The Hut of Gl/Doom... Please don't ask about our reproductive plans as a smack round the head with TCOYF often offends

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new thread.

for those who are having problems getting pg

or staying pg

or are simply fed up of being told to relax and having to smile and say "you never know"

Rainbow that makes sense. I'm glad you are having this testing and being attended to so closely.
Hope you get some answers soon.
This is the place to come for unloading.

ditto rowing boat - hope you get some answers soon - I think he's the guy to help.

rowing boat - have we met on the assisted conception thread?

Hi Mowmi,
yes I was on last year when I was going for IVF abroad. We did go, but it was a bfn, however, we have 4 frosties from that treatment, so I'm off over to get them next week.
We had a fresh cycle in the UK last Summer, but again, unsuccessful and a FET from that cycle in May of this year, which was unsuccessful.
I wasn't very impressed with the UK clinic though and I thought the embryos were transferred too soon for the FET, but they couldn't do it the next day because they were closed.
I remember you were with Geeta Nargund, but you ended up having a natural pg.
How did that all go?

Hi Rowingboat - Ah I remember now...sorry for not picking up on it sooner (am a bit obsessed with rainbow since we held cyber hands whilst waiting to see if our pregnancies were viable last year

Are you having them transfered next week or just collecting them?
That's rough rushing them back because they were closed next day - that must have been disappointing - I know create open every day of the year if needed.

Yes we were so lucky to get preganant naturally - first month of being able to try after DH's chemo! I never ever take it for granted - Harry is our little miracle!

The pregnancy wasn't plain sailing (will try and keep this brief...) told at 6 weeks there was nothing but an empty sac (again) and to get some painkillers in! eventually saw a hb at 7 weeks after going to EPU to have mc confirmed.
12 weeks nuchal scan gave us 1 in 2 chance of DS, had CVS and all the stress of that but were given the amazing news he was ok.
Then told the factors identified gave him chance of heart defects - given all clear of that at 20 weeks!
The remaining 21 weeks were fairly calm we had extra scans to check he was growing properly (another potential problem with my squiffy hormones) but he had the opposite! I was warned he was going to be a big bugger - 9lbs 7oz and out through the sun roof because his head was too big to come out the conventional way!
He is now 5.5 months and a little angel - we're so lucky to have him.

I really hope one of those frosties grows to be the baby you so deserve.

Rainbow how are you today?

x

Hi all,

Mowmi, congratulations on the birth of Harry. How lovely, you completely deserve to be happy with your little boy.
That pregnancy sounds very stressful, you didn't get much of a chance to relax until 20 weeks. He is a strapping boy isn't he! Are you and your DH quite tall?

Rainbow how are you. Not long to go until the tests, hope you can keep focussing on the outcome of those to give you the strength to move forward.

LOTGK haven't heard much from you recently. How are you?

Hairy are you out of the hut now, with renewed enthusiasm?

This time next week I will be on a plane, on my own. I am going back to have the embryos transferred, hope one of them makes it through the defrost otherwise it will become a short break instead.

I am down and out. Passing big clots, cramps. It is ending despite the progesterone. But I at least am under no illusion that I have got it wrong. I am hoping that despite already losing this one, that Dr Rai on Thursday will be able to advise me.

Mowmi - I am so pleased that you are having the fun of your little man with you, it helps knowing that some do make it.

Rowing - I hope your next embies do the job for you, defrost nicely for implantation and growth.

Lotgk - hope you are doing ok?

im so, so sorry my lovely. its so very cruel x

Rainbow I'm so sorry that is just so shit. I'm sure you'll get some answers soon - you are about to be placed in the best hands to help.
Did your GP refer you to Dr Regan's clinic?

Rowingboat - wishing you lots of luck for the transfer will keep popping back here to see how you go!

...I'm not tall 5ft 3 - husband is 6ft. He looked small to us but when I started to make my way around the ward and saw the other babies I realised what a chunk he was!

I wish you both lots of luck for the next chapter of your quests!

Take care x

Ohh rainbow I have been stalking you a little bit over the last few days. Fingers crossed that Dr Rai will be able to help you.

Lady - i just posted on your other thread. How are you doing today?

Rainbow, I hope you are OK and staying positive.
Not long to go until you see Dr. Rai.

just looking in to say hi, it's sm by the way but made a huge anonymity error so disguised myself as a vegetable instead

rainbow ((( )))) to you
lady where are you to be found these days? hope you are ok
rowing hope everything goes to plan

Hi all,
Rainbow it's tomorrow isn't it, the testing? I hope this gets to the bottom of the problem and they are very kind and nice to you whilst finding the cause.

