9DPO Symptom Spotting

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Hey @ButterscotchBabe! Continuing our chat here 😁

I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news!

Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me.

I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too.

I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you!

I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

Yeaah! The website was down last night. I guess it's fixed now!

My temps definitely made a song and dance about coming down because they reaaaally came down. I can't say I'm surprised tbh! I knew I wouldn't be pregnant. I did an IC test too and BFN so that pretty much concludes this cycle 😅 In fact, I feel AF is on her way. I can feel the claws of her all over my existence.

Oh, also, my resting heart rate and breathing rate went down as well and nothing says AF like everything suddenly plummeting 😂😂

Good news that AF is coming to an end! You'll be living the good live while I'm drowning in red! I'm trying to do the maths to see how we could catch up. So, if AF starts today for me, I will be CD1 while you will be CD4 - Ok not the week that I thought! If I ovulate CD14 and you CD17 then I'll be 0dpo while you'll also be 0dpo!!! So we may be cycle buddies again!!!!!!

I agree, cyclists need to go! Maybe I should start a government petition! Or maybe the government needs to start building more cycle lanes! Have you ever cycled on a main road before?

Ugh, so after Xmas, we had some left overs in the fridge and my husband being the vacuum cleaner he is, decided to mix as much together as possible!! So he made an omelette with leftover stuffing, leftover potato salad and I'm sure many other disgusting things. And he was upset that I wouldn't eat it!! I literally only had to take one sniff of the thing to know it was poison! He begged me to taste it, that it was nice. And my good God it wasn't! I spat it out and made my own food 😂😂😂 I don't really like eating salad leaves, they just don't taste very nice unless they're mixed with other things. I'd probably pick my portion up and put it on his plate instead but I guess you're a nicer person than me!!

That biological clock is a real nuisance. And so many woman get so focussed on work that sometimes when they're finally ready for kids, it's too late! It's just so interesting that a lot of my friends are single or unmarried without kids and we're all in our late 20s. I wonder if we'll evolve to being fertile for longer because no one is having babies young anymore. I think once my kid is born, after my 6 month maternity leave, a phased return will be something I'd seriously consider, where I gradually do more hours as time goes on. How about you?

Oh no. I hope the competition isn't too tough. Maybe I should apply with a terrible application so you can stand out even more! In this climate where loads of people are looking for jobs maybe even a week would be too long. But you employer may just want to hire internally as it'll be cheaper for them to do so anyway so you probably have a better chance than most!

I can't believe how carefree they were with my siblings and how regimented they were with me. It's like parents make all the mistakes with their first born while using them as their practice child and then once the others come along, they feel too guilty to inflict the same torture!

Haha I don't think they were called Britannia Removals. They were a local company - trying to support local businesses and whatnot! 😁

Any plans for your weekend? Maybe I should finally start my next sewing project 😪 It'll probably be the teal garment. I'll leave naughty and nice for another day. I have new ideas for that that I think you might like 😁

Oh no! Sorry to see your temp come down ☹️ but I think you can be rest assured your progesterone levels are good. Your temp has been high for a sustained period and your luteal phase is at least 10 days. So there should be nothing preventing a pregnancy 🙂.

I'm kinda stuck until I can get some help with ovulation and improving my progesterone levels, so I'm not expecting to conceive this cycle!

I reckon your af might start tomorrow, so you'd be on CD1 when I'm on CD5, so if I ovulate on CD17 (your CD13) and you on CD15 we'd be 2 days apart, like this cycle. That's my prediction anyway! Of course you're not out until af arrives, could always be an implantation dip!

The council's build lots of cycle lanes here, the problem is arrogant cyclists don't use them! Complete waste of tax payers money! I probably have cycled on a road at some point in my life but I can't remember as I don't cycle very often. I don't even have a bike anymore, do you?

Omelette with stuffing 😱😱😱 omg I don't blame you for not wanting to eat that 😂😂. Haha I have sometimes taken veg off my plate and put it on his when he wasn't looking 😂😂.

The problem is evolution takes thousands of years, whereas women have only started working and having kids later in the past 60 years, so I think we're a long way off. For the first child id probably take 6-9 months off then go back full time but with a second child I'd probably have to reduce hours to part time, depending on the cost of nursery. With two young children nursery costs would double, so I'd have to way up which is better money wise.

Haha thanks but its internal only, so that does cut it down but as it's a national role anyone in the country can apply. I think I'll get an interview, I'm just not sure I'll pass it.

Yes I'm going to start on my next sewing make and going to use stretch material for the first time 😬. It's a medium thickness so hoping to make a jumper out of it. Have you decided what you're going to make with the teal air mesh? Oooh what are the naughty and nice ideas??

Maybe not having the expectation to conceive will actually help you conceive. Will you still track BBT and do OPKs?

I don't think AF will come tomorrow. For the past two cycles I've spotted the day before she arrives and today, I'm blood free, so probably Monday is more likely, unless it starts out of nowhere! But at least the gap between us won't be as big as I thought it would be 💃

Nope, I'm nowhere near brave enough to cycle on the road! Someone would hit me from anger! At least I know I would if it was the other way around 😏 I just think on a bike, you're so exposed and you're surrounded by big, powerful vehicles. It's scary. Did you used to drive into work? Before COVID that is...

See that's what I mean about you being a nicer person!! You do it when he's not looking! I'd make sure he is looking and I'd stare him dead in the eyes as I returned to him what's rightfully his 🥗

I guess the only good thing we have going for us is technology. IVF and the ability to freeze eggs. But unfortunately it seems that that is something reserved for those who can afford it. We're lucky with the NHS but that still has limitations on who can have it and how many times it can be done.

There's been a lot of threads recently about being a stay at home mum. Personally, I love the independence and security having my own job brings. The thought of depending solely on DH makes me feel so uncomfortable - I couldn't do it. Our mortgage is affordable on either of our salaries alone and we could probably live on mine or his, but two salaries is also safer, especially after what we've been through with COVID. If I wasn't working and DH lost his job, then what? Could you give up your job to be a SAHM?

Ah, well that makes it a lot better! I don't know if people regularly search for internal job openings, I know I don't. So you probably won't have a lot of people apply. I think you've got this! 💪

That's a cute pink 👚 I hope it turns out great! Yes, I have a design for the teal but not decided on the skirt bit yet. The naughty and nice I'll keep a secret for now, but I've changed it slightly to the initial design and I need to think of the right fabric for it because the new idea requires at least 3 meters of fabric, which I don't have. I'm still busy moping around, but hopefully I'll get out of bed and start working on the pattern sometime this year! 😂

Yep still doing BBT and OPK I could never not do them now 😂😂.

