TTC May/June - may the eggs be ever in your favour

[CycloGoose]

A continuation from previous threads. All welcome! We've had some lovely graduates and there's some of us been here for a while. Join us for rants, ovary pep talks, motivational memes, poas addictions, freak outs, chill months and good old compassion.

May the eggs be ever in your favour!

@kaylsd
@minthumbugs
@iloveoreos
@Kitty0389
@els10

And many more - I'll post link in the old chat!

Honestly @kaylsd I reckon I could write a PhD thesis in fertility with all the information I've taken on board over the past few months! I did all the research before I even tried getting hubby on board so I pretty much knew everything they were going to say at the webinar. The only cheaper options would be abroad - there's a resurgence in people going to Prague for treatment. That's the only other option I would consider.... Mostly because I'm in love with Prague 😂
But I'm going to hang on in for a bit longer before going for it on the offchance that a) we get up the duff or b) dhea will improve my amh and improve chances of being accepted on to the ABC ivf program. It's nurse led which is why it is cheaper but also means they won't take more complicated cases.
Do you like Wicked? All the talk of medicine to conceive makes me think of the beginning. But the songs of our ovaries I'm gonna be singing 'Dancing Through Life' it's one of my all time mood busting songs!
So funny with your opk stash!
Probably best for you if you don't worry too much about the ifs and whens if you've got the pcos I reckon your new approach is the best!

@minthumbugs how are you feeling?

I forgot to tell you that we went to the pub last night - sat inside... Amazing - when we were there, a guy we know well from just out and about (we go to an old man pub with proper locals) came over to chat and within 5 minutes he said that he'd had the most vivid dream I was pregnant and that he didn't even realise it was a dream - he was chatting to his friend as if he'd actually seen me and I was pregnant.
He had the dream 3 months ago and still so vivid to him that it was practically first thing out of his mouth. I was absolutely dumbfounded. But 3 months ago, I technically WAS pregnant. I think he can have some more dreams please!
I'm taking my low temps as a good sign that that lots of estrogen being produced and I'm getting ready to lay some little eggs!

Also, I had cake for lunch and crisps for dinner. This has to improve. No point spaffing nearly £3k on IVF if I'm going to do that to my blood sugar levels 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣🧐

I love you all so much xxx

Sorry @MammaJ21 we cross posted and then my phone had a hissy fit.
I reckon your dark line probably was it. If I could go back in time and not be stressed with OPKs and bbts id totally do it. Though it does bring its own challenges. Imagine how confused I'd be in 2 days time with no period and no positive test for goodness knows how long. So it's good to know I've not ovulated yet. Saves that drama.
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@CycloGoose oh that's a low low temp!! Any other signs? Laying eggs, I LOVE that 🤣 that dream is absolutely crazy. Both my sister and my sister in law both had really vivid dreams before we told them both. More of those dreams needed! If you were to go to Prague would it be staying the duration of the treatment or going back and forward? I would love to go to Prague, it looks so beautiful it's definitely on my list. I don't even want to write what I've eaten today on here but I have been extremely naughty 🙈 tbh I feel horrible for it. Normally just allow myself to eat whatever and however much I want on a Sunday but I think tomorrow I will just sip water instead 🤣

@kaylsd defo going to be tough. I don't even know what outcome I would prefer, I know it's very likely they say we don't know why it happened! Don't know whether I would take it better if it was that rather than a problem, but at least if something is wrong there is something that can hopefully fix it. It sounds as if it will be results then if it's a consultant, I'm glad! Yep think they tests are arseholes 😂 I really didn't know if I could see a wee shadow but I've done some googling and I think if there was anything then it was probably an indent.
Every cloud has a silver lining, at least there can be more spontaneity in your relationship! It can become a bit pressured sometimes which doesn't help with the whole intimacy side of things. X

@MammaJ21 it stresses me out a bit too. I've done it a little bit in the past and tried it out for one cycle but I just find it disrupts my sleep and it's the first thing I think about in the morning which sets me up for a bad day! I mean I will admit to TTC taking up every other thought, but I at least like to wait until I've opened my eyes 🤣🤦‍♀️

