2ww and the bit in between. BFP's we're waiting!

[Bucky2008]

Maybe a nice shiny new thread will get us all enthusiastic again. I am on my rubbish diet so I only have nuts and beans to put out on the table. Oh and gin of course ;o) Anyone got any cakes to tempt me with?

Ding ding....let's...go

Do you think I have gone a bit mad

Awww Abby I don't have any information on Ibuprofen in pregnancy but I've got everything crossed for you. Like GG says, the Dr's have to cover themselves - I can also ask my SIL (she's a Doc) for some advice if you want?

GG I actually (oh the shame) have cousins who are named after the hotels they were concieved in . Thankfully it wasn't a Travelodge!!!! When my mum told me about it she helpfully added that it was darn lucky she wasn't as inclined to follow suit as I'd have ended up being called 'Eurohike' (my parents were more a camping holiday type couple )

Thank you for organising the meet up Bucky - am blind as a bat so carnations may not be such a bad idea to save me from the embarressment of sitting down at completely the wrong table

JB I have started temping again (well remembered!) but my temps are all over the place. Am a little worried that my cycle has 'done an Abby' and already ov'ed by cd10 and I've completely missed the boat. Ah well!

MOB I reckon a little bit of egg pickling probably helps the process - hope you had a lovely weekend?!

PMSL @ Hatty with your glass of water and weary stature - as long as they don't ask you outright (and thus put you in an awkward position) you should be ok keeping up the pretence!

Hi to Tink - all sounding very good for you!

Hello to anyone I've missed!!

abbymeg I do hope everything's ok. There are so many positive stories out there of babies surviving D&C's, hard drug binges, alcoholic binges, loss of a twin...I even remember reading on an MN thread about a woman who was told she had an ectopic pregnancy they actually operated on her and removed 'something' and still the little bean clung on in the womb and is now a strapping 14 year old boy. I think if this baby wants to be born then it will be.

bucky two things. first of all, I'm sure I read on FF that BD'ing two days before OV is the OPTIMUM day for success. On the flipside of that coin, FF thought I'd ov'ed two days after I actually ov'ed (actual date confirmed by digi-bean's dating scan). So you may well have ov'ed a day or two earlier than it thinks.

I am very much looking forward to seeing you all on Sunday. I've not had much time to keep up with MN so there's lots to catch up on.

picknmix - say hi to your cousins Hilton and Ritz from me!

Do you know, I have no idea where I was conceived . Must ask my Mum

Thank you everyone. If GG and Picknmix could ask - if its not any trouble - then I'd appreciate it, although I know that only time will tell. Plus, I don't know what the general anesthetic was that they used.

I have done some reading, as has DH, and it does appear that ibruprofen causes 80% risk of MC as it prevents implantation - it appears that this is in the first month, so I'm hoping I've avoided this.

I think I will post on health - didn't realise there were doctors on MN.

Thanks again everyone.

(*huge clouds of highly fertile babydust**)

GG holiday in South of France with big fancy sunglasses sounds fab
hatty PMSL at your dinner conversation
MOB this thread has scientifically proven that pickled eggs = BFP
Bucky sounds like you have timed BD perfecty missus
abbymeg I would have thought the ibuprofen would have taken effect by now if they were going to cause a problem. Maybe it was too early in PG to have an adverse reaction. I really hope so {{{hugs}}} xx
Symptoms here are massive tender boobies (DP is delighted !)

hi ladies
just a quick one to abby to say about the ibuprofen during pregnancy question i have a british national formulary which lists all the medications and theier side effects and contra-indications and here is what it says:-
" most manufacturers advise to avoid (unless potential benefit outweighs the risk) with regular use closure of fetal ductus arteriosus in utero and possibly persistant pulmonary hypertension of the newborn, delayed onset and increased duration of labour" this is all talking about if you were to take the ibuprofen all the way through the pregnancy not if you only had it as part of your post op pain relief. try not to worry. as long as you avoid ibuprofen from now on you should be fine your GP is probably tryiong to prepare you for the worst case scenario just in case. but a MC can and does happen to anyone so just because you have taken a medication with cautions for pregnancy it doesnt mean you have caused any damage to you baby! it just a risk as you have with most things. {{{{{hugs}}}}}}
il catch up properly with everyone tomorrow as im shattered and want to relax xx
xx ei xx

Abby I think Ei is right, surely you would have seen the consequence of the Ibuprofen by now if it had had some effect. I hope you are ok and feeling a little teensy bit more optimistic this evening.