Well that's a good sign you haven't spotted yet, hopefully you'll get an extra day on your luteal phase!

Yeh I used to drive to work, DP used to work at the same place a couple of years ago, that was nice because we used to drive to work together and have a coffee break and lunch together! Do you think you'd be able to work with your DH?

😂😂😂😂 Scary! Well I hope he learnt his lesson and doesn't keep trying to put veg on your plate!

Nah I wouldn't want to be a stay at home Mum unless DP was super rich! We'd be poor on only one wage and I like expensive things 😂😂. Also if I didn't earn my own money I'd be dependent on him giving me some of his and I would not like him being in control of what I can buy! That's great that you're quite comfortable financially, if you haven't already, I would recommend having savings, you never know what life can throw at you!

Thank you, I wish I had your confidence! Unfortunately permanent positions do get a lot of applicants but I can only do my best. I believe in fate, I believe what ever happens, happened because it was supposed to. So if I don't get this job, maybe something better is around the corner! Do you believe in fate?

So I pretty much made the top and the stretch fabric was absolutely fine, no issues. The only problem was I intended to make a baggy jumper but it doesn't work with the fabric, this fabric needs a more figure hugging fit. So now I need to cut into it and try and tighten it! Oooh its a secret! Now I'm even more intrigued! Omg you hadn't got out of bed by 16.30?? Brilliant! That's my kinda weekend 😂😂😂

🤓 If you look here to the chart on the left 👈, you'll be able to observe my final masterpiece. As you can see, AF was predicted a day prior, with the sudden fall in body temperature on the day of 26. This day also saw some pink spotting, as well as watery CM, indicating an unexpected increase in estrogen 📈. Although this chart did not result in pregnancy ❌, the concluding results shows a body ready to nourish a baby, with stable LP temperatures and a just-about-enough LP. With that being said, I now welcome you to share your comments, observations and questions 🙋‍♀️. Thank you for attending my seminar on unCliche's body.

Haha I guess doing them gives you some control and if you're anything like me, you'll know how hard it is to give up control! Especially when it's something you want to badly! Did you ever get a call back about your first fertility appointment?

My final LP was 11 days. I think it's ok. I would have preferred longer but maybe I'm just an 11 day LP sort of girl. I'm not sure if I've fixed my body or not but my temps being their highest ever can't be a bad thing. I might increase my dose of Agnus Castus up to the recommended 1000mg from today, CD1. How have you been finding the B Vitamins? You bought quite a low dose so I think you won't experience any weird symptoms. I don't feel any different with the vitamins but something seems to be working so I'll keep taking all of mine.

Aww cutee!! I used to take the bus and then when I passed my driving test, I started driving to work. I remember the first day I drove, it took me an hour to do a 10 minute journey because the sat nav took me somewhere wrong!! And I kept taking wrong turnings too! I called DH up crying because I was so lost 😂 I actually dated a guy from work. Worst relationship of my life, and not because we were colleagues. When we broke up, it was really awkward. But eventually we started talking again just before he went back home to Hungary. I used to live near him and sometimes our paths would cross and there were times I'd be with DH, and the ex and DH would give each other such death stares. I kinda wished they'd fought for my honour there and then 🤼‍♂️ 😂

Oh, I am a very scary lady 😉😈

Haha what sort of expensive things do you like?? I'm definitely a huge saver! I used to put aside 50%+ of my salary into savings. I now put in about 45% because I lost my car allowance which was £400 a month after tax 😭😭😭😭😭 But I'm getting a 5% pay rise starting this month so hopefully more can go into savings. Between DH and I, we put aside about £3000 a month, which has really helped with buying a house but we'd probably save a little less going forward as our mortgage is about £300 more than our rent. How much % of your salary do you save?

Yes, I believe in the universe but whether or not the universe is synonymous with God, I don't know, however, I do know that some things are meant to happen. Meeting DH was definitely a result of fate. There were so many weird and familiar things about him that made me, say "hold on a second, maybe I really do need to see where this goes". And I 100% don't regret it! Everything just feels/felt right! Are there any experiences you've had that feels like fate?

Oh that was a quick sewing make! I was too sad to sew yesterday so I stayed in bed for the whole day, way beyond 4:30pm 😁 Here's the design for the teal. I like the top, but not sure of the skirt

Ah my prediction of your af starting today was right 😉. Sorry that is has come though, even though you were expecting it, it still feels like a set back every time af arrives ☹️. Is that why you were sad yesterday because you were expecting af?

Haha brilliant seminar!! It seems that watery CM is a sign of estrogen taking over from progesterone, ready to start the next cycle. So at the moment we're 4 days apart but I reckon we can shrink that gap with ovulation 😊.

Nope haven't had a call yet, I re-read the email and it seems they'll ring me when an appointment becomes available, so I might not hear from them for a few weeks ☹️. If I haven't heard by mid Feb then I'll contact them again and chase it.

I think 11 day LP is fine, I've read you need a minimum of 10 days so you should be okay 👍. So the Agnus Castus didn't make any noticeable changes this cycle? Unfortunately the B vitamins haven't arrived yet, which is annoying because they'll probably arrive too late to affect this cycle.

Oh no lol sat-navs can be a nightmare if there are multiple turnings close together, I find they're often a few seconds behind! If I'm driving somewhere for the first time I try and do a test run, so that on the day I know where I'm going but that's not always possible. Haha yeh work relationships either turn out amazing or awful, there's not really a middle ground because if you split up, you can't easily avoid them! My DP has never met my ex's but I've met 4 women he's slept with, one being an ex, the others just casual. I probably gave them evil looks 😂😂.

Nothing in particular but when I decide I want something, I like to get the best quality I can afford. So the sewing machine was quite pricey and we recently bought a printer/scanner that was probably more techy than we really needed. More regular things would be clothes, shoes and make-up although I've spent less on these the past year. That's great to be putting away so much each month, that will definitely help when buying baby stuff! The max we can save is £2000 a month (about half our wages) but that's with only buying essentials. I can't remember if I previously said but DP will be out of work at the end of Jan, so he's stopped saving, so now it's only me putting into the pot.