Hope you're all having a good weekend 😘 xxx

Can you give us some pointers what you have learnt so far 🤣 sounds like you may become the woman of wisdom when it comes to it with your extensive research shall we say! What's the rough timeframe from starting ivf to transfer on average is it around a couple of month with meds injections scans ect? I was teaching someone's daughter yesterday how to inject and she said it reminds me of the time she saw her sister injecting herself for ivf, I was like 🥺🥺 I absolutely love Prague it was freezing cold!!! We went in March and I think it was like minus 13 🤣🤣🤣 the ice bar we walked into was actually warmer inside than it was outside, it’s cute though when your outside restaurants with blankets and heaters thou 🥰 how long is it recommended to wait with the dhea to repeat AMH? Fingers and toes crossed that’s the way forward for you darling 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 I can’t believe your friend with that prediction can we tell him to have some dreams on behalf of us all? My Aunty still swears there’s a little girl coming into the family as she’s seen it, I’m still telling her can you tell me time frame pls 🤣🙈 as I’m inpatient! I’ve not actually seen wicked always wanted to go watch it at the west end but never materialised :(! I may have to look into watching it some other way if it’s a good watch! I’ve been watching that the innocent on itv catch up partial to a good crime drama 🤓 have one last big blow out this weekend like me and hub are doing then let the best baby to be bod materialise 💁🏼‍♀️🙈

@mammaj21 I have on average between a 12-14 day LP phase so I think it was around 12/14 days after my positive OPK :) you never know hunny the dark one you saw may have been your peak and you might just be in your TWW without realising fingers and toes crossed!

@minthumbugs whatever the outcome may be we will be here hunny, and if it’s something which is explainable then hopefully it’s something what can be sorted too 🤞🏻I hope your having a nice lazy Sunday sipping water or sipping wine whichever your preference takes you today, we are aloud q treat and a unwind now and again, life will be too boring if we just ate salads all the time!

Just got home from work for a lunch break, got minimal motivation today so just had a large coffee and a cuddle off our mabes, I’ve attached photos for fancy, she’s overdue a cut she actually looks like a lion cub but her groomers is on holiday so she’s not booked in for another 2 week :’) she's just had abit of a MN photo shoot for you ladies 😘🙈🤣💁🏼‍♀️

Oops it cut the tag from @CycloGoose first bits for you my sweet!

What a gorgeous fluff ball @kaylsd ❤️

@kaylsd I feel like I know wee Mable personally now! 😍 How gorgeous. May have had a little treat for dinner today 😏 Monday tomorrow 🥗🍉🍌🍏

AF still hasn't arrived for me. My cycle was returning to a kind of normal, maybe not now 😩

Hey @minthumbugs I don't think we really would go to Prague as you'd probably have to be there for quite a while and actually, the price of ABC is so good I don't think it would be worth it. So they're our first port of call - if I don't pass the initial assessment with them then I think we will just wait for NHS and then maybe consider abroad if the NHS round fails.
How confusing the AF hasn't arrive yet. Did you do any more POAS after yesterday's disappointment?
I'm not sure what to say about your MC results but I just want you to know I am here for you and I hope that they give you peace of mind either way.
Definitely go to Prague though it's stunning. I'm veggie now though and not sure how amazing the food would be for us haha. We had some good times though. We also stopped there for a night on the way back from a super-cheap skiing holiday!
What sort of pointers do you want @kaylsd? haha I haven't specifically been researching down the PCOS or sperm route, mind so not sure how helpful I can be! Definitely lifestyle choices for hubs and get him on some good quality supplements if you can - 3 months and you can change your whole sperm makeup quite a lot. You both have age on your side, which is really good. These are the recommended ones: itstartswiththeegg.com/male-supplements/ but essentially, coq10 (preferably ubiquinol but they sell it 3 for 2 at tesco at the minute and better than nothing), multivit and folic acid should be a real help.
You said you don't have an insulin sensitivity issue so I'm not sure how much myo-inositol will help but worth a try if you want to - I think you are already taking the conceive plus anyway. I reckon that the main thing for you is just to get you ovulating, so hopefully you'll get your referral through soon and then they'll start you on Clomid but you know all that!
If, because of hubs, IVF is the only way, you can go on here to check your CCG and check what the requirements in your area are (there's an excel download) most are 2 years but there are some with exceptions for age or known causes. fertilitynetworkuk.org/trying-to-conceive/nhs-funding/england/ Even up to this point, different people have been offered different things. One was offered stimulated IUI but with that, she was told she then couldn't have IVF as well so she waited.
At private, it's different again because they can do different things. If you have no medical history which would prevent it, you can become an egg donor and donate some of your eggs when you go through your IVF - it's usually £500 and you keep half your eggs. You have to be in good health for this - I can't do it because of asthma for example and go through lots of counselling etc before you do it but there is money off icsi etc as well when you do it this way.
There are lots of new IVF ideas, which is why ABC can offer it cheaper - in terms of for me, I think I could have the consultation and then start at the beginning of the next cycle. We just tried to book in but we couldn't get a date to work with our school commitments. That's because the one I am looking into is more like a 'mild' ivf so they give you drugs alongside your normal cycle - only more like 2 weeks of stims. Traditional IVF they may make you go on the pill first to stop any cycles, then begin stimulation over a longer period of time - maybe more like 6 weeks before egg collection. So it's a longer, more invasive process.
The dhea they reckon 3 months before you have your ivf cycle.
I can't cope with adverts! I never watch anything on ITV!
Hope your work day was good? I love Mabes. She's a proper treasure!
Wonder how Ares is, too! Has anyone heard from @KatieLooLa in a while?
I need to cook. I can't be bothered. Am I ready for tomorrow? Am I balls. Have I wasted hours thinking about the fact I should be working? Absolutely! OOOOPS!

