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TTC for 10 months and the rest. Ten plussers welcome. Thread 2.

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lucieloos · 07/10/2015 11:21

We have been so busy chatting I've started a new thread. Welcome all 10+ ladies. Hope we all have some luck on this thread.

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Itsme247 · 29/11/2015 21:08

Sorry to hear the news Sammy x

Pikz · 29/11/2015 21:25

Hey Sammy

Mainly upping my protein massively, cutting out sugar as much as I could (odd treat but very little else) and halving my carb portions and trying to have at least one meal a day carb free.

I changed breakfasts to yoghurt, raw oatbran and maybe a few raspberries with a black coffee for example

Massive salad with chicken for lunch

Fish/meat with just veg

Tons of water through the day.

I first realised how much the sugar and carbs affected me when I was ttc DS and I went on the dukan diet ( carb free) and obviously had medical help but I think going on the diet and losing weight (not tons 5/6lbs) and the low sugar carb definitely helped. Did the same after my surgeries this time and although it took a bit longer I think the diet and cq10 definitely helped

loopylou1984 · 30/11/2015 07:59

Thanks Pikz. I've picked a great time of year to attempt this haven't I? Upping protein is a challenge for me, I really struggle. Am going to give it my best shot though, anything to help. How much cq10 do you take?

I'm dreading making the call to the clinic today :( Xx

Trixietwenty16 · 30/11/2015 15:06

Have you made the call Sammy? Hope it was ok, it's a horrible call to have to make.
I suffer really badly from cold hands and feet, I got these slippers from Amazon that you put in the microwave to warm up and they are amazing! Lovely warm feet here now.

So I just had a call from my clinic as my blood test results are back. I had a clotting and antibodies one which were both ok but my NK test came back at 15% and apparently they like to see it under 10%...they want to wait and see what my biopsy results are (should take another week or two) and then we'll have to go to the clinic for a meeting. The Dr. mentioned intralipids and when I asked about conceiving naturally he said it was still possible.

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lucieloos · 30/11/2015 15:36

That's very interesting trixie! I really think intralipids might do the trick for you. I haven't been tested but I think mine will be raised because of the hidden infection. I would definitely push to use them on your next transfer. Although not sure they do them on the NHS so maybe ask your private clinic if they would be able to do it for you.

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Trixietwenty16 · 30/11/2015 16:28

I just feel a bit wary of intralipids for some reason, I'm not sure why. My clinic definitely do them which is good. It feels like a relief in a way to maybe have a reason why it hasn't happened but I had prednisolone for both IVF cycles so surely if that was the problem the prednisolone would have done the trick. Maybe I would have a higher dose with my next cycle as well as intralipids. Will be interesting to see what my biopsy results are like.
Will have to then have another chat with DH about whether to have another FET before our NHS go - funds are running very low after having the tests though. And to be honest I think we would rather wait until the Spring anyway. I wonder if the clinic will do the intralipids/pred while we are trying naturally.

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lucieloos · 30/11/2015 16:49

I don't think prednisone alone is enough to suppress some immune issues. I would go for the whole hog. My clinic have told me intralipids won't do any harm even if they don't work. I've never heard of intralipids or pred being used whilst trying naturally. Hopefully you can get started with the NHS quite quickly and then you can save the private attempts incase that one doesn't work.

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loopylou1984 · 30/11/2015 18:10

Yes I made the call, I actually got the answer phone and my favourite nurse called back. She seemed as disappointed as us. I still have to test on Wednesday in case I am one of those miracle people who continue to get periods through pregnancy! Then when I call in to say it was negative they will review our case at the meeting Wednesday afternoon.

She asked if there was anything I particularly wanted discussed and I said I was worried about my lining. She looked it up and turns out it was 6.9 on day of transfer so she said that was more than fine. I mentioned that lots of studies seem to say 8mm was optimal and she said that used to be their cut off and that they changed it following lots of studies that showed 6.5 was fine. Anyway, she's going to highlight it and see what the consultant says.

Interestingly I got a copy of our referral letter for nhs in the post and it has all our test results on it. My AMH with the private clinic was 19 and a few months later with the Nhs is 25.4???
Even more interestingly my lining thickness on cd15 at my nhs ultrasound was only 5.7mm so it obviously doesn't always reach 6.9.

Wow this is a long post, sorry girls. I'm still very sad, but the hormone fog is lifting and I just want to make a plan now.

Trixie - how much did the NK test cost of you don't mind me asking? Xx

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lucieloos · 30/11/2015 18:53

Hi Sammy, I'm glad the hormone fog is lifting and it's good to see you looking to make a plan already. I don't buy that about the lining, I've done so much research this past year and I've never come across anything that says a 6.5mm lining has the same chance of success as those 8mm+. I would be asking for whatever they've got to thicken it up a bit more next time even if they think it's ok. I really think that's what the problem has been for you naturally and it's really positive if something is identified as you then have an idea of what to do rather than be unexplained. Amh levels can vary from one test to another. I don't think it's an exact science but it just gives them an idea about how you will respond.