Aww that's sweet! I'd probably say a similar thing with DP, my 2 previous long term relationships were awful, I knew it wasn't right with them. I got third time lucky! I could have met him years earlier as I knew about the dance classes because my Mum went but I just wasn't interested back then. However I now know he was in a relationship for some of that time, so I think we both met at the right time in our lives 😊.

I've had to chop off the sleeves 😭😭 the material was just completely wrong for the design, so now I'm turning the baggy jumper into a tight sleeveless top! Possibly gonna add some embellishments to make it more blingy!

Oooh the top is cool, I particularly love the back! For the skirt, maybe the air mesh could go on top of the other fabric, rather than underneath it?

Hehe yeah! You were right. I started spotting in the evening and I knew it was all over at that point 😂So yeah, that's why I was a bit down. I'm always sad after AF shows up. I guess all I can do is give things more time. I've been researching how to increase sperm count today. I might even work out this evening with DH to get ourselves fit and healthy. 🏋️‍♀️

We'll definitely shrink that gap, even if I have to will my body to ovulate at the same time as yours 😄I probably won't continue checking CM and I'll keep OPKs to a minimum, maybe starting at CD12. I bought FF premium for a year today, I copied you 😁! Cycle 5 with no hope of getting pregnant any time soon, so I might as well.

Mid feb is a whole month away 😱 So from what I understand, they are an NHS clinic that also takes private appointments? And that's why there's a bit of a wait?

DH and I (but mostly I) have decided that if we're not pregnant by Easter, we'll do further checks and maybe start looking into treatment. We'll probably consider IUI first and see if that works for us. Each treatment is £1500, which is ok I think. Obviously, I'd rather make a baby for free but it is what it is. If you conceived with treatment, would you tell people? Or would you just pretend it happened naturally? I'm not sure what I'd do tbh.

Well, apparently Agnus Castus needs 3 months to actually start working and since I'm taking a lower dose it might take even longer. It's probably been the combination of the other vitamins helping the most. I've ordered more vitamins as some are starting to run low.

Haha omg! Did you meet them at dance?? That must have been awkward. I've never met any of DHs exes but they're in Greece. I would love to meet one of his exes though!!! I think it would be hilarious. How do you think your DP would react if he met one of yours?

Oh yeah, I completely get that. I also look for the best that I can afford too! No wonder your sewing machine has about 100 different stitches 😂 Have you used many of them yet?

Oh no, I didn't realise your DP would be out of work! What's going to happen now? Did he get the data architect interview?

It's funny how being at the right place at the right time changes everything! And that means your mum met him first! Did she like him as a BF for you?

That's annoying, sorry the design didn't work out. At least you know for next time 😁 Once you're done, I'd love to see it!! I'm thinking I'll just have the main fabric as the skirt. I was going for avant garde but actually I think simple is better sometimes.

We received the letter from our tests today. Not much was said 🤷‍♀️

The letter doesn't really tell you anything you didn't already know 😂. Although it's good to have those figures written down. Hopefully you won't need to go back to them but it's good to have a plan, at least you know Easter isn't too far away.

IUI is £895 at the clinic here, £1500 is quite a lot, does that include consultations and medications? I think I would tell people we got help, there's a bit of a stigma around it and I think it should be more openly talked about. Infertility is a medical condition and it should be treated like one, I don't think people should be ashamed to need help to conceive. I read on the infertility board, one lady's husband made her tell her in-laws it was her with the problem, when actually it was him but he was too embarrassed to tell his parents and I think that's sad.

When af arrives I just think about the next fertile period and look forward to doing OPKs, spotting the positive and the EWCM, then looking out for temp rises. All that keeps me going, it gives me something to focus on and something to look forward to. I would encourage you to do the same, just try and think of the next cycle as getting closer to your BFP 😊.

How's your af going? I thought mine had stopped yesterday then today it kinda came back but just light.

Yeh I'm gonna start OPKs a bit later this cycle, probably CD12 as well, I don't ovulate until CD15 or CD17. Hehe cool! I much prefer the look of the premium account and it's handy that it shows the DPO, so you don't have to count the dots! It will be funny if you now get pregnant this cycle 😂.

Yep that's right, they're an NHS clinic that takes NHS patients and self-funded patients. However some staff will have been diverted due to covid so they aren't able to do as many appointments or treatments per day. I did look into some private hospitals in Bristol but they're more expensive, so we'll have to just wait it out.

2 of the women were at dance, one was at a house party and the other was during a Xmas reunion with his old uni friends. So he's only been with you since being in the UK? When did he move here? Haha I don't know if you would like it, it's quite awkward but does depend on the person! I don't think DP would really care, he's quite confident and has high self esteem, so I don't think he would feel threatened by them. He's taller and better looking than them anyway so he wouldnt need to worry 😂😂.

Haha I've used more stitches recently as I've been experimenting with stretch, buttons and embroidery but most of them probably won't be used. Do you use many different stitches or just stick to a few trusty ones?

He hasn't heard back yet about the job, the organisation he's applied for (same place I work), are very slow with recruitment!

Yes my Mum knew DP for years before I did 😂😂, which kinda made it easier when introducing him as BF because she already liked him as a person. Do your parents like your DH?

I just googled Avant Garde, there's some very unique designs! You'll have to find something else to do with the air mesh, as I'm guessing you'll have some leftover if you're not using it for the skirt? Maybe a netted top over the top part of the dress, or netted sleeves.

The top isn't finished yet but now I've stuck the bias binding to the neck it's made it stick out, whereas before it was flat on my skin. Do you know why it's done this? Do I need to cut the fabric in a circle rather than straight when making bias binding for the neck?

I actually messaged the clinic yesterday asking for a full breakdown of DH's results. I'm tempted to ask for the video recorded from the microscope so I can see them swimming myself! But I suppose with DH's "good quality" swimmers, the problem mostly lies with me! I wish I'd just done the progesterone test and left the blood sitting for a while then repeated it next cycle 😪

😱 £895! We're being ripped off!! This is what the price includes:

• nurse planning appointment
• counselling
• HFEA fee
• blood tests for HIV, Hep B and Hep C
• monitoring bloods and ultrasound scans during the treatment cycle
• 1 review consultation or early pregnancy

scan.

Medication is a separate cost too. Is that the same at your clinic? We might have to shop around if there are cheaper places. The only thing I can't complain about is the turnaround, they've been pretty quick.