@CycloGoose jeez that is a lot of info about IVF! Suppose it's one of those things if you find yourself having to know you learn pretty quickly so it's good to be clued up. It's good to know all your options - NHS is ideal but from what I've heard it's all ticking boxes and waiting which is not great for something like TTC. I've ran out of tests, yesterday was my last one 🙈 have added a pic of yesterday's. Thank you, I know I have everyone here after we get results! ❤️ I don't think my irl friends really want to hear about any of that stuff, it's a bit of a downer. I'm so glad to have you all! 🥰

I don't think I've seen katieloola post in a while, I was wondering how she was. Have you heard from lucea? I don't want to tag her but hope she is doing well 😘 sundays are just the worst sometimes. My advice would be - get a takeaway and don't think about tomorrow until the alarm goes off 🤣

Would help if I had added the pic 🤣

I've got line eyes on that one as well @minthumbugs maybe if no AF still tomorrow, take another test?

Sorry - Kayls asked hahaha!

Though I just looked and so good I am registered with GP in the next CCG (hubs is as well) because we'd be waiting 3 years if we were with our most local GP! Only 2 years where I am registered. Lucky.

Anyway, may still happen for us - who knows!

I'm going to cook quinoa and prawns to make up for cake and crisps yesterday.

Lucea has had her 12 week scan and has told the world which is exciting :)

@cyclogoose Wowwwww that's a lot of info!! I've just checked the CCG and I'm gutted when I've read into it that it's just one cycle where I live however my postcode is 2 mile difference from the next CCG which is 3 fully funded I never realised how much of a post code lottery it really is!! It makes me a little bit apprehensive now to think we've only got one shot of it on the NHS then might have to look into private but I guess it's only the similar situation for many out there who's in the 1 cycle area, trying not to think too much into it now and fearing the worst but I never actually realised how much it depended on! Me and hub have savings and we would use them if it came to it in fairness I guess it’s something you don’t really consider until you start TTC :’) the mild I’vf sounds good for you darling am I right in saying they can make sure your eggs you do ovulate are focus on quality than quantity of eggs to release with the stims? I’m just sat here eating a choc ice Googling male vitamins for hub he’s started on the wellman men ones but he says they taste like gravy, I used to say this about the pregncare which is same brand 🤣🤣 work has been okay this weekend tomorrow looks bad for me but I’m gonna push to get the ball moving for leaving, been speaking to one of the girls who is also wanting to leave, it’s abit of a crazy place to be in right now! Thank you for all that insight sweetheart it’s really opened my eyes to it all! I hope you can get a date which matches up soon to get the process flowing for you 🤞🏻

God really @CycloGoose? I thought I saw something on Friday but all I see is blank white on that one. Don't make me get it out the bin 🤣 if nothing tomorrow maybe I'll be on Amazon prime! THREE years omg!!! That's ridiculous. I'm really hopeful it happens for you prior to any extra interventions. Anything it takes to get your baba, but the quicker the better. That's great news about lucea! I'm so excited for her 😁 that is a very healthy choice, great willpower on a Sunday night 💪🏻

Had my first positive OPK at midday today. So hoping to DTD today and tomorrow. My period has been weird since coming off BC so just wanted to know for sure I'm ovulating.

[quote minthumbugs]@kaylsd I feel like I know wee Mable personally now! 😍 How gorgeous. May have had a little treat for dinner today 😏 Monday tomorrow 🥗🍉🍌🍏

AF still hasn't arrived for me. My cycle was returning to a kind of normal, maybe not now 😩[/quote]
This has been such a bad week for my diet I've ate out for tea I've had snacky snacks pats little rolley belly 🥺🤓 yesterday we had curry but I say we had curry we had curry naans onion baijis Samoa's and tikka bites, today I've had a bacon sandwich chocolate pastry and a yoghurt for lunch / breakfast, beef roast dinner with all the good stuff and a Asda's version of a magnum for a little sweet treat..