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Trixietwenty16 · 30/11/2015 19:12

Great that your meeting is soon Sammy, will be interesting to see what the Consultant says. How odd that your AMH went up...I thought it was something that slowly went down over time. Maybe it is different if you have it taken on different cycle days. Glad that the hormone fog is lifting, I am a big believer in making a plan. The NK blood test was £300.00 at my clinic, the biopsy was more, I guess because it is harder to take and it has to be sent to the USA. We decided to do both as apparently you can have high NK overall but not have high NK endometrial cells and vice versa. Will be interesting to see what my biopsy reveals.

loopylou1984 · 30/11/2015 22:12

Yes, when should you get those Trixie?

Lucie - yeah that's what I thought after hearing from you and some others about the 8mm optimum. But I can't think of a reason why the clinic would lower it? They want their success rates to be as good as possible and having it higher would surely reduce that? Xx

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lucieloos · 30/11/2015 22:20

I don't know Sammy, you got to just go with what you feel is right and do your own research. If you are happy with what they've said then go with it again. I have never known any doctors say that a 6.5mm lining doesn't matter but I'm no expert just trying to help x

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loopylou1984 · 30/11/2015 22:27

And I really appreciate all your advice, I feel like I know nothing!

I'll see what they say, hopefully they'll advise something to help thicken it anyway, it can't hurt.

I don't know what I'd do without these threads, you girls are my life line. Xx

loopylou1984 · 30/11/2015 22:27

My previous post should have read 'having it lower would reduce that' Xx

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lucieloos · 30/11/2015 22:38

Yes hopefully they can advise something new to try next time as this whole thing relies on trial and error. Will you try again privately or wait for your NHS now?

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loopylou1984 · 01/12/2015 06:33

I think we'll do one more private as the nhs won't let us use our frosties, we have to start again completely. Xx

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lucieloos · 01/12/2015 07:07

Yes it's a pain having to start over again but you could do like trixie and I are hoping to do and start the NHS and if it works then save the frosties for a sibling.

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loopylou1984 · 01/12/2015 07:32

The thing is I was so ill after my last egg collection that I'm worried about it happening again. Dh and I need to talk about it properly, but at the moment I'm thinking one more private then if that doesn't work use the nhs go. Xx

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lucieloos · 01/12/2015 07:38

Yes that sounds good Sammy. You will still have 3 frosties left then. Fingers crossed it works for you next time and you don't have to have anymore collections.

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Pikz · 01/12/2015 11:04

400mg Sammy. I used two of the 200 every day.

To be fair they are a good thing to take for overall energy, my mum takes them and I might go back on them after pregnancy.

How you feeling today?

Trixie and Lucie you are right 2016 is going to be your year... It is

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lucieloos · 01/12/2015 12:05

I take them too. I take 300mg of ubiquinol or 600mg of ubiquinone.

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Trixietwenty16 · 01/12/2015 13:29

I should have the biopsy results back within the next week or two, it will take slightly longer than usual as it was Thanksgiving last week. I've just ordered a book on Amazon about immunology so I can be clued up before my appointment at the clinic....been googling NK cells a bit too and it's all pretty confusing.

I'm pretty sure my clinic look for lining to be over 8mm for transfer. Sounds like a good plan Sammy!

star1980 · 02/12/2015 10:30

Thanks for the info trixie. I thought NK cells affected the viability of a pregnancy but not your chance of getting pregnant? Hopefully you'll get some helpful advice at your appointment. Good luck for the biopsy result.

Sammy, good luck with the clinic today too.

You guys seem to be having nhs and private treatment at the same time. How does that work? I got referred in October and have my scan and blood tests next week, then I imagine I'll have to wait at least a few weeks for an appointment. I'm trying to stay positive but have pretty much lost hope of conceiving naturally so all the waiting is driving me insane. Do you think there's any point booking a private consultation while waiting for the nhs appt? Could they refuse me nhs treatment if I do?

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lucieloos · 02/12/2015 10:37

Hi star, you can have a private appt to talk about your issues and see what they recommend for you that won't affect anything. In my circumstances I can only have one private IVF before it starts affecting how many attempts I get on the NHS. Im having treatment abroad though so there is no way for the NHS to know how many attempts I've had. Although I know plenty of women on here who have had several private attempts in the uk and gone on to have their full quota of NHS as well as the private uk clinics are not meant to disclose any information to NHS without your consent.

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star1980 · 02/12/2015 11:41

Thank you Lucie. I might just do it then after I've had the scan. That way I won't need to pay for blood tests and scans privately but just get their opinion on the results.

Ah yes, youre having treatment in Czech republic? Have you had a cycle there already? When do you go again?

I don't know much about ivf and am obviously hoping I won't need it. 5 years ago a scan showed a fibroid and cysts on my ovaries, but blood tests don't indicate pcos (I don't think) but I'm desperate for a specialist to take a look at what's going on in there!

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