Ugh men and their egos! God forbid it's ever their fault. That's why many women suffer with childlessness - because their idiot partner refuses to acknowledge anything could be wrong with him. Also, why are you on the infertility boards?? Tut tut! P.S. If we used fertility treatment, I wouldn't mention anything 🙈.

For what it's worth, if it'll give you some hope, I was searching on FF with my new premium account 🤩 and I was looking at charts of women who conceived with short LPs. It took this woman 12 months to conceive with an 8 day LP. After 7 months this woman found success with a 10 day LP. Hers actually resembles my pattern with a similar min and max temp, coverline and rise and fall. So there's hope for us after all!

You're much more positive about TTC than me. I wish I had your optimism. Being in lockdown just makes everything that more depressing. There's nothing to do and nowhere to go and TTC is the only thing to think about. Last night I drank quite a bit and I was just so sad about everything. Being stuck indoors, having no motivation, conception taking its time. I'm pretty mentally and emotionally strong but this is really starting to take its toll. My life used to be so vibrant! Full of activities and people. Now I barely make it out of bed each day. Mondays turn into Saturdays which turn into bank holidays and there's no difference... Just the same old monotony. Anyway let's sprinkle some positivity onto this thread 🧚‍♀️

Did you search anything in particular to find this clinic? Maybe we need to be looking at NHS clinics too since they're considerably cheaper!

AF is going ok. I've noticed it's gotten much lighter but I did a search on google to find out how much blood should actually be lost during AF and the number was like 80ml or something. My menstrual cup has measurements lines on it and on day 1 I think I lost about 45ml, yesterday about 25ml and today I'd probably lose a little more so what I must have been experiencing before were heavy periods! I used to be able to fill the cup several times a day on CD1 and was very perplexed when I read a woman on here emptied her cup once every 8-12 hours on CD1!! What's your flow like?

Yeah, I'm his first non-Greek lover 😁 I don't think I'd find meeting his exes awkward. I love bringing up his ex girlfriend but just because he hates it. If I met her I definitely wouldn't care that they had a thing before. If I met my exes new girlfriend I'd probably hug her and tell her she's very pretty, because she is! Did your DPs exes still attend dance class even after you guys got together? I think that would definitely be awkward - for them.

The only stitch I need is straight. If I'm sewing button holes, then I'll use that. Zig-zag if a fabric is terribly fraying and that's it really. I started drafting my pattern last night. I'm going to make a toile first to get some practice and see if it'll work. I think I'll adjust the curves a bit, I already don't like it. With your top, what you have is a gaping neckline. It happens. The culprit was having the top and bottom of the neck band the same length. Plus you have stretch fabric which is a pest in it's own right. I do actually like the neckline though, it adds something different to the top 😍

Oh your DP used to work at the same company as you, then left and now he wants to go back? Or has he always been there but he's applying internally? Has he applied at other companies. If he wants to work in IT, London would be his best bet. I know it's much more expensive to live there and commuting would be a nightmare but if he can mostly WFH, it might be fine. Plus the pay will be really good.

My parents looooooove DH. At one point my dad had a photo of him and DH as his phone background image 😂😂 They can see I'm really happy with him 😁 Was your mum surprised when you guys started dating?

Yeah, I'll have quite a bit left over and I can't imagine I'd want to make anything teal again. I'll think of something to add. Avant Garde always sounds like a good idea but the designs are so outrageous that you'd never actually wear them in real life!

B vitamins arrived today! I'm CD7 so hopefully that's early enough to make a difference, I'll have to wait until end of cycle to find out!

That would be cool to see the sperm swimming! But you probably don't need to, I think it's safe to trust their judgement. You don't know that there is a problem with you, your cycle is normal, your tests have come back normal, I think you just need time 🙂.

Yep it looks like the clinic here includes the same things you have listed with medication an additional cost. IVF is £3300, frozen embryo storage £455 per year and £880 for frozen embryo transfer (incase first fresh IVF cycle doesn't work). Yeh it might be worth you shopping around, there's probably a few clinics/hospitals in your area and they'll be loads in London. That was really good how quick you were seen after making contact. I guess it's the same with everything, the more you pay the quicker you get seen. If you want to save money you have to wait. Maybe you could find a middle ground, somewhere a little cheaper but that doesn't keep you waiting for ages like mine. I just typed Fertility and the area in Google, as it's the only one it was pretty easy to find. You could find out if your local NHS hospital treats self funded patients for fertility.

Haha well I could be starting on clomid or gonadotropins within the next couple of months, so I wanted to read about other people's experiences. I'm hoping I can get gonadotropins as they have a higher success rate but they're mainly used before IVF because they make you produce more eggs, so if you have the medication alone, there's a higher chance of multiple pregnancy! Clomid is similar but doesn't produce as many eggs, so you're more likely to just release one.

Well done for finding those charts! That's really interesting and does give hope for short luteal phases!

I completely understand how you're feeling with the lockdown, it's definitely becoming harder the longer it drags on. Is your job keeping you busy? I find I don't have much time to think about TTC during the day. At least fertility treatments have not stopped, so this time isn't being wasted. You're doing everything you can to TTC and now you have a plan of action if you don't conceive by Easter.

Is there maybe a new hobby or skill you could learn to help keep your mind off TTC? Maybe knitting, painting, learning a language, professional courses, baking? Also do you have zoom catch ups with friends? I know it's not the same but it does help you keep connected to people.

I think how much each woman bleeds is going to vary massively, I wouldn't read too much into one figure. My flow is heavy for CD1 and CD2, then light for the following 3/4 days. I use tampons and pads so I don't know what the volume is. It's amazing how my period pain has greatly reduced since taking folic acid with vitamin D, I've had horribly painful periods for years.

Wow that's quite a different approach, I think most people would feel uncomfortable meeting their partners ex's or their ex's partner but it's a good thing that you wouldn't! Yeh it was quite awkward at dance when they were there, we just tried to avoid them 😂.

I have no idea what body parts those patterns are for 😂 but I'm sure it will turn out amazing! You'll have to post a pic when you've made the practice one. Where can I buy a roll of paper? Is there any particular paper you would recommend? At the moment I'm sticking pieces of A4 paper together with selotape 😂. Ah so for future necklines I'll try and cut out a curve!

Yep bit confusing lol, so DP and I both worked there, he left and now has applied for a job there again 😂. I'm not sure what he wants to do long term, he has skills in data but he's also very good with people, so I think he should aim to gain management experience.

