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TTC after MC - August 2020 (Thread 10)

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VP91x · 11/08/2020 08:47

Hey ladies ❤️

BFP list
@Hayleylou89
@1990EM
@Tink20058
@mumoftwobeauts
@DontStandSoClose
@peonyrose87
@Ejb86
@Girlmum83
@Dipsy77
@DBTJ
@SmileyT
@ManchNic
@Niisa
@fafi
@2020wish
@calimommy
@Rebecca1992
@Beesy90
@Pugprincess
@IWM20


@VP91x
@Runnergirl1
@Hayley19835
@Mommybear05
@HE88
@Rainbowhope11
@HopeForRainbowbaby
@Renna
@Diorissimo1985
@Rb486
@Wishingfornumber2
@Northernsoul90
@Sallyjo27
@Jazper
@littletandme
@MichT4
@Re6ecc4
@Bellabubble
@Lollol86
@Firevie
@stayinghopeful92x
@chloedancer897
@MrsK21
@LKMH
@CasperFlamingo
@Scrambledeggy
@Happyvibes
@Bl0ndi3
@Lemondropsandgumdrops

Update on me - there is no update 😂 CD20, not even a sniff of a positive OPK and no temp rise. Will have bloods done in the next couple of days. Gynae appt on 16th Sept is the plan xx

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Lollol86 · 13/08/2020 17:02

@MichT4 I would definitely arrange a video call you have nothing to loose.
I was doing a lot of research yesterday about false positives and apparently it is really rare, like @VP91x said it's usually caused by chemicals. I can't wait for an update tomorrow and really praying it is a positive xx

VP91x · 13/08/2020 17:05

@MichT4 is that through Babylon? We keep getting like flashes of heavy rain then it goes again xx

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MichT4 · 13/08/2020 17:09

@VP91x no ours is Aviva. They are really good. I've done it a couple of times just for out of hours.

@Lollol86 I hope so too, but for now I need to pack! Literally staring at the rain and the few piles of clothes on the floor 😂😂 xx

MichT4 · 13/08/2020 17:12

Wow so my doctor just called back. She said she had spoken to the one who had referred me for tests and decided to write to the gyno for advice. If they advise it she will write me the prescription to pick up somewhere near me. How fab is that?

Let's just hope it's a positive now, but even if it isn't, to know it's there waiting for me is great! xx

VP91x · 13/08/2020 17:12

@MichT4 oh that's good, yeah Bupa is similar but they linked up with the Babylon service so you get the GP service through there. Pity I got it after I started having all my problems otherwise I would have been referred privately. So annoying isn't it! Xx

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VP91x · 13/08/2020 17:14

@MichT4 omg, that's so good!! Brilliant stuff xx

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MrsK21 · 13/08/2020 17:22

@MichT4 so pleased you've got somewhere with the doctor, now keeping fingers crossed for a clear BFP for you tomorrow morning :D what a fab start to your holiday that will be!

@VP91x I've got the Babylon GP through work too, are they any good? Just wondering now if I shouldv'e used them rather than attempting to get past my dragon receptionist at my actual GP each time!

Northernsoul90 · 13/08/2020 17:23

@MichT4 That's great news! Xx

MichT4 · 13/08/2020 17:26

@VP91x can you not try and get referred anyway? Just describe it in another way and they'll never know, surely? Is this with your new job?

@MrsK21 thank you 🤞🏼. If not, 🥂🥂🥂!!
The thing is, you forget it's there. But I've always found Aviva really good. I hate that it's a video 🙄 but actually it does make it feel more personal. Prescriptions are there in seconds and apart from the fact they are more expensive, it's so easy.

So I've currently got out my stuff and it fills the whole case. Wonder what OH will say when I present him with a small hold all for his stuff 😂😂

2020wish · 13/08/2020 17:32

I understand the false positives but like the others have said I believe If they have colour in them then they are chemicals. A lot of chemicals can appear one day and disappear the next. There is a good article on explaining that false positives are a lie unless it’s a fake test(like the fake frers being sold on amazon) and proves that unfortunately it’s chemicals people are picking up when using really sensitive tests as is only ever seems to happen when using sensitive tests( thus giving certain branded tests like Sainsbury’s sensitive ones a bad name because women didn’t realise there was such a thing as a chemical) An evap is a grey water line. I’ll search the article now and link it

1990EM · 13/08/2020 17:32

@MichT4 that's so good, nice to see a Dr going the extra mile! Some of them aren't too bad after all! It also means that the way will be cleared for you to get the prescription quicker with fewer obstacles next time even if this is a false positive. Which I'm hoping is not the case! Looking forward to a nice undeniable BFP tomorrow! X

MichT4 · 13/08/2020 17:37

@1990EM @2020wish thank you.

