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Assisted conception (and the bits in between!) - part 4 - all welcome

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mummycat1 · 28/10/2009 19:39

Starting new thread with massive congratulations to Nanoo I reckon the old man can wait till he gets home! But of course - it's up to you really xxx

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Italiangreyhound · 28/02/2010 23:14

MM Thinking of you, so sorry that today has been bad. Please enjoy your wine. Had the fizzy white wine today and it was fab. Now back on the wagon.

Amberc · 01/03/2010 10:22

Well I am well and truly not pregnant. Got a full scale period that even the cyclogest could not hold back. Did the test this morning for the sake of the clinic but I knew what it would say. Very very disappointed as you can imagine. I have asked the GP about IVF on the NHS and as I thought I am not entitled as i already have a child. I am frightened that the next cycle will fail too as we have said two is our maximum. I am going to try to lose weight and get myself healthy before I start the next.

MM I am disappointed but I can't imagine how it must feel to have had the BFP first. I am so sorry.

Talking of donor eggs/sperm. I think that so much of a child's character is learnt from their parents that I'm sure any child will be just like their mummy and daddy even if they are not biologically so. I think I would wonder whether or not I should tell them...

Penguindreams · 01/03/2010 10:33

Popped back to see how you were all doing and what a lot of sad news. Amberc, Cerubina, MM, I'm so sorry . Lots of being kind to yourselves is in order (and the wine and chocolate goes without saying).

What a sad turn of events from all the happiness a couple of weeks ago - this babymaking is hard.

Bumpless - no pressure but we need some good news from you now! So hope it's all going well.

KK ditto! Drink loads and loads of water, eat protein and your eggs can come on massively in a couple of days. Anything over 14mm has a good chance of a mature enough egg, don't forget.

Rosie, so hope there's a little heart beat flickering away at your scan!

Isle if you pop in, hope you avoided tsunamis and the like! We were in Chicago for the weekend for a friend's wedding and the news were all about impending tidal waves in Hawaii, which I hope was not the case! You can borrow my seabird wings if you like!

Does anyone on this thread know anything about immunological tests? I'm v keen on getting them done even if Guy's pooh pooh it (which they will) - feels like I'd actually be doing something. Probably stupid I know.

for all of us!

KiwiKat · 01/03/2010 12:47

Big hugs, Amber, Cerubina and MM, can't really think of anything to say other than .

1st of March, first day of Spring, let's hope that means a fantastic new start for us all.

Went for the scan today, and there were only 2 follicles of 18 mm, and a number of smaller ones, so they've kept me on the drugs (after me being positive that they wouldn't do that) and moved the EC from Weds to Friday, to give them all a chance to grow a bit more. Am also going to give reflexology a go - can any of you Londoners recommend anyone in Central or East London? Thanks for the tip, Penguin, I will be feasting on protein this week!

Sending chocolatey love to you all.

Cerubina · 01/03/2010 19:40

Hi all and thanks so much for your messages of support over the last few days. You ladies rock.

Amberc, I'm gutted for you that you weren't lucky this time round. Seems particularly cruel to start bleeding before you even got a chance to POAS. Have you spoken to the clinic yet, and when do you think you'll get your debriefing appointment with them? Hope there are positive messages from them for when you are ready to try again.

MM, how are you feeling now? It is so hard to have that return to earth after the excitement of a BFP, I think you are bound to have sad days and I hope you and your OH are taking care of each other. Fertility struggles really affect them too, don't they - you only see how much at times like this. Also hope the bleeding is not too unpleasant or painful. Again, have the doctors been in touch to let you know what to do? Do you plan to just let it take its course?

Rosie sending you very positive vibes for Wednesday. It is nerve-wracking to have a scan and you must feel jittery given how this thread has gone recently, but we are all rooting for you to be lucky and have a lovely strong heartbeat in there.

I'm sure Bumpless won't be reading this but just to send huge positive vibes to you too, for your donor's EC today and your ET on Thursday. Hope you are getting a lovely bit of Greek sunshine on your face to boost your energy and make you feel relaxed and positive. Let us know how it goes!