How are you and your DH coping with working from home? Have you got a proper office set up or have you had to take over another room?

Aww that's lovely and really cute your Dad had a pic of them as his background! My Mum wasn't too surprised but she'd seen us dancing a lot together, so may have suspected something!

I find it really odd that you see loads outrageous designs on the catwalk, like who actually buys them?!

I hope they work for you!! My only concern is that yours only has 10mg of B6 but every little helps! I think you and I are pretty much taking the same vitamins now (minus the agnus castus and magnesium/zinc). I actually ordered a multi-mineral from Holland & Barrett because it contained a nice mix of some minerals that help with general health.

I got back the breakdown of DH's SA. 64% of his sperm are progressively motile so they should be getting to where they need. So, unless there isn't enough of them, something is going wrong somewhere and it probably is me! I know I'm physically normal, but hormonally, I can't be sure. I've never taken hormonal contraceptives so I'm not sure where in my lifestyle I'm going wrong to have caused this 😔

There's this thing with IVF where if you don't end up conceiving, you get your money back. I think with a guarantee like that, I wouldn't mind how much I paid, because it would be worth it if I got a baby out of it and if I didn't, then at least I'd get my money back. I'd have to do proper research on clinics that are around. I just chose the nearest one 😂 At the clinic I went to, IVF is £4676 and £5825 when embryo freezing and one year storage is included.

I've only ever heard of clomid, never gonadotropins but just looked into it and it's basically FSH and LH, which I guess makes sense as they are what allows eggs to mature. You may finally get those twins I've been predicting! 😁

I lack motivation with work too. But DH has really started pushing me to do something. I'm pretty self-sufficient with work so I've started working on a project where I programme an Amazon Alexa to communicate information and data about the infrastructure of the network it's on. It's going to involve a bit of coding, but I'm actually looking forward to it. That should keep me occupied in the daytime/afternoon. What sort of things do you do at work?

I think I'm happy with sewing. I would love to learn something like carpentry or pottery. I love people who can create things with their hands. I could watch pottery TV shows for hours. The minds of some people! 🤯 But sewing is the easiest thing to do for now. Are there any hobbies that are a bit "out there" or unique that you'd love to learn?

I've never been someone who suffered from menstrual cramps but I've also noticed a great reduction in pain. I just wish it would extend to my boobs too!!! Sometimes I just want to cry from the pain 😭

Well, how I see it is, everyone has a past and even though things don't work out with an ex, the least we can do for them is be happy when they've moved on and found love in someone else. I have no reason to feel sad or jealous or annoyed that an ex is doing fine without me. The only way I'd feel those things is if I wasn't over them. And if that's the case, then I really should be single!

Haha the pattern did look weird. I stitched it together and with my first attempt I created the toile in the white cotton only. But you can't really see the style lines, plus I didn't like the shape of the curves so I redrafted it and used a contrasting black fabric on the curved areas. I think I like attempt no.2 the best. The shape is much better.

For paper, I just buy cheap kraft rolls. It's the brown rolls you wrap presents with. I iron it flat and I'm good to go. You can get them from anywhere. But as they're so disposable, the cheaper the better. So look in the likes of Wilkos, Poundland, etc.

Yes, a curve for the neckline would be better. You can trace around the existing neckline to create the pattern for it.

Management is a good way to move up the corporate ladder. He should go for it! Would you ever go into management?

WFH is fine. I'm usually upstair in the study or in the bedroom and DH is downstairs in the living room. And the most embarrassing thing happened today! I cringe so much thinking about it. So, I've just recieved the breakdown of DH's SA and I'm so excited, so I'm literally barrelling down the stairs and like the clumsy fool I am, I shout out "told you I'd get your sperm results!!" and DH is in a meeting with the microphone on!!!! The look on his face!! He was pisssssssed! Omg, I felt terrible!! Apparently everyone on the call went quiet 😭😭😭😭😭😭

How are you finding WFH with your DP?

Avant Garde really is a weird one. Not sure what the point is but maybe they inspire mainstream fashion? 🤷‍♀️

Had a weird spike in temp this morning, slept fine, took it same time as normal and haven't drank alcohol since Sunday, so don't know what would cause that 😕. I guess it doesn't really matter in the follicular phase, just thought it was strange! How's your temp doing?

I got a letter from the fertility clinic today and have my first consultation on 3rd March. I'm pleased to have that booked in, shame I've gotta wait 6 weeks though. So I'll be at the end of my next cycle (cycle 8) by the time I speak to them.

I was reading their price list and if you're prepared to give up some of your eggs for donor eggs, you get the IVF practically free. We could really do with not spending the money but I don't know if I could live with someone else having my babies 😕, what do you think?

The pack of B vitamins says to take 2 but I'm only taking 1 as most of them are massively over the RDA, so I'll only be getting 5mg of B6. Is B6 the most important one for fertility?

I don't think your hormones are too far off as your luteal phase is okay but unfortunately some couples end up with 'unexplained infertility', where nothing appears to be wrong but pregnancy just isn't happening. You're not doing anything wrong so don't beat yourself up. Sooner or later you will have a baby, it's just how much it's gonna cost 😂, hopefully nothing!

Haha I'd love to have twins, it's like buy one get one free 😂😂😂

Ooh that sounds interesting, I don't have an Alexa so I don't know much about them, do you get to choose what projects you work on? A lot of my work is assessing grant expenditure claims, so projects will do some work and then claim back the money from us but they need to evidence the work they've done and prove what money they've spent.

Haha yes some people are very talented, as are you! I'd like to try pottery or glass making but as a hobby I think I'll just stick to sewing for now. I've still got so much to learn, I look forward to creating something without making mistakes 😂.

Oh no, that's awful, have you tried taking painkillers? I don't know what would cause such bad boob pain, obviously it's hormones but it's weird that some people get it and some don't.

The black and white contrast looks really cool! It's also quite slimming with the black sides and white in the middle (not that you needed it to be!).

Thanks I'll look for some kraft roll paper 😊.

I don't know about Management, I do quite like things my own way 😂 which you can only do if you're the Manager! I'm not sure how good I would be at handling people though. I think I remember you saying you didn't want to go into Management, as your DH job is much more stressful?

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Omg that's hilarious!! I feel sorry for your DH though 😂😂. Is he still mad? That would have been quite embarrassing!