LOTGK how are things? I saw your other thread, hope today is a good day for you.

Me - aaargh! Not good! Doing stupid OPKs to detect LH surge upon which hinges the whole blooming transfer, but wouldn't you know it, this month I can't get a positive, and it should have shown up yesterday. Just getting faint second lines, the strongest was Monday, but that wasn't very strong.
So now hoping and hoping that it comes today or tomorrow so we can go ahead, otherwise it's cancel flights time. I think I can move some of the flights to August, but we are supposed to be going away for a weekend with my brother at ovulation time next month.
Oh it's all very stressful.
[cold sweats]

Rowing - arrggg how frustrating regarding the opk's. I never got on with them, so can't imagine how hard it must be with so much hanging on them.

broccolitrees - don't know why but my mind just can't connect who you are!!!!! Blame it on the hormones!

My appointment tomorrow - I just hope hope hope that I get some help. Surely he won't say that 8 in a row = old eggs and rotten conceptions?

Rainbow, thank you!
Huge fingers crossed for tomorrow (not that I have huge fingers).
Did another test this evening and it was very faint.
Google says the LH surge can last from 10 - 24 hours, which doesn't help. I could have missed the surge whilst sleeping. [rolls eyes]
Can't decide whether to cancel the flights or not. I think if I have ovulation pains by tomorrow I will go for it, and if not, postpone until September.
That's it, at least most of the airlines allow you to change the dates - except Easyjet!!

Creeps in to hut... Can't quite handle things on my usual thread at the moment. Rowing I really so hope you get that other line in time, nightmare trying to juggle eggs and airplanes.

Hello to anyone I know from the ttc thread, somehow feels like the hut is more appropriate for me at the moment.

Results of my bloodtests were pretty hopeless, DP is studiously avoiding the subject of actually going to get his swimmers looked at and there's no referral till he does.

Just hoping acupuncture and herbal stuff does something. Feel like swearing a lot, (must be menopausal then).

Rainbow Glad you've got an appointment to see someone, don't think yr eggs can be knackered yet or you wouldn't get PG so fast - really hope they can get to the bottom of why this keeps happening - fingers crossed for you.

gonepearshaped I've followed you.

I didn't know about this thread. but my recent history is a mmc in Feb, followed by 2 chemical pregnancies/early miscarriages. Last one last month when I was nearly 6 weeks, this month no ov at all. and am now thinking of giving up all together as dh practically makes me beg to swi and I am finding the pressure of it all too much. I am 40 and time is running out. and my due date is coming up for my mmc.

Hi everyone,

GPS come and sit down here and have a nice gin and tonic!
I'm trying to think of a way you can get a sneaky sample from your DH without him noticing. You have to deliver it to the clinic quite quickly after so you might still be in your nightie.
You still have options sweetie. [big hug]

Rainbow good luck for today - let us know how it goes.

LOTGK how are you today?

Broccoli how is the vegetable disguise going?

Still no OV pains, but will wait a bit longer. Everything could still be normal, but I can't really afford to take the chance.

Thanks Rowing That's exactly what I needed - just thought if I could sneak a sample from dp when he wasn't looking then I could leg it into town thus nicely combining ttc with marathon training

Pollyanna you poor thing, sorry you're feeling so awful, come and sit with us, Rowing makes a mean G&T

Polly do you want a bit of lemon or would you prefer lime?
Can you remind me of your results GPS?
If it was FSH they need to take it another couple of times to check whether it remains the same. It can go up and down with stress levels.
If it was AMH then I don't know what it means. Quite a few of the women on my FF thread had low AMH and are now pg.

Well sorry to come to the thread happy but heres, g&T's all round and a couple of vodka's to those who prefer it. Also, my speciality, a huge chocolate cake!

Big hello to polly and gps, sorry to see you here but pull up a chair and have a couple of drinks with me.

Now sit tight I am going to tell you all about my appointment today.