Kiwi that sounds like a sensible response from the doctors to me (not knowing anything about it of course!) Seems a good idea to let them carry on brewing for another couple of days, and I second Penguin's advice to get some protein on board, which I was told by a nutritionist is very important for growing good strong eggs. Afraid I don't know any reflexologists (very ticklish feet, it would be hell for me to have reflexology!) but I'm sure someone will have a good recommendation.

FairyGM I can imagine it's difficult for teachers to fiddle their hours to get around IVF scheduling. My job is pretty relaxed like that - I can arrive late or go off for an "external meeting" without it raising an eyebrow, but it probably helps that I have a reputation for being punctual and conscience-stricken if I am ever late, so the white lies seem to go unnoticed! Is it possible to construct a plausible excuse that might need you to be absent a few days/half days here and there - some minor drama in your family, a building project or something? I presume that it's out of the question to let your headteacher in on the story.

Well the weekend wasn't pretty but we kept our heads down and just tried to deal with the news that the pregnancy looks doomed. My poor darling husband has been a tower of strength but is so upset himself. Wish I could give him good news once in a while .

I had acupuncture on Saturday and my therapist said my pulses still indicated pregnancy, and told me not to give up hope. I can't see a way that there will be good news on Friday, but will not dwell on it too much until then. I have been bleeding off and on, but this is quite possibly just my cervix because she bumped it with the probe and it is on a hair trigger anyway. There's no pain at the moment.

I have to say, the doctor who did the scan was insensitive. She said "there's a yolk sac and a fetal pole, but there's been no development and there's no heartbeat" - just like that. Actually there had been a bit of development (from 1.8mm to 3mm) but certainly it's not the size it should have been. It took me saying that we had really struggled to conceive and this baby was very precious to us before she actually softened her approach and said she was sorry. The thing is, they may do this all day every day, but they have to understand that it's devastating to the people who hear it. Surely that is lesson one on day one of learning to use an ultrasound??

Thanks to Italian for mentioning St Mary's to me as a possible place to get referred. My acupuncturist also gave me the name of a miscarriage specialist (Dr Raj Rai) who works at St Mary's and sounds like the go-to guy. I have ordered a book on miscarriage from Amazon (bet that'll be a fun read) as I really want to try and get informed from here and see if we can take back some control. Dr Rai also works from Zita West's clinic, and I have a provisional appointment for us to see someone there next week and if she agrees she would refer us to him. We have "only" had 2 miscarriages (you will see I am assuming the worst for this one) so I know the NHS would not investigate, but given how difficult it has been for us to conceive at all I don't feel I can risk this happening a third time.

The first miscarriage last year was such a totally crushing blow, I have never been through anything like it. Because of the experience, with this one we never got as carried away fantasising about the future and imagining our little baby, which may have protected us a bit. Also the whole hospital episode two weeks ago meant the pregnancy felt precarious and fragile more or less from the start, so perhaps this one just wasn't meant to be (even though it was a miracle to conceive on the verge of starting IVF). But I do not want to let my second miscarriage destroy me like the first one did, I cannot lose another year to feeling miserable and powerless. Hence the decision to read up, see someone as soon as possible, and try to do anything we can to understand whether this is just bad luck or whether we can help ourselves if we are lucky enough to conceive again.

Can anyone here imagine what it is like just to conceive first time you decide you want to go for it, have a healthy baby and never know any of this? I am flabbergasted that it ever goes smoothly for anyone when you know how many ways there are for it to go wrong. It really does turn you inside out going through infertility, but I truly think we are stronger than any woman who has happily popped them out without a second thought.

Hope you are all well and as Kiwi said, here's to spring. Good f*cking riddance to winter eh.

Italiangreyhound · 01/03/2010 19:50

Hi all Amberc I am so sorry to hear your sad news

Penguindreams Good to hear from you. How exciting jetting off to Chicago for a wedding, we've got one in Bedfordshire I'm already excited about!

Kiwikat Sending up arrow prayers for lots of follicles, an abundance, I hope!

Amberc talking of donor eggs and sperm...I guess character can be learnt from parents but appearance etc would not be so and it may be that the child looks a lot like you or not like you, or me in this case! For me not telling any child did not seem like a good idea. Of course it is everyone's choice if they tell kids if they were conceived using donor eggs or sperm or donated embryos. The suggestion from those involved is strongly in favour of being honest with the kids from an early age. I personally made the choice a long time ago that if we went down this route any child would be told early on. I think they can digest things and accept things at an early age that at a later stage would be harder and perhaps feel really difficult to hear if they had actually grown right up before finding out. I am happy to talk about it with friends I know well and any interested parties and I felt it was better to be honest about it as it would be difficult if it came out later. But I know not everyone will agree.