WFH is mostly okay, we've set up an office but it's quite a small room and we're sat pretty close, so it's awkward if we're both on the phone at the same time!

I've never understood why catwalk designs are so strange but yeh maybe they inspire the latest fashion but a toned down version lol.

7dpo would be way too early to ovulate so I think it's safe to assume it was a random spike. Did it come back down today or keep going up? My temps go down as slowly as they go up. They've been steadily dropping since AF started and they'll keep dropping for a few more days I think. I've ask DH to keep his sperm fresh by doing his business every other day until we can start DTD, which'll probably be from tomorrow! Or CD8. Or CD10. Or CD12!

That's soo far away! But it's better than nothing. Will you be having investigations done on the same day or it's just an appointment to sit and chat with a consultant? Hopefully they can give you an appointment for 21 days bloods straight after! Will your DP be going too? Might as well check his swimmers!

I actually joked with DH that since I had eggs in abundance that I could probably donate about 100 a month and not make a dent in my reserves but thinking about it seriously, I'm not sure I could! Just the thought that I'd have little unCliche's out there in the world, it's a bit of a tricky one. Would you be able to forget about all the kids that you'd potentially be genetically related to?? I guess it's about how well you can live with yourself after.

Yes, B6 is the one you want for progesterone. And you'd need to take at least 50mg of it for it to make an impact on fertility. You can take up to 200mg but above that, you risk some bad side effects. 100mg is a nice middle for me and apart from turning my pee luminous yellow, it's been fine. What are you taking the B-complex for? Your LP?

Unexplained fertility is even worse because then you can't do anything about it!! I know that's what I'm going to have. It's just my luck!

Yes and no, I need to be available to help partners and customers but for the most part, my job is about learning. So doing anything to further my knowledge is within the scope of the job description. Ah so do you look at receipts, summate everything and then call them up on fraud when the numbers don't add up?

Haha they'll never not be a time when you don't make mistakes with sewing!! Glass blowing is also another one I'd consider!!

Boob pain is probably just down to progesterone, not much I can do about it. I guess I'm just more sensitive to the hormone than others. I don't really take painkillers, but I'm not a medication sort of person anyway. I suffer through it and then it's gone in a week.

The black and white make is just a toile, which is a practice garment, basically. I made it to make sure the pattern would work before I cut into my teal fabric. And last night I cut into it! But I didn't have enough fabric for the top and the skirt! So I had to think on my feet to come up with an alternative design option. So I made a semi-circle skirt instead, which gave me room to cut the top out too. But I cut it out in the wrong position so now I have to make up the waist band with side seams instead of having just one continuous band... See... Mistakes. They happen but you deal with them 😉

Haha after his meeting, he came up and hugged me and said he still loves me 😂😭

Oh no! I'd hate to work in the same room as DH. He's always in meetings and I hate his meeting voice!! It would annoy me so much, so I'm glad we have four separate floors in the house to choose from. there's always somewhere to go to escape him!

We've been without hot water for over a week! The plumber is here now fixing it. Hopefully I can finally get a nice hot shower and no more bucket baths!

Also, I don't have enough fabric for the straps! So I ordered some transperate straps from amazon at like 2am in the morning! I have some transparent findings too so I'll make the straps adjustable. I hope it ends up looking nice!!

Yeh I think it was a random spike, came down to 36.4 today. That's probably nice that your temp comes down slowly as at least you can see it going in the right direction. It's annoying to have random spikes because it makes you wonder what's going on!

It's a video consultation so there won't be any investigations or treatments on that day. I'm hoping from the consultation they'll just prescribe me some medication but they may want to do a sperm analysis and other scans first.

It's such a difficult decision because the money saving is huge but I don't know if I could live with knowing my babies are out there somewhere. I'd end up looking at every child that looks like me, wondering if they were mine. I think we'll probably pay for it to start with and if we're unsuccessful then I might need to consider egg donation to fund future attempts.

How do you think you'll approach DTD this cycle? I think we'll probably try and do it quite a lot in the fertile period again. DP really looks forward to this time in my cycle, he keeps saying "is it your fertile period yet?" 😂😂.

Ah okay I didn't know which B vitamin was important, I knew you were taking them and I'd seen others mention B vitamins so I just ordered a multi pack. Yeh I guess to improve LP or ovulation!

That's quite lucky with your role that you're able to continue learning and working on your development. My employer does allow us to work on development but it's difficult when workload is high! Yes if they're claiming for money they can't sufficiently evidence, we could have them investigated for fraud. We also investigate whether the work they've done is to a good enough standard.

Haha I'm the opposite, if I'm in pain I'm happy to take the drugs! If it's stopping you sleeping or affecting your work then there's no harm in taking something to make you feel more comfortable.

Ah I get it now, you'll have to send another pic with the teal fabric on! I so need to get a mannequin, that must make it much easier to make amendments? Looking forward to seeing the finished product!

Aww that was sweet of him, it probably helps that he's the Manager because I doubt any of the employees would dare bring the subject up with him 😂. They've probably had a chuckle to themselves though 😂😂.

Omg no hot water for a week 😱😱😱 have you managed to have a nice hot shower or bath now?

Here's my very boring chart 😄 Still going down slowly. How are your temps doing? Have you started DTD yet? We'll be doing every other day this cycle. Hopefully we can start from CD8.

During you consultation will you explain your LP and your temps to them? Maybe that'll give them an idea of what's going on without you having to do tests. Although it might be tricky getting a prescription without any medical proof. Will your DP join you during the consultation?

Maybe look for the money back guarantee, that way if it doesn't wok after x number of cycles you won't have lost anything. Selling your eggs to fund something is a bit like selling your kidney's on the black market to pay for your gambling addiction 😂 or maybe not... What I'm trying to say is, you shouldn't feel like you have to give away a part of yourself to get something you want.

Haha I wish my DH was as keen as your DP. He's always so tired and stressed from work that he's not always in the mood. At least baby making is enjoyable for you guys! Will you be going at it everyday? 😂

Ah, understood. Yeah, it's good to get a B-complex but the one you want is B-50 or B-100. They have the dosage you need. And don't worry, it won't kill you! At least I'm still alive, right?!!

Do you have a baseline to judge quality of work on or is subjective? I've been soo busy today, hence the late reply. Was working on my Alexa programme, which has completely stressed me out, then went straight to my sewing machine to make some progress on this dress. It's almost there now. Should be done tomorrow or Sunday. How's your current project?

