativity on this thread. No wonder everyone writes such great entries! I did think before that all the members of the thread wrote beautifully and now I know why!

Idreaminchocolate - I PMSL at your baby gravy post - how funny - your Dh must have been mortified! I have told my DP to give himself a seeing to as often as possible ('cos I can't be arsed!). I think he only manages once a week though. Cerubina - baby gravy not to be mentioned but Man goo is alright?

Italian, I have had insomnia since june 2003. Without being too morbid, this is when my dad was dying of cancer. It was all very quick from diagnosis to his death and I spent every night lying awake wondering if the phone was going to ring. I guess that's where it all started. Actually I have all sorts of psychological problems which stem from that now such as worrying about getting too close to people in case they die/leave. The insomnia goes up and down but going through a mega bad ohase at the mo (not helped by DS's bad sleep patterns and having all the IVF stuff to think about AND builders in!)

Anyway - need an early night tonight as I only got 5 hours last nigth in two bursts 2 hours and then 3 so I am fecking knackered!

Good vibes out to all those waiting for good news x

PS - I think everyone on this thread is lovely

MercenaryMom · 13/03/2010 23:34

Hi all. Great to read such positive posts!

Cerubina I'm glad that you've made it to the Zita West clinic (even if you didn't see Madame herself) and that you're having some investigations. Information is power.

As for your sister, well... I recently took driving lessons from a wonderful woman instructor. I was very tense and would get flustered everytime someone in another car beeped me, overtook me, or did something generally foolish (which in London is all the time). Her philosophy was to say "bless them" and then forget it: all you can do is forgive and forget because the angrier you get, the more damaging it is to you - not them. It sounds a bit simplistic, but it does work (so well, I've now got my license). So all I can advise is bless her for her ignorant comments and forget them... you don't need that kind of negativity in your life right now, so don't let her get to you!

Enough junior psychology, back to the run down...

Dueling and Riggly I hope the injections are going smoothly without any unnecessary blood loss!

Italian great news about starting the pregnova - getting excited for you.

Kiwi and Bumpless I'm sending you sticky vibes (as well as bladder healing vibes)! I'm so excited for you - and you're both so remarkably calm about your 2wws!

Idream hope you managed to keep your mum off the stage and you all left with your knickers still on...

Amberc I'm glad to hear the new positive regime is going well even though it sounds like you've got a lot to deal with. Stick with it!

I'm trying to follow in your footsteps and be more positive - with mixed success. I planted a flowering shrub in the garden to remember the MC. I've scheduled a new appointment at the IVF clinic on Tuesday, so going to get things moving there. And best of all, I had a massage today that left me weak kneed and drooling it was so relaxing. I definitely need to start doing that more often! Unfortunately, I'm stressed to tears about work at the moment and seeking solace in sweets...

Earlier tonight when I was reading through the latest posts, my DH was pestering me and asked what I was reading. I told him I was reading about man goo and baby gravy. He immediately fled the scene and hasn't bothered me again. Well done to all involved!

Italiangreyhound · 14/03/2010 02:15

Hi all, positive baby goo/gravy (does that make the egg the Yorkshire pudding) to all - apologies Cerubina for saying gravy!

Cerubina I wonder if you sis just did not know what to say. As she has two boys maybe part of her feels a bit guilty that you are having problems. Maybe she was reading something like that in the paper or just thinking about it. I kind of agree with MM, bless her, she has made you an auntie and she does not understand how you are feeling or what it is like. Lovely good friends to me say all kinds of things that they think are helpful like if I stop thinking/worrying about it maybe it will happen (er, I don?t appear to have any eggs so not sure how but I do believe in miracles). People say that I should be happy with the one I have, as if wanting another is to say I am not happy with DD (who this week has told me twice that I am the worst mum in the world and once that I am the loveliest mum in the world!). SO ramble over, I agree with MM just move on in your mind and do not let these thoughts touch your heart, we don?t know the future and we will all see. I just hope you will all keep posting as I really want to know what will happen with all of us!

Amberc Thanks for your kind comments about us all being lovely. What a great thing to say. So sorry to hear about your insomnia and totally understand how you feel. My dad died of a hear attach very quickly and my mum called at 6.30 a.m. to tell us. Now when a phone rings early or late I anticipate bad news and panicked the other night when Mum called at about 11.00 to say she had forgotten to give me a shirt she had for me, which I (of course) knew as I did not have the shirt!

It?s a weird time. I have offered to babysit for a friend who is having her third baby so I am ?on call?. I will go and be with kids if they need me if other relies are not available. I almost feel as if it is me waiting for the pains to come! She texted to say that nothing much was happening so now I am fully expecting (waiting expectantly!!) a call in the night! I must get off to bed so can be alert if needed, as they say, the world needs lerts!

Italiangreyhound · 14/03/2010 02:27

That is heart attack not hear attach and Cerubina I'm sure you know your sis really well so maybe you think there is something more to what she is saying. Maybe she just has her theories, maybe she is trying to make sense of it! But don't worry, there is no reason to think that this is actually anything to do with you, it is just your sister's thoughts.

NewMember · 14/03/2010 11:14

Hi Amberc, Riggly, Idreaminchocolate and Italiangreyhound

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I really do appreciate it.

We are very new to this, we have been TTC for 17 months with no joy after lots of tests and appointments we have found out it is a MF issue, DP has very low sperm with poor mobility! As I keep reminding DP this is not his problem, it is our problem.

We have been told the way ahead for us is ICSI, I am just so scared it does not work for us.

Our waiting list is also 24 months long although they have backdated it to our original appointment - so we should be due to start treatment around October 2011.

Have any of you had ICSI before, how is the process!

NewMember (hee hee I see what you mean with my name) LOL x

Amberc · 14/03/2010 21:28

Italian, so sorry to hear about your father - it is truly awful when you lose a parent. I know what you mean about a late or erly phone call - I think most people would think the worst.

New member - We had ICSI a few weeks ago. Unfortunately it was not successful for me. We had it because I only made two eggs and my DP has sub optimal sperm so they didn't want to take any chances. We made one grade 1 embryo but in this instance it didn't work out. Going to try again in a few months though. You go through exactly the same process as a normal IVF until egg collection where instead of letting the sperm naturally fertilise any eggs collected in a petri dish, they inject a healthy sperm directly into the egg giving it a much greater chance of fertilisation. I think there are some negatives but I'm not sure what they are - I think maybe increased chances of genetic problems but don't quote me on that. When are you booked in for?

KiwiKat · 14/03/2010 22:01

Evening all - just popping on very quickly to catch up on your news before heading off to bed.
Nowt much to report from me - I'm going for the blood test at the crack of dawn next Monday 22nd, and they will phone me about 4 that afternoon to tell me if I'm pregnant or not. Was going to wait for that to find out, as I'd rather HOPE that I was pregnant, than KNOW I'm not, but a friend convinced me that I would be a complete mess that day as I waited to hear, then the news would tip me one way or the other, and work would be a complete washout. So have decided to test on the Sunday 21st, so that I can deal with all of the emotions (happy or sad) before work the next day.

Sleepy hugs to you all x

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