Assisted conception and the bits inbetween Part Two!.......

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Hi everyone.
New thread starts here....

Duplo - Love the idea of an advent calendar. Great news on your bloods. Fingers crossed for a nice thin lining at your scan tomorrow.
Lottie - I don't know what lining they would expect at the scan as that wasn't the purpose of it and I didn't ask, doh! at your clinic, how rude of them! Thank-you for cheering my embies on and thinking of me. The dinner was OK but went on very late and was too tired to post when I got home.
Heidi - Fantastic news on your heartbeat . Sorry I didn't mention it yesterday.
KC11 - I'm afraid I've no idea about cranberries. I did know about peas. Anyone know what the latest on peanuts is? Last time I was pg the jury was still out on whether you should/shouldn't eat them. Thank-you for the mantra, I'll have to practice it. It's so hard to remain completely positive though, isn't it? There's a little bit of you that just wants to be prepared just in case.
Ladylush - How are you doing? I read that the tampon thing is because you could be having a threatened mc and the cervix is very sensitive at that time so tampons (and sex) might bruise it. I can see the sex bit but surprised that a tampon could bruise - esp a widthways expanding one.
Flibberty - the thermometer is now put away. Thank-you for telling me about your low temps. I really had no idea that you could get low temps when pg, everything I found googling seems to say you have to have 18 days of sustained high temps and a low temp is a sign of impending mc.
Glasto - So sorry things didn't go well for you today. I'm afraid I don't know what PESA/TESA are, but are they the same as surgical sperm retrieval? If not, there are two women on my FF thread (both now pg with partner's sperm) who had that and one had a donor back-up just in case and dh had to go through surgery again at time of IVF, but the other had the sperm from the initial operation frozen and used that (and has some spare for the future too). Definitely worth asking if that can be done as it saves poor dh from having an op for every IVF attempt. The Donor Conception Network is really good for information on using donors - I'm going to join them once I have a confirmed pg as I think it will be good for the child to be around others in the same situation. Appreciate that my case is slightly different with no dp to consider though. You have to have counselling if you use a donor and that will help you to talk through any issues you both have. I only needed one session, but you can have as many as you want at a lot of clinics.

My temp was 36.54 this morning, which is great for me (anything above 36.40 is a normal LP temp) and another BFP so feeling much better. MY UOTD (unofficial OTD) is tomorrow as when they gave me my OTD and I said it was the day my colleague goes on maternity leave, they said I could test 2 days either side. Given the rollercoaster I've been on this week I'm going to test tomorrow and ring them. Then if I get a BFP tomorrow and the worst happens (and obviously really, really hoping it doesn't) they might take it more seriously in terms of extra support in future if I've had a positive that they recognise IYSWIM.
Thank-you for all your lovely supportive messages, they've really helped.

PS: Glasto - donor sperm waiting lists can be long , wouldn't hurt to get yourself on a waiting list and decide when you get to the top of it whether you want to use it or not.

I am feeling better thanks Lottie, but still terrified of not getting a BFP tomorrow. There is no presentation, my boss is away at a conference and she asked the girl whether she wanted a presentation and she said no, so she got given her present at the dinner last night. If I have bad news tomorrow that makes it worse though as instead of everyone in the office at once for a short time, there'll just people drifting in and out all day. I gave her my individual present today so if it is bad news tomorrow I'll probably just stay home, but hopefully it won't be.

I have really sore boobs too. Don't remember having that last time, but I'm waking up in the early hours needing the loo (and having to test so I have fmu) then not being able to get back to sleep because I usually sleep on my front but it's even uncomfortable to sleep on my side and if I accidently brush my arm over them it really hurts. I'm taking it as a good sign.

I know it's easier to say than do but I really think googling is bad - look what it did to me over those low temps. Your hubby is right, what will happen will happen and there's nothing we can do to change that. Try to stay focused in the present - enjoy each day that you are pregnant and try not to think about the next day. Now just need to learn to take my own advice.