I've said it before but can't say it enough, you ladies are so lovely. It's so comforting knowing you are there and are full of support no matter what. Whatever happens with this testing malarkey, I am so grateful for you all. I never thought I'd find such great friends out of such a sad situation 🥰🥰

xx

2020wish · 13/08/2020 17:39

I can’t get the link but this is the article copied and pasted from another thread and a lady posted. I have the official link somewhere so I’ll keep looking

Hello everyone I get really annoyed when I read all these articles and comments about 'evaporation lines' on home pregnancy tests, and especially, when such comments or articles are said to be written by so-called 'experts' or 'clinicians', and which seem to leave a large number of women with all sorts of doubts and anxieties about test-results. So I thought I would sit and write a few facts about various similar tests. I am a clinician and I also have much experience using various tests within laboratories or clinical settings. I have also been trained in the medical micro-biology (lab-testing).

The home pregnancy tests are 'assay' tests which rely on specific reactions between chemicals, to produce coloured lines. The 'control' lines of the home pregnancy tests are assayed areas which are designed to react with specific chemicals commonly found in urine, and which, when detected, react with the chemicals in the control-line assays (strips/areas) and turn them a certain colour (pink or blue depending on the test used). However, the 'pregnancy' assay (test -area/strip) is designed to change colour only if it comes into contact with the HCG hormone – the 'pregnancy' hormone. HCG is only produced when an egg has been fertilised. So then, if no conception has occurred, then no HCG will be produced by the body, and therefore, no HCG will ever be found in the urine.

Moving on... sometimes fertilisation occurs and HCG is produced for a while, but for some reason, the body detects that the pregnancy will not be successful (not 'viable') and the fertilised egg ceases to continue to divide and develop. So the pregnancy stops. However, until the pregnancy stops, the woman will still be producing HCG, and may well have some of the other 'usual' symptoms of pregnancy (though some women have absolutely no symptoms for a considerable period of time), and; although the pregnancy may have stopped almost as soon as it began; it may still take a couple weeks or so for all the HCG in the body to be disposed-of via the urinary system. Also, it may still take a couple weeks or so for the 'symptoms of pregnancy' to stop altogether. This process of fertilisation, followed by a very early termination is known as a 'chemical pregnancy', and many women can have these, whereby the woman is sure she is pregnant, but then she later has a period – even though a home pregnancy test might have shown a faint or clear line in the first couple weeks or so – and hence is why some women are left wondering why their period returned.

So for those women whereby, unfortunately, fertilisation has occurred, but the pregnancy was not viable, they were pregnant, but the pregnancy stopped. However, for those women whose egg(s) is fertilised, and for whom the pregnancy continues, then they will continue to produce HCG from the moment of fertilisation, and, those levels of HCG will rise over the coming weeks, and will, at some stage, be readily detectable either by home pregnancy tests, or by blood tests via their local Doctor or Clinic.

So then, back to home pregnancy tests ….. I have already said that the control lines react to molecules found within normal urine, and, when those molecules pass over those control-line areas (control 'assay' areas) then the molecules come into contact with other molecules within the control assay and they bind together. Indeed, they are attracted to each other by a process known as 'chemotaxis'. And on contact, two different molecules form a 'complex' which changes both it's shape and it's colour – hence the coloured control lines you see in the test areas. However, if the right molecules are not present in the urine, then no other molecules can bind to the control molecules – and no colouration will occur – so the test will be 'void' – and another test should be done.

However, in the event of carrying out a test – and the control lines change colour as they should, then the woman or couple is anxiously waiting (if they wish to have a baby that is) for the 'positive' or 'pregnancy' line to change colour too! And here is where we need to get onto the subject of the 'faint' lines and the 'evaporation' lines that people keep talking about. Going back to the test-strip; the 'pregnancy' line contains different molecules to the molecules of the 'control' lines; and the molecules in the pregnancy line/strip (the pregnancy test-assay) will only react – and change colour – in the presence of one other molecule; and that is the HCG hormone. No other molecule or hormone will cause it to change colour.