GG Jealous of your South of France trip. I can't imagine going on holiday for ages with the pups .

Hatty you could pretend that the water is gin. I always do it the other way round (i.e. pretend the gin is water) but I'm sure it would work for you And that was a joke people, I am not THAT much of a lush! Close, but no banana.

Me well I have post or pre ov (.)(.)s, tender but no exactly the 'don't brush past me and gently knock my chest because I will die of pain' type of (.)(.)s you get when you are pg!

Anyway, going to make a cup of decaf now....

Thanks for finding that out EI. I totally agree with what you say about chances of MC anyway.

The doctor's approach was possibly designed to try and outline the risks - not to get my hopes up - but she was a bit OTT and managed to make me feel like there was no hope at all! It's the first time my doctor has been told I'm pregnant - she didn't test me to confirm, or work out my dates, or give me any advice about folic acid - she just treated me like a MC waiting to happen. It was pretty unnerving and left me really upset. She didn't give me any statistics, she told me that general anesthetic was dangerous in early pregnancy and that ibruprofen had significantly increased my risk of miscarriage. (Another jewel was that a lot of pregnancies aren't viable anyway. She must really reassure all the other newly pg mums).

It seems to be that ibruprofen causes miscarriage early (prevents implantation) - so surely she could have attempted to explain this and maybe reassure me. Instead, she made me even more anxious.

One really annoying thing, in hindsight, is that this GP knows I've had a tough time ttc and had to go to gyne.

abby i would go back to your GP or possibly one who is more sympathetic and demand the advice you are entitled to!! what a poor package of care she has offered to you!! regardless of the fact that she may be expecting the worst she should also prepare you for the best outcome aswell-which includes working your dates out, prescribing preggy vitamins and generally being supportive of the fact that you have had a tough time of it and you may need that little more of a hand to hold!! is there another GP you can go and see?? she is basically adding to any stresses you will already naturally have and those extra stresses will not help you or your baby!! if you have to go back to her i would make it clear to her that you are aware of all of the risk factors that are involved but that she should treat you like any other pregnant lady and concentrate on what is going on now rather than what could potentially happen in the future.
bloody GPs can be useless at times!!
(sorry it is one of my bugbears for peple to be dismissed by health professionals!! (i have been a few times) and i think you should get the same treatment as any normal healthy preggy woman- if not more so with early scan bloods etc to ensure anything wrong is picked up early)
xx ei xx

morning ladies
cd32 for me temp drop
to ovulate or not to ovulatethat is the question?

Oh abbey how awful for you, I hope you're coping ok.
For info I found this link bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7431/108-a
which basically implies that the data used as evidence is very scant and riddled with holes because it appears the women in the study were already a higher risk for miscarriage. I think it might be the case that this evidence gets continually re-quoted and also pharma companies contraindicate almost all drugs because it's unethical to test on pregnant women so they have very little data to base evidence on so just take the cautious approach.

I'm sending huge positive vibes for you.

(Note: NSAID in this paper is a generic word encompassing painkiller drugs like ibuprofen and aspirin)

Abby I checked with my SIL for you and she has basically agreed with what both Ei and Outften have said - she even recommended I link to the British Med Journal but Ouften beat me to it ().

I really agree with Ei that you should try and get another appt with someone different - I appreciate that all Drs have to cover their backs but there are means and ways of going about things. My SIL said the same as EI that a Dr should put across all sides of the story and should be there to support not scare monger. She also said that it can be, as you said, to do with implantation so if you're already showing positive on a test then you've already got over the first hurdle, and as the bmj report states, it can be a really hard situation to judge as you can't actually, ethically, test for consequences.

Sending you huge big hugs xx

Morning all,

abby They don't actually do proper double blind clinical trials on the effect of drugs on pregnant women because it is completely unethical! The advice from ei, P&M and ouften is excellent and I hope it has put your mind at rest a bit.

LOL at Ritz and Hilton! Do your cousins know they are named after where they were conceived P&M? At least if you have already ov you are on the 2ww!

bucky my boob pain started off just like pre-AF pain. It just got worse!

ei Lovely to see you. Sorry you are so busy! Hopefully you will be one of those 'I was just so busy I forgot about TTC and got a BFP' .