Haha. As long as I'm not moving, my boobs are fine. Sleep is ok too. But walking, or doing anything that makes them move is torture!! I just hope it isn't something I have to deal with during pregnancy! I'd hate it! I want a symptomless pregnancy. Would you want one too?

Nah, the mannequin doesn't really help me. I'm just rubbish at utilising them. It's not the right shape for my body so I'd have to pad out some bits to give it curves and rolls in the right places. But I'm happy to just keep using my own body.

Yesss! So happy we have hot water again!!! We couldn't even use the dishwasher properly!!

Any plans for the weekend?

That's a lovely looking smooth curve! My temp has been quite jumpy, although I didn't take it this morning as I struggled to sleep ☹️.

Haven't started DTD yet but DP says he wants to do it later, if he had his way we'd be doing it twice a day, every day 😂😂. Every other day is a good approach, that way his sperm get a chance to rebuild and they'll always be a supply in you!

One of the forms I need to complete asks how long we've been trying, I'm probably gonna say a year because I don't know if they'll refuse to see us if I put less 😕. My plan is to say about the short LP and that I want to start on gonadotropins, this medication has the highest success rate but it's the most expensive and it's injections 😱. The one they'll probably want to put me on is clomid, which is cheaper but a lower success rate. Yes DP will be there, they'll prob insist on a sperm analysis before prescribing anything because it's pointless me taking ovulation inducing drugs if his sperm aren't up to the job. I don't know if they do a money back guarantee, I'll have to ask, as they're NHS I would guess probably not.

Could you DTD in the morning before he starts work? DP always wakes up with a hard on 😂😂😂.

Haha I'll look for a B-50 or a B-100 next! How long have you been taking them for?

It depends what the work is, if it's tree planting or installing fencing, then it's quite easy to see the benefits. If it's a fish pass or a more complicated build then I might refer to a specialist to review the work. So it is a bit subjective, however they'll be a minimum standard but as I don't have an environmental background, I don't know what that is.

Is the Alexa programme not going to plan? Or is it a bit of trial and error?

Oooh I'm excited to see the finished dress! 👗 I need to finish the pink stretch top tomorrow, I'm a bit gutted about the gaping neck line but I've already removed the neck bias once before, I really cba to do it again! Fabric has arrived for the jacket I'm supposed to be making for my Mum, I'm gonna make a practice one for myself first. I've attached a pic of the jacket fabric and lining, the fabric looked darker in the online picture but it's more ivory.

I'm not sure I'd want a symptomless pregnancy because I'd probably constantly worry there's nothing there but light symptoms would be ideal! Well it's not something we can decide so we'll have to wait and see 😊.

Ah it looks like the mannequin would be useful, the annoying thing I've found with putting on the material whilst trying to get the fit right, is it gets fabric everywhere! The non stretch materials I've had so far, fray really badly!

Glad you've got hot water back! I love baths 🛁

No plans for the weekend other than sewing! It's awful this new variant of the virus is more contagious and has a higher death rate. I don't think this lockdown will be over for a while yet ☹️. Do you have much planned?

Back is killing me but I'm nearing the end! Have no idea how to fasten it 😭😭😭 I'll reply tomorrow! Goodnight lovely 💕

Wow the dress looks amazing 😍😍, well done! How do you do the waist band, is it with interfacing?

I do wonder how much the fertility bracelet influences the shape of the chart because it completely removes human error. Maybe you'd find you get smooth curves too when you track with a bracelet. I actually did a chart overlay and it's interesting to see that my last 3 cycles (including this one) follows a similar pattern.

😟 Why've you been struggling to sleep? Are you nervous about something?

Your DP must have a high libido! I wish I could get aroused just by thinking of DTD. I guess that's how men and women are different. I can only remember on two separate occasions where I've been super horny just by thinking about it. One was at my old workplace. I was so aroused my clit was throbbing, I had to excuse myself to the toilet to calm down. The other time was before my Hungarian ex and I had slept together and just the thought of him got me there 🥵 When DH and I started dating, kissing him was like fire through my soul 🔥😂 I wish I still had that feeling. How's your libido compared to your DP?

If you're paying, I don't think they can turn you away. I told the clinic I went to we'd only been trying for 3 months. They probably thought we were crazy but still saw to us. Injecting medication 😱 Your DP would have to stab you with needles!! Unless you could do it yourself?

DTD in the morning would be an option except we always wake up late! I haven't checked DH for morning wood in a while! Just asked him and he said sometimes he wakes up with one. I have used it to my advantage before and woke him up to some sweet sweet loving 😂 You might has well just pounce on your DP every morning!

This is my 4th cycle taking the B vitamins. I think going from a 9 to 11 day LP is progress. All I can hope for is that I implant early so that my 11 day LP doesn't matter.

Does the work that gets done happen nationwide or is it only locally? How do you inspect the work? Just from photos? Since your working from home?

Things did somewhat progress with the Alexa programme and I feel like I have all the pieces I need but they're disparate at the moment and bringing them together in a way that'll work is proving challenging! I'll just keep trying. Not much else I can do!

Practice jacket is a good idea. Even I still practice because cutting into your expensive fabric and making a mistake is the worst feeling. Do you have a pattern for the jacket or will you make one yourself? I need to figure out what to sew next. I can't do anything about the teal dress until I have a zipper that'll work for it. Yes, for the waistband, I have two pieces of the dress fabric back to back and on the inside side of them, I've ironed on some interfacing.

With my teal dress project, the lining frayed too. I made sure to do the boring task of zig-zagging around the edges of all my pieces. Saved me a lot of trouble when constantly handling the fabric. You might as well get zig-zagging!

My neighbour pretty much had a symptomless pregnancy. She's due tomorrow! So I'll have a baby next door! Hopefully I won't hear any crying through the walls! I would have loved to be pregnant at the same time as here so we have little ones of similar ages, but life has different plans for me!! Are any of your friends thinking of marriage/starting a family/buying a house? Basically doing adult stuff?

I agree, it seems like we have another 6 months of being in lockdown. I just don't want to be driven to insanity. I'm mostly tidying up the house this weekend. The estate agent is coming on Monday to take photos of the property for prospective tenants 😭 This is my home! I don't want anyone else to have it, but it needs to be done 😭😭

Yes you're probably right, the bracelet is going to be more accurate than a human can be! Your cycle in green is a little different but your current cycle looks to be going in the same direction as the other ones 🙂.