LADIES* - sending you hooooge hugs for all the reasons you need xxxx
LL - Pg is a freaky thing. the one thing you cannot control and it takes all your strength to manage through that mentally in your head. I find it terribly difficult and hence why I have paid for additional private scans to get the reassurance I need.

here is my perspective -- I know it is tough to stay off google et al. But you can get into an obsessive loop of over analysis, I do, and it makes you worry excessively and cause all sorts of emotional peaks and troughs, that coupled with the hormones turns you (well defo turns me) into a loon. Symptoms come and go through out pregnancy, I wish someone had told me that during my first pg. One day you can feel great, the next day poop. The way pg is medicalised, you would think we are destined to be sick every day and if not, then there is something wrong!

This is one thing you cannot control. If this pg is meant to be, your embies will stick NO MATTER WHAT. I have one mantra in my life, I cannot control what I don't know or what the future holds. Deal with what each day holds and get through that as a milestone. Sorry for the pep talk . I have been dealing with this PG in positive milestones, putting together a list of non pg things to look forward to until the next pg milestone,e.g birthday's, going out etc. Plotting this out really helps me to move forward without turning into a loon. It has helped distract me (a bit!)

ISsy --- you and I sound like we fall into a similar group. I am a member of the DCN network as my DD and this PG are conceived by donor eggs (same donor). I have found it a godsend and they speak so much sense. Maybe I will see you at one of their group meetings one day. It is always nice to meet other people in a similar situation.

Glasto -- sorry to hear about your DH's tests. I have heard how painful they can be. The donor route is so tough to consider, especially when you want to ensure you have explored every avenue. I had no choice due to having Ovarian Cancer. It was the only option I had. But I have a couple who I am friendly with who have just decided to go down the donor egg route, she was given 10% success rate with her eggs, two failed IVF attempts. It was a tough decision for her to make, but she says now she has decided she feels a weight has been lifted and she is more positive about the next round of IVF.

Right sermon from the mount over. hugs to you all xxxxxxx

glasto sorry about sperm. the clinic I used have links with a clinic in Spain, so you do all the pre stuff here supported by them, but you go out to Spain for the egg collection and Embryo transfer. The donor laws are different there, so there is sperm to be had.

Fliberty some sage words

duplo don't be too hard on your body. Downregging is not a natural process, you can't blame it for bucking the trend, but I am glad you can start stimming.

Everyone else for so many reason big mugs of decaf tea all round.

I now have an official BFP .

Viability scan on 3rd June and by Monday I'll be passed the date of 1st mc.

Have a good day everyone.

Congrats Issy42 that's wonderful! I'm only 1 week post transfer and due to test on Monday. Am feeling v anxious now and dreading any disappointment. Have that 'period around the corner' feeling, but not sure if it's in my head or not...aaaaagggghhhh!!!

WOOOOHOOOOO ISSY 3rd June will soon be here. Just my bloomin' luck we will be in france, so I cannot check in. But my thoughts and hopes are with you for June. Get past Monday and you will begin to feel lighter. hugs to you xxxx

LL - no one has ever called me sane.. LOL... or in fact reasonable - now get off the internet and start baking or making something. trying to fend of t'internet addiction is like quitting smoking, you need something to do with your hands.

EmziB -- good luck with your test on monday.... sending you baby dust and PMA in abundance.

NV and today I look like an old sage, having been woken up by the bloody planes flying over head (am going to get an air to missile launcher) and the birds tweetering in their happy voices, at 4am! - think it is time to invest in some quadruple glazing. how are you?? where are you?

anyone heard from RB?

Right off to break up a fight between my two cats. When the weather is crap they pace the house like tigers and beat each other up or gang up on the poor dog. ThinkI need to throw them both outside.

beware people ---- 15wks today... that is all I have left... am beginning to cack my holey knickers and frantically trying to get my house in order, but can't lift anything heavy. My nesting is bordering on OCD and DH doesn't seem to understand my sense of urgency. He may well come home to everything in a skip one weekend.

right back to work and writing a boring presentation on a topic that offers no inspiration.

HUGS To You all xxxxxx

Hi issy42, i just saw your bfp message. wanted to say congratulations!!! it's brilliant news.