GG I think you have to get some expensive sunnies!

Hello to everyone else!!

abby - I checked with my GP sister and she reitterated Ei, picknmix and oufton's advice. She advises her preganant patients to avoid ibruprofen because she wouldn't be doing her job unless she pointed out the risks these studies have raised, but that they are flawed. Really hope you are ok this morning. Sending you big > and a to say we are all thinking of you.

can't post for long so big hello to everyone else

Symptoms for me on CD23 - very sore (.)(.), but I get them every month before AF. I am cheered up by the fact that most people say that their AF symptoms are the same as PG ones. Hell, I can dream.....

Thank you all so much. EI I'm quite cross with myself for not challenging her yesterday about my lack of care. I got quite emotional (surely hormones are a good sign?! ). I'm not that impressed with the GPs at my practice full stop, and am contemplating going elsewhere. I think I'm going to avoid going to GP again, given that I know enough about what I should and shouldn't be doing in early pregnancy already (thankfully), and wait to see the midwife next week. She'd better be good, otherwise I'm definitely off to another surgery! Bedside manner has certainly died a death with many GPs, sadly. I always feel like a timewaster and 9 times out of 10 my experiences (across 3 surgeries) are negative.

Thank you to Ouften, Picknmix, Jollybear and GG too.

I'm just pleased that I'm signed off work at the moment because of my operation. I'm healing well, but painfully since I'm not going near anymore painkillers!

Am scared I have killed the thread

Hey where is everyone? .

abby I am not going to begin to rant, but everyone else has clearly outlined how dreadful your GP is, especially Ei

Nothing exciting happening here. Sore (.)(.)s a bit more sore today, but that's it. FF still says ov date the same.

Hope everyone is having a good night, just thought I would check in.

Abby you have not killed the thread. I saw your other thread. It looks to me like you took the ibuprofen around implantation, in which case if it was going to have an impact I would not have expected you to get a BFP (because I had thought it would stop implantation). I am not an expert, but aspirin has a similar effect and I took loads when I got pregnant with my daughter (as I thought the implantation pains were AF. Doh!) I went to see the GP at about 7 weeks to book and he told me that if I was going to miscarry because of the aspirin I would already know about it. So please don't stress... I bet you have done no harm. Re the GA, while it isn't ideal to have a GA surely this would also have taken place pre-implantation? If not, lots of women have generals while pregnant - sometimes there is no choice - and their babies are ok.

Jollybear did I see you write on Abby's other thread that Twinklingfairy's molar pregnancy turned out to be a viable pregnancy? I hope I've got the right end of the stick. I have to say I have had nightmares that maybe my bean wasn't ectopic and they have terminated a viable pregnancy, but I would love to hear about a happy ending for someone!

Will post more later. Am planning to come to the meet-up but DD is not all that well so I might need to be at home. Definitely think we should all wear carnations. Or maybe headscarves and sunglasses!!

Hi Bucky keeping my fingers crossed for you. I remember doctor rants we shared from months ago. It seems they haven't got much better!

Scary thanks for the reassurance. I'm taking it day by day, and with each day that passes I feel a little better. As far as GA is concerned, my friend's sister is a midwife and said not to worry at all as it's probably too early to have had an effect. Hopefully this is the case, but time will tell.

Scary yes just to let you know Fairy's PG was viable in the end and she'd had a D&C ! They called her back unexpectedly as her hCG levels had risen - they did a scan and wee beany with a heartbeat was in there !!

Bloody brilliant

sorry Bucky - have been stuffed all day. Juat leaving now

mibbes - I had no idea about twinklingfairy's experience . I am so that I wasn't reading other threads and was completely in the dark about another 2WW-er. It is wonderful about the bean !!

abby - how are you doing today, m'dear? Hope all the post operative pain is going. You didn't kill the thread, don't be daft ! GP sis called me again and says to tell you not to worry too much.

OOOh, excited about this weekend. Scary - hope your DD feels better soon.

Speak soon everyone and here is to lots more BFP's soon,

GG

morning ladies
cd33 for me same temp as yest
sure i ovulated getting lower twinges today

Wow what fantastic news for twinklingfairy, that must have been a complete shock for her! How fab.

Well there's not a lot happening on here today is there, morning to one and all, hope you're feeling a bit more chipper today abbey after the deluge of info from us all!

Good luck with the ov crossing