DP and I had a few rum and cokes on Thursday night so that was probably the reason I couldn't sleep!

Yes he does have a high libido 😂 I used to when we first met but then after I went on the pill it disappeared and hasn't really come back ☹️. Oh wow that must have been quite uncomfortable at your old work 😂.

I couldn't inject myself, I'd get DP to do it! Do you think you could inject yourself? Everyone who has IVF has to do it, so I'm hoping it won't be too difficult...

Haha you'll have to set an alarm 😉. I think most men wake up with one and apparently sperm are more active in the morning so it might be better to DTD then!

I think 10 days is the minimum so you should be okay with 11 days. Although I'm disappointed with my short LP, it's good we've both got short cycles, it would be awful having long cycles, it would take so much longer!

I'm in a National team so our projects are all over England, the work is mostly reviewed by the evidence they submit (photos, reports) but local staff will do inspections once or twice a year. As most the work is done outside, inspections have still gone ahead even with covid.

I hope you manage to achieve your goal with the Alexa, it sounds difficult!

I'm going to make the pattern myself, I don't have another cheaper fabric, so the first one will be using the jacket fabric but I'll be making it for myself.

Could you make something wintery? Maybe with faux fur or suede?

That's lucky she had a symptomless pregnancy! Aww it sucks you won't be able to meet the baby properly for a few more weeks. Hopefully they'll be a quiet one and not cry through the night 😂. My friend who moved to Australia recently had a baby but no-one near where I live has.

I used to hate it when estate agents came round and took photos of the place with my furniture and belongings and then stick those pictures on the internet! Just look forward to your new home, that you're free to do anything you want with, not much longer now!

I pretty much had an emotional breakdown and have been crying throughout yesterday and today. It's coming up to DTD time and the thought of DTD and knowing nothing will come of it really got to me. It doesn't help that my neighbour went into labour and I could hear her through the wall. Anyway she gave birth to a boy today. Happy for them!

Ah, sometimes when I have too much alcohol, I struggle to sleep too, or rather, I sleep but only for a few hours. I could do with some alcohol right about now if I'm honest. Just want to drown my sorrows away. I don't think I could go another 6 months of baby making, my sanity is starting to unravel pretty fast.

Do you have to do anything in particular to get yourself in the mood?

I'm not sure I'd be able to inject myself. I have pierced my own ears and septum but I don't think injections could be worse than a piercing needle, so maybe, although I'd probably have DH do it just to be safe. You might not have to inject yourself. They could prescribe you progesterone and all you'd have to do is shove it up your vagina. Sounds like a breeze.

I hate alarms! I don't use one. I let my body wake me up naturally unless I have an early morning meeting that I have to attend. I think we'll continue DTD in the evening. DH would have to get over his stress! Do you guys do it in the morning much?

I agree, I'd rather a short cycle than a 30+ day one. You'd have to wait for ages for ovulation and it'd just feel like sitting around doing nothing... Just waiting. I think I'd like my 25 day cycles but ovulate at CD12 or CD13. That would be ideal. I'd get the best of both worlds. Short cycle but good length LP. I'm curious as to how the agnus castus will affect this cycle. Maybe I'll ovulate at a different time or my temps will reach new heights! I don't think they could go higher anymore. I'd be surprised to see 36.9+. What has been your highest and lowest temp so far?

Are the inspections something you do then? or you just look at the photos and judge it from that?

Have you started your sewing project? I realised that some of the clothes I want to make, I can't, because I've put on weight differently than before. I have love handles now and I've never had them so now it makes clothes looks really bulgy at the sides and I hate it. I had to wear a corset to try on my teal dress because of how terrible I looked! I used to put fat on on my lower stomach and I could mostly hide that, but love handles???? 🤢 Where does most of your fat go?

I find it really funny how different we all are to our parents generation. They were married with kids by 25 and here we are pushing 30 and nothing much to show for our 20s 😂

Yeah, maybe the new home should be my focus now. I've lost all hope of ever getting pregnant so I might as well move on with my life.

Oh no ☹️, sending you hugs 🥰🥰 xxx

You honestly don't need to feel so negative about conceiving, it's your 5th cycle, you've still got every chance to conceive. 90% of couples conceive within 1 year, so even if it took you another 7 months, that would still be completely normal.

You can't go on feeling this awful, it's not fair to do this to yourself. Maybe you should stop all tracking and monitoring completely and only DTD when you want to, not for baby making. Or go back to the fertility clinic and have a medicated IUI or IVF treatment, then you're pretty much guaranteed to get pregnant.

Have you spoke to your DH about how your feeling? I think if covid hadn't happened you wouldn't be feeling this way, being in lockdown and having had severe restrictions on our lives for almost a year now, has been really difficult. When we've got nothing else to think about or to look forward to, it's easy to end up in a downward spiral with our own thoughts. Try to remember you've got lots of great things in your life, you're moving into your new home very soon, you're doing a job you enjoy, you have a lovely DH and soon you will have a child. You've got to start thinking more positively or you could end up making yourself very unhappy.

Gonadotropins can only be given by injection but clomid and other medications are tablets or pessaries, so I'll have to just wait and see what they say!

Yeh we tend to DTD more in the morning, we're often tired by the time we go to bed and I can't be arsed to get up afterwards to go to the bathroom 😂.

Haha I don't think your temps can go much higher! I think my highest was near 36.8 and lowest 36.1 so not a huge range. I've ordered the B-100 complex tablets, they'll arrive tomorrow but I've read you can get neurological problems with B6 toxicity and 100mg is 10x the daily recommended allowance. So I'm just gonna take one every other day and probably just in the luteal phase.

I don't do the inspections, either local area staff will or someone from another agency. It's difficult to explain on here without giving way where I work 😂. Completed my application on Friday and that was the deadline so hopefully I'll find out end of next week if I've got an interview.

Haven't started the jacket yet, I was meant to but didn't get round to it! Have you decided how you're going to fasten the dress? Lol my body is in pretty poor condition after a year in lockdown, I've got small love handles but chunky thighs with loads of cellulite 😭😭. So I've been on a diet since the new year, lost 5lbs so far 🙂. Could you do some home exercises to try and tighten up?

You've definitely got something to show for your 20s, a marriage, a house and a successful career!