Flibberty - sorry you seem sane to me too. I should know - I'm a psychiatric nurse

LL and Issy - so glad all is going well still. Flibberty is right - if it's meant to be it will be. So hard to think that way when you're in the early stages but look at how your body has surprised you! Neither of you were optimistic at all and yet both have BPPs. It was thus with me. I was so unprepared, had been drinking over Christmas and New Year and it was my first cycle post ERPC - yet BFP first week January. Still got everything crossed for you and praying you get good news at your scans

issy that is exciting news. Have everything crossed for you.

EMZIB I remember that feeling well. Hang in there the mind can play tricks. next week will be here before you know it. Keep busy if you can.

Flibberty I am doing OK. Pretty much reconciled to the fact I am not meant to have more that 1 child - but at the same time we might try IVF again in the autumn. At the moment really enjoying my weekly acupuncture which is definitely having an effect on my cycle in a way that nothing I have taken before has, that being said I think I am still in the "getting worse before getting better" stage I think! As for where I am - not sure if you meant IVF wise or simply geography (in which case delete previous paragraph!) I am in Sunny Southampton.

Doh BFPs

Great news Issy, hope you're feeling a bit more relaxed about everything now.

I think you've reached the most difficult part of the 2ww EMZIB, but not much longer now and you'll be able to test. 1 week in is probably still too early to be feeling any symptoms so please don't worry! I didn't suspect anything with my last pg until 1 day before AF was due. I'll keep everything crossed for you.

I did my scan today and am happy to report that my lining is thin and I have been given the go ahead to start jabbing myself. Had a training session with the nurse and bloody hell this is complicated stuff isn't it? Quite surprised they trust me to do this without supervision, why does dp have to be abroad today of all days??

Have any of you been eating extra protein during stimms, have read that some people recommend it but my dr said just eat healthy balanced diet. I'm still planning to have protein with every meal though but no idea if it makes a difference.

Also, what about exercise? have been taking it really easy but now my back hurts, always happens when I'm not moving enough. So some gentle yoga during stimms should be fine no?

Hi everyone,
sorry, I've been in hiding - it's my way of coping with IVF. Just try not to think about it and act as normally as possible.
We had ten eggs fertilised in Hungary and had a day five transfer (3 embryos) and two were frozen. That was on the 4th of May and I was supposed to test on Monday, but I felt so un-pregnant that I tested yesterday, just so I could get the bad news over and go for a run or something. However, I got a positive 1-2 weeks on that freebie Clearblue test (thanks MN!).
Started having cramping and pinky red discharge yesterday, not enough for full AF, but just worrying. Lottie told me to go and lie-down, which is how I feel anyway.
I reckon there is little chance of all three embryos being viable, so wonder if the cramping would be worse if one or two had failed to implant? I hope on of the little fellers manages to stick in.
On other hand, I have a mountain of housework and no milk (it's in the shop), so hmmm...
Just wanted to let you all know I'm alright and will keep you up to date on our progress.

Hi all

Thanks for the words of experience. I'm managing to relax again now. Am due my period any time now, so thinking the longer it stays away the better the signs, surely!

Rowingboat - that's fantastic news. Congrats...and yes, take it easy as Lottie says.

Re lining. A few days before egg collection my lining was 13mm. Is that good?

Thank you EMZIB, I think 13mm is good yes.
Between 8 and 15 is what they want to see as far as I know.

Hi all

Just popped on to WOOOOOOOHOOOOOO and congratulate londonlottie on your BFP.

So happy for you and I got several emails from old pals off MN to tell me about your good news. So you have plenty of stalkers!

Sorry my message is a little late. Good luck at your first scan and wishing you a very healthy pregnancy.

Lots of Love Rah xxxx

Hope everyone else is doing well on this thread. Many congratulations to those with BFP's and good luck to all those going through treatment at the moment. Praying for BFP's for you all!!!! XXXX

RB - Congratulations!! - very happy for you - take it easy...lots of my friends had spotting etc and went on to have healthy pregnancies.