Diet starts again tomorrow 👀🤣🤣🤣 I'm gonna cringe but this message response deserves me to end it in yolo
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Yolo
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@Tangfastic91

What a gorgeous fluff ball *@kaylsd* ❤️

Thank you sweetheart! She has such a warm temperament and so good around other animals and little ones

She's a little rascal sometimes like when she hides her ball in my dr martens instead of getting it out the way she placed it in, she chew through my laces to get it out that way 🙃🙃🙃

@CycloGoose @minthumbugs @kaylsd
and anyone I’ve missed...

I’m alive and well! Unfortunately been ridiculously busy with work as everything is changing about so haven’t had a chance to chat with you all. Hopefully things will calm down soon!
Just waiting for 2nd vaccination (July) before I can get back to TTCing.
Ares doing well, malting like crazy! I’m sure my diet is 10% husky fur!
In the meantime will leave a pic of the furry beast.
Hopefully chat soon! X

Hi @BethTTC good luck 🤗 get at it and let the wait begin!

@kaylsd ahahahahhaha... So true, YOLO 😎 enjoy the treats!

Hey @KatieLooLa and ares! Good to hear from you. Sorry things have been so busy. And I get that with the dog hair, I find lab hairs in places they should not be 🤣 the culprit! Hope to see you back soon. Xx

Ohhh stop it (don't stop) these pooches are totally adorable! @minthumbugs what's your babe called? Don't get it out the bin. I don't want to get your hopes up at all. It could easily just me seeing what I want to see. But it ain't over until AF comes in full force. I'm crossing fingers we see a proper double line there soon.

I'm just going to be as pragmatic as possible. We're lucky that we can pay for treatment and that science has got this far. I'm happy to have a Petri dish baby or a bedtime bonk baby 🤣

She's so gorgeous @katieloola thanks so much for sharing and take care. Glad you're well. Good luck for vaccine 2. I'm not letting it stop me from TTC though it's stopping me 🤣 delayed my ovulation nearly 2 weeks!

@kaylsd is your GP in the one cycle CCG? I think it's based on your GP rather than where you actually live. I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to stress you out my love! It may not come to that anyway. You only need one egg and one sperm! It can happen. I'm in a one cycle place but it's one fresh, one frozen I think so that's almost like 2 cycles.
On this ABC one, I get one fresh. If I have any extras then I have to pay a grand for freezing and I think another grand and a half for a transfer. It's mental amounts of money, I swear. I'm so sorry I stressed you out. You've got to take one step at a time my lovely.

Also they can't ensure the eggs are better quality but that's the hope!

Hope you get to move jobs soon my lovely!

Dinner was yummy! Had a hot chocolate with marshmsllows afterwards. Yummy! How am I going to avoid staff room delicacies this week though? Such a sugar fiend and the treats are home baked by the kitchen staff and so delicious!

I did put chilli in the dinner. Mental note to wash hands lots and lots. We want it hot in the bedroom but not that kinda HOT!

Good luck @BethTTC how long have you been off BC?

@cyclogoose don’t you be worrying missus you’ve got nothing to apologise I just didn’t realise how much the postcode lottery came into affect 🤣 on the section it just says 1 cycle fresh all frozen, I don’t know if that means they’ll give a go at fresh and frozen or what and my CCG stop offering IVF on NHS after 39th birthday :o what a set of tight arses is my area 🤣 I was looking at the criteria for the ABC as we have one in Leeds and I do think I’ll be able to fit that bracket if it came to it paying privately :) another day another madness no doubt in my job today, not gonna try get too stressed this week feeling abit zen zone with it all as it’ll not be healthy for my mindset in life 🙈 I think if we just all put a face mask on over our mouths and a small incision enough to drink through a straw and liquidise soup we might be at a good shot this week not to carve our temptations with good food 😋

[quote KatieLooLa]**@CycloGoose* @minthumbugs* @kaylsd
and anyone I’ve missed...

I’m alive and well! Unfortunately been ridiculously busy with work as everything is changing about so haven’t had a chance to chat with you all. Hopefully things will calm down soon!
Just waiting for 2nd vaccination (July) before I can get back to TTCing.
Ares doing well, malting like crazy! I’m sure my diet is 10% husky fur!
In the meantime will leave a pic of the furry beast.
Hopefully chat soon! X[/quote]
Eeek glad to hear everything is alright with you darling, looking forward to seeing you back on board with the TTC life 🥰❤️

@kaylsd @CycloGoose Wow that IVF stuff is crazy. Such a postcode lottery. I think Bucks and Oxfordshire (which would be my two options as I live in one and am registered GP in the other so could always switch) are the most stringent. 2 years of trying, 1 cycle only and have to be

Good morning ladies! Hope you don't mind if I board this train...