Changing the subject slightly, if we take a pure white tissue and add one drop of water onto it, the area of the tissue containing the water will now have turned slightly 'grey' – because it's wet. But it wont turn pink or blue. So if we carry out a home pregnancy test and the control lines are pink or blue (depending on the test you use), but the 'pregnancy' strip remains white or slightly grey – even hours after the test – then there has been no HCG detected in the urine, to mix with the pregnancy-strip molecules and to make them change colour (which is what you will be hoping for). So if the strip remains white or slightly grey – no matter how many hours or days after you did the test - then the strip is simply wet from the urine, but it does not contain any HCG. So, either you are not pregnant, or, if your period has stopped, then you may still be pregnant but your HCG is so low that it cannot yet be detected by the test.

However, if you do a test and you get the faintest coloured line in the 'pregnancy' test-strip/assay area on the test, then HCG has definitely been detected. If it's faint, then HCG is present in very low concentration, and if it is a dark coloured line, then the concentration of HCG is higher. But whatever the concentrations, provided you get a colour in he 'pregnancy' area, then you are pregnant at the time of testing.

And now for the famous 'evaporation lines' that so many people – and 'experts' talk about. To start-with, no evaporation line will be coloured (pink or blue etc. depending on the test you used). Only the HCG can combine with the pregnancy-assay molecules and bring about a colour-change. So if the line is coloured – no matter how faint the line is – then HCG made the line change colour – nothing else! However, just like the wet tissue-paper we talked about earlier, if the area is simply wet with urine, the pregnancy strip may possibly turn a little 'grey' – like a 'shadowy' colour; but if there is no pink or blue colour, then no HCG has been detected. However, remember that the area of the test-stick that you 'wee' on is made of a very dense material, and urine will be absorbed by this dense material and will travel along the test-stick by 'passive-diffusion'.

And liquids like to move from an area of their high concentration – to an area of their low concentration, so, because the test-stick is sealed and dry, the urine will travel along it – to it's other end – and may 'drip-out' inside the sealed area of the stick (the bit after the test and control areas that you cannot see). So the urine will keep moving until the end that you 'wee'd' on has no more urine to offer! Then the 'concentration gradient' ceases and the 'diffusion' will stop. And in most cases, test-sticks – especially those with caps on – can stay wet for days! So if you go back to the stick an hour, or two, or three or four hours etc after the test; and the 'pregnancy' strip has changed colour (pink or blue depending on the test etc), then, whilst the urine has spent several hours travelling up the stick from one end to it's other – and 'dripping out at the other end – the urine has been passing over the 'pregnancy' area all the while.

Therefore, even if the HCG levels are virtually undetectable (but present in minute quantities), as the urine travels over the pregnancy-assay, the HCG will still be attracted-to (remember the 'chemotaxis' we talked about earlier) and will bind with the molecules in the pregnancy-assay – hence a positive coloured line showing up to several hours after the test was done. Like I said, no other molecule or hormone will make the pregnancy-assay change colour – except HCG. So, if after an hour, or several hours, you have a coloured line in any way, then HCG has been detected – and HCG can only be found in your urine if an egg has been fertilised.

So let's not have any more if this 'evaporation line' confusion. If it's slightly grey or remains white – however long after the test you look - then no HCG is present. But if it 's coloured – then HCG is present – in whatever concentration – because only HCG can bring about the colouration of pink/blue, depending on the test you are using. And finally, some tests don't dry out for days – sometimes many days (especially those that you put the caps back on) - so the water-content of the urea has not even evaporated – yet people still go on about 'evaporation lines' – which, in my opinion, is nonsense. And for the record, my Wife's test had a coloured line several hours after we did the test – and I knew she was pregnant – despite the articles I read on the internet about evaporation lines.

And indeed, the next tests proved that she was. I am critically aware of the intense emotions involved when people are hoping or trying to become pregnant - and I hate to think of the emotional heartache and anxieties that these mixed or uncertain test-results can cause - hence the reason for taking the time to write this short article. I hope it helps, and feedback - whether positive or otherwise - is always useful. Take care - and lots of baby-dust - to all prospective Mums-n-Dads

2020wish · 13/08/2020 17:48

And just to point out I’m sure all u girls remember I took my pregnancy test 4 weeks ago and after waiting ten mins it was negative... and when I went back to it hours later there was a blue second line... and I posted here. And now I’ve seen a viable heart beat. So as the article says, regardless of how long u leave the test and if it has any hint of colour in the test line it means hcg was detected :) @MichT4 I really hope this progresses for u!!! Attached my test that was clearly negative when I took it and ended up turning positive hours upon hours later :)

TTC after MC - August 2020 (Thread 10)
Lollol86 · 13/08/2020 17:52

@MichT4 that's amazing, you have such good doctors. I feel the same, all you girls have for me through my mc, crazy that we've all found friendship in complete strangers.

