Candle smugglers of the world unite! The Berries have loaded up the charabanc and have Barry on repeat. Destination BFP (via the pouch of Douglas)

[happylass]

The small print:

The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy

Current passengers

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSIs. Hopefully FET early May with