Long trip to get there, but Dr Rai is fantastic. Treated me totally as an individual and not like "heres another over the hill recurrent miscarrier again". Nope he really listened and then explained what he thought might be the issues. He told me that asprin was a big no-no for me (phew glad about that). He said that it is not normal for a person to get pregnant in less than 3 months each and every time as I have in the last 2 years. He explained that this indicates that my "window" for implantation is too long. So instead of my body deselecting the genetically modified ones, it is letting all conceptions through which means that those that are not good are getting to the 5/6 week mark and failing. How he explained it and what he said made so much sence to me, and really helped. He ordered some extra blood tests, to rule out any other issues, but I have to take the progesterone from 3 days after ov, like I did this time, and just hope for a good genetic one. He was so good, excellent at explaining things and talking to me about it all.
He did discuss with me the pro's and con's of doing FSH / AMH testing, but pointed out that it makes no difference in terms of my specific treatment what the results show, and that even a "bad" number does not mean that a successful pregnancy can't happen. So the best thing in my case was to not bother with the test.
I have come away feeling like finally someone actually looked at me as an individual and is going to recommend any treatment specifically for me, not as a "let us try this". The best £500 I have ever spent in my thinking (cost less than this, but I am spending more on celebrating!!!! ). I will get the results and any other recommended treatment on the phone in 4 weeks time. Letters to my gp too.

Sorry I am enthusing wildly here, but things are just looking up for me for once.

So another round of drinks for all here, and I am ready to listen if you need to talk.

Hi all,
Plink, plink [drops ice into glasses] glug fizzzzz, [bit of tonic] [sits down].
Well Rainbow, that sounds like a very productive and helpful meeting.
So do the best embryos get to the womb quickly? Does the progesterone close down the window a bit to only allow the best embryos, is that the idea? [interested face]
That sounds great, that way you won't have to endure mc after mc, just a pg when the time is right.

Hmmm chocolate cake, cheers Rainbow great to hear your appointment was so worthwhile. So does that mean your body goes pg sort of when it shouldn't? Sounds like you are finally getting some answers - very happy for you cause you deserve some good news after everything you've been through.

Now, can I have some more cake?

Rowing I do agree about tests my results were FSH 49, oestrogen 44 (which is low apparently) and progesterone was very low and basically didn't change between day 5 and day 20. I've since worked out that actually tests were done on days 9 and 26 which is a bit rubbish.Am really hoping for something like a normal cycle this month.

Have you decided to change your flights? Must be such a nightmare trying to get the timing right and then organise everything around it - I couldn't even get to the doctors on the right days let alone half way across Europe. I know its a bugger having to rebook everything but maybe the extra time between now and Sept will be a good thing - it did sound like you were maybe feeeling a bit rushed about this one?

ummmm, the g&t is going down a treat, but think we need some savory nibbles to go with it.

What I got from yesterday is that for every cycle where a conception occurs, only 30% go onto a live birth. many simply don't implant, of those that do implant some are genetically not going to survive (like my trisomy 22), these are random and occur to everyone. Many of the genetic issue ones do not even implant, or do not implant properly and end at 4-5 weeks (chemical pregnancies).

The window for implantation can change, it can be very very short for some people and hence they have difficulties getting pregnant in the first place, but for women like me who are able to concieve in less than 3 months every time (since my last son!) this is an issue as it can allow the less robust and genetically weak conceptions to implant, when normally they would not have enough time. For me this strangely makes so much sence as my m/c's have all measured significantly behind in dates. That is just me putting 2 and 2 together and making 3 !

The doc said that the normal time for conception takes between 6 and 8 months each time. (And ironically each of my live births took 8 months to concieve!). So for me there is a definite change from a sensible length of time to concieve to being able to get pregnancy when having SWI only once in the month, every month! There is something definitely not normal with that.

I will wait with interest to hear what my blood tests say. If they say anything!

Rowing - did you make any decisions over flights?

GPS I am quite shocked that the FSH test was on day 9. It is always supposed to be on day 3.
It is horrible getting those tests done, your heart is in your mouth, and it doesn't really 'mean' anything to you anyway.
I don't know if you saw on the other thread that I had spotted a home sperm test. {Calculating face]
Oh and have some cake, it's carrot!
The flights are cool, the clinic will fit round them (nice man).
This is the easy, even fun, bit, but after... not so good/simple.
Rainbow, that does make sense, so glad you have something tangible. And of course there are still the tests to see what your thyroid is doing, or is that sorted?

Rainbow - it's so good to hear you so positive about your appointment. I'm so glad you're getting explanations and hopefully some definates very soon. As I said my friend is so thankful to him - she currently has baby no 2 in her belly which she conceived without any problems - she can't believe it!

Rowingboat - hope you got your OV pains and are on a plane out of here?

x