Italiangreyhound · 01/03/2010 20:00

Cerubina sorry I cross posted with you. I am so glad you are sounding OK but just gutted for you about all this. Stay strong, I have not been through what you have been through and have no right to say it but please stay positive, grab back that control, in he long run I do think it is the way to go. And enjoy some .

Idreaminchocolate · 01/03/2010 21:45

Hi Ladies,
I've been mega busy this weekend with my mum's 60th, but I'm still around and after reading back on the thread I'll be back with you!
Got a big tray of lemon meringue cupcakes to keep you all going, though!!
xxxx

Amberc · 02/03/2010 09:12

Cerubina, I am one of those people who conceived first time round and had no problems throughout my pregnancy. I never took it for granted becuase at the same time my sister was going through nightmares trying to conceive. She has had 4 miscarriages, 1 at 20 weeks with twins which was awful. She is now pregnant - 25 weeks with one healthy baby and all (touch wood) looks good so good things do come to those who wait - I hope it wil happen for you. x

islegrin · 03/03/2010 00:02

I'm so sad to hear the news for Cerubina MM and AmberC. Have some lovely chocolate cake soaked in rummy goodness.

The tsunami was a little lackluster, but we did evacuate our house because we live in a low-lying area near the water's edge. Nothing happened, at all - but that's a blessing. I feel for those still trying to get in touch with relatives in Chile!

Went to the doc just now, and it was good news, I think we're going to keep trying. I will be around occasionally.

Best of luck to you who are in the throws of EC and needle sticking!!!

Love, Isle

Amberc · 03/03/2010 09:59

Where is it you live then Isle? How frightening!

RosieBeagle · 03/03/2010 12:30

Hello Ladies

Well I thought I would bring things round to a slightly more positive note on here. I had my 7 week scan and all is well, we heard the heartbeat and we have a photo to prove its actually there!
So good things can actually happen, For those who might not have been around when I was posting - I only had 2 fertilised eggs from EC of 4, so thought my chances were pretty slim but as some wise ladies on here pointed out to me it does only takes the one.
I hope to read some more positive stories from you all as I wont be going anywhere for a while.

Sending you all positive vibes and all the luck in the world Rosie x

Amberc · 03/03/2010 15:50

Congratulations Rosie! Nice to hear a positive story!

Cerubina · 03/03/2010 16:03

Congratulations Rosie! You must have been really nervous but I'm glad it was good news for you and hope the baby continues to thrive in there.

Horton · 03/03/2010 16:07

Fantastic news, Rosie!

riggly · 03/03/2010 17:22

Congratulations Rosie this is great news.

I've started on buselin injections at last and after the sad news on this thread over the last week I was beginning to feel really nervous but after Rosie's good news I'm feeling much more cheery. Hand round the biscuits in celebration!

MercenaryMom · 03/03/2010 17:49

Rosie that is fantastic news and I'm so happy for you! You must be so excited - and relieved!

And Riggly congrats that you've started at last - and don't let the recent bout of sad news get you down.

Idream I loved the lemon meringue cupcakes... thank you!

And Cerubina I know what you mean about wondering what life would be like to be able to conceive normally. Several of my friends took the approach of just chucking out the contraception to "see what happens" and ended up pregnant a month or two later. Sometimes I really envy them - it would be bliss not to have to monitor everything step by minute step...

I'm back to the clinic tomorrow for my follow-up scan although there is no doubt now that I've miscarried. I am dreading it nonetheless.

At least once we're through the scan we can decide what to do next.

Italiangreyhound · 03/03/2010 20:43

islegrin Very glad to hear the Tsunami missed you. Glad you are well and able to try again, we want a BFP for you, after all these attempts.

RosieBeagle Great, fab, so pleased for you

*Mercinarymom" Thinking of you, wishing you well and that once it is finally sorted you will know what to do next, it's a very hard time so have a biscuit and a hug

Idreaminchocolate Did you see One born every minute? Lovely people, sad stories, very moving, and dramatic. Stupid doctor thinking the baby might be called Elvis! Such a great episode, much nicer than the others!

riggly hope the buseralin goes well, look out for aching boobs - these really are boobs now - if you get any pains get them checked out like I did, it put my mind at rest BUT let?s hope this leads to lots of baby fun and it is only for a short while!