I've got a lovely 4 year old boy and I sadly had a very dramatic ectopic experience three months ago (almost died, lost my right hand fallopian tube, grim grim grim all round).

With my son I took 10 cycles to conceive but was otherwise straight forward. I started off free and easy and ended up doing all the tricks, temping and OPKs and capsules of all sorts! With the ectopic, I had just come off the pill in preparation to TTC and fell immediately so it was a bit of a surprise! I was 30 when I fell pregnant with my son and I'm about to turn 35 this summer.

So this cycle was my first cycle back TTC after the ectopic loss. I have been doing OPKs since the loss to work out my cycle now (as I heard salpingectomy can make it longer or shorter). I tried to temp but my son just climbs into bed with me in the morning and I can't whack the thermometer "up there" when he's sitting on my chest . Anyway, I've had two identical cycles - spotting and cramps (pretty strong) on CD28 and then nothing until full whack CD32, and bleeding for three days. I wasn't TTC either of those cycles as it's not medically recommended for three months/two cycles after an ectopic.

I would be staggered if I was lucky enough to have caught "first try", particularly now being a one-tube wonder! My OPKs weren't massively convincing either, but both apps I use pinpointed it 14 days before CD32 so I guess that tracks. The EWCM tell around then was spot on though so was probably right! But anyway, over the weekend I have been symptom spotting. I need to stop myself. But I have been pregnant twice now and it feels so similar to those early symptoms, and different from my normal pre-AF body. I bet my brain is playing tricks on me, particularly with my symptoms from the early days of what ended up being my ectopic being such a recent memory.

ANYWAY I'm banging on. So yesterday was CD28 and I waited for my cramps and spotting - nothing. So I started to feel cautiously optimistic. Today I bundled husband and son out the door to work/nursery and ran upstairs like a drug addict to POAS - I had one Clearblue digital - the ones that are meant to work 6 days before your missed period (period being due Thursday, with a bit of spotting anticipated Wednesday night, so should be well within that window). Followed the instructions, put it down flat away from me, told Alexa to set a timer for 3 minutes... ran back to it when the timer went off aaaaaaaaand... the bloody book error! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

So I squeezed out a little more FMU into a cup and used the Clearblue FRER (non-digital) that was also in the same box, and dipped for 20 seconds, etc etc. Stark blank, can't even pretend I might be able to see anything there

I know I'm not out until the witch flies in, and I know I would be absolutely outrageously lucky to have caught this month, but I'm driving myself crazy today. I was at my goddaughter's 1st birthday party yesterday and I swear I could smell every baby in that garden

Just desperate to chat with women who don't think I'm crazy! My husband is super superstitious and almost thinks the harder I focus on TTC the less likely we are to actually conceive?? And all my close friends either have small babies/are pregnant, and are all being super "careful" of me at the moment given the recent loss.

Anyone else due Wednesday/Thursday?

That's my little Sammy @CycloGoose 🐶 love the options - your future kiddo might prefer to hear a Petri dish story rather than the opposite 🙈🤣 your dinner and treat sounds lovely, everything in moderation and the occasional school treat is always welcome!

Ohhh noooo @Kitty0389! There's always something with house renovations isn't there. I hope it doesn't set you back too much and it will all be worth it in the end. Good luck with this TWW, hope it's the one 🤞🏻

Hi @rinylou I really empathise with you reading your message. I've had a really similar experience to you - also had the same terrifying ectopic and salpingectomy and I have a son too. It took me a long time to recover mentally from the trauma, I hope you're doing ok and have lots of support around you. ❤️ Also just to mention I had my LO after losing the tube, so one tube wonders are possible and I'm hoping for a second! That is really frustrating with the tests, hopefully the second one just didn't have enough to work? We are all crazy here, so there's no judgement 😉 I had my second loss earlier this year and was getting a bit stressed with tracking so I've taken a break this month but I am somewhere in the TWW, thought based on natural signs AF was due last Thursday but it hasn't appeared yet! My app says tomorrow so waiting to see if it appears. Do you have any more tests, are you planning on testing again today or tomorrow? Best of luck and baby dust ✨

@Rinylou Welcome to the madhouse!
If you are crazy then we all are, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
sorry to hear about the ectopic and the horrendous time you've had, that sounds so very rough.
Fingers crossed AF doesn't come this week, I'm not due for another 10days, but I think we have a few people due this week.
Good luck!