Lollol86 · 13/08/2020 17:53

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MichT4 · 13/08/2020 17:53

Thank you @2020wish 🥰
I'll be keeping everything crossed it's good news tomorrow 🤞🏼🤞🏼
But, if it's not, I'm off on holiday and can shut myself away getting drunk for a week 😂😂

Now I need to decide whether to tell OH what's occurred today or just wait til tomorrow xx

1990EM · 13/08/2020 17:54

@2020wish such a good article!!

2020wish · 13/08/2020 17:58

@MichT4 well that’s it. I’ve faith it will get stronger over the next few days. But if it doesn’t (worst case silver lining), I would record it as a chemical to ur doctor and hopefully it pushes them to take u a bit more serious and help u get answers or help: speak to them again about aspirin x

@1990EM it is! So informative and helpful

chloedancer897 · 13/08/2020 18:00

I'm so pleased for you @MichT4 you deserve this. Remind me again of your story and what you tried this month?xx

HappyVibes · 13/08/2020 18:01

@MichT4 yes yes yes, I see the line girl! So happy you called the GP and they’re being so helpful and supportive. Fingers crossed for you. Either way you’ve got a fab weekend ahead of you 😊 Have a lovely weekend doll.

Just going to order the calc Fluor now ready for my TWW.

Have we any testers for over the weekend period hehehe I love this stage!?

Xxxxx

MichT4 · 13/08/2020 18:14

Thank you @HappyVibes I can't wait to get away, although the weather would take a turn just before. Not that I care, just be nice to have a change of scenery.
Like you say, either way I've got to count my blessings ☺️

Thank you @chloedancer897 though I'm taking tentative good wishes at this stage as I'm worried my bubble will be burst. But still, we must assume positive things.
I had my first MC (first pregnancy) in March, sort of TTC straight away but didn't track anything for the first 3 cycles. 4th cycle I started OPKs and fell pregnant early July. I had very long cycles and on that last one I almost gave up hope of ovulating but I had a second peak on OPKs and thankfully was still POAS. I had another MC then and this is my first cycle since.
In terms of taking stuff, I haven't really changed anything. I think I added some extra Vit D (@2020wish recommendation I think) and I fought through the gags of 100% Pom juice. I toyed with aspirin on and off (75mg) because I kept changing my mind if I should or not 😂. Other than that I take pregnacare, coq-10 and omega 3. Oh and calc Fluor.
I think having awareness on what my body is doing helps, as for all I know I might not have ovulated those first few cycles after the first one. The main thing I think that has hugely helped me this time, regardless of the test result, is I've shifted my focus slightly. Everything was about TTC before, not helped by lockdown after MC1, but this time we have booked things, gone away for a night, socialised more and of course decided to buy the puppy 🥰. I think that's helped more than I know. Like I said, whatever the outcome, this cycle has been so much easier. DTD wasn't forced, we did it when we wanted to, with an eye on ovulation, but I got about 3 peaks again so it was difficult to keep up. We just went with the flow, but doing things away from TTC was so refreshing xx

MichT4 · 13/08/2020 18:16

Also @chloedancer897 for mindset, it helped that I had blood tests lined up. As whatever happens this cycle I know that I'll either get the BFP or I'll start some tests. That was comforting and made the cycle much less pressured, because either was and is ok with me

Northernsoul90 · 13/08/2020 18:17

I agree so much it's so nice to have such a lovely, supportive group of women to advise each other and give support/laughs 🥰. I don't know how I would have got through my mc without having you all here to understand my feelings and listen to my worries.

On that note 😂 I've been having mild to moderate cramping today like period pains although my period stopped 2 days ago. Has anyone got any guesses what it could be or experienced it before?

Pugprincess · 13/08/2020 18:19

@2020wish I agree with that article. I could see faint lines on mine, I know you ladies couldn’t always see them but I was sure I could. I got frustrated with the evap lines thing because as I’ve said before I’ve done a lot of tests and never ever had a second line even faintly after minutes or hours. So for me personally I just felt something was happening. I think you just know what’s normal for you don’t you. My photo is from 6th August-a week ago today, so I would have only been 10dpo. X

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