Horton Hi, what?s new?

Cerubina sending hugs to you too and all the others.

KiwiKat · 03/03/2010 23:40

Rosie, fab news!

KiwiKat · 04/03/2010 00:01

A(pologies to those who've read this on the Fab 40+ thread)

Just about to do the midnight Pregnyl shot - then it's all happening on Friday! I had to take my final Menopur shot this afternoon at 5 pm, so there I was, hiding in the loos at the office, shooting up. Surreal ... My scary female boss called me into her office on Monday, when I got back from my scan. She tried to get me to tell her what procedure I was having done, whether it was X, Y, or IVF, and told me that she had every right to know what was happening. I told her I'd bring her a docgtor's certificate, but didn't want to discuss it. So she's guessed, but I didn't confirm it. Does she have the right to demand that I tell her? She let it drop then, but fished a bit later, checking whether I'd be up to handling my work, if I needed any more time off. Faked concern, blatant fishing - don't need that right now. But I'm feeling positive about the whole thing, and Rosie's news, your advice and support on this thread is a big part of that positive feeling - thank you.

Italiangreyhound · 04/03/2010 02:51

Hi kiwikat I think I have asked you this before but are you actually in New Zealand or are you in the UK, or elsewhere? If you are in a union you may be able to find your answers from your union rep. I don?t know if your boss has the right to ask anything or not but I guess the HR department would know. My ?gut? feeling is that if she really had the right to ask outright she would not have ended up ?fishing? for info.

I think if you don?t need to tell her then don?t, just say it is ?personal? or something! Good luck.

I have not had treatment off as sick leave, just taken it as annual leave and luckily just booked it off and no questions but then I don?t have a very high-powered job!

Italiangreyhound · 04/03/2010 02:52

Interesting article at

What fab news for the family and hope for any about to undergo a FET.

Good luck to all

.....Although I am not sure they are strictly quads.....the Free Dictionary by Farlex says of Quadruplet ??one of four offspring born at one birth Often shortened to quad? and Macmillan dictionary says - ?a baby who is born at the same time as three other babies to the same mother?

Cerubina · 04/03/2010 08:48

Hi all

Kiwi I don't know to be honest, but I wonder whether you can buy yourself some time by telling her it is a gynae issue that you are having investigations for, perhaps say you've had problems with your periods or something (strictly true - your problem is that you keep getting them each month!) If she is like most people she'd probably not want to know the ins and outs, although certainly that would be more likely with a male boss who might be squeamish about women's bits. I think employment law would surely allow you some personal privacy about your health, although perhaps she is entitled to ask if you know how much time off you'll need so she can plan around it. Your boss definitely sounds like a tricky customer.

Good luck for tomorrow and the EC anyway - let's hope those follies have been maturing nicely over the last few days.

Riggly good luck with the injections and I hope all goes well over the next couple of weeks, no side effects etc.

MM let us know how it goes today with the re-scan. Hope it is not distressing and you will get a chance to discuss next steps with them. I'm being re-scanned tomorrow and since yesterday have been bleeding quite heavily, and am pretty sure my cervix is open so it is the miscarriage happening now. Obviously they will confirm if that's the case tomorrow.

Waves to all

Amberc · 04/03/2010 09:25

kiwi - your boss sounds like she is just being nosey. i'm sure there must be privacy laws but your best bet is to go onto the employment boards asd there are loads of HRs on there. Some of the people on my other thread have used this and found it really helpful.

Riggly - good luck with all the injections!!

MM and Cerubina - will be thinking about you today

Horton · 04/03/2010 09:44

Hi Italiangreyhound. Not much new around here. We have made an appointment to go and see a clinic to book IVF so need to get ourselves in gear and have all the blood tests etc done again. Gah. V dull.

Good luck with all those injections, Riggly. How are they going? It's the bit I am most nervous of.

Kiwi, no advice I'm afraid, just wanted to offer sympathy - that sounds very stressful at a time when you really don't need extra stress.

Love to MM and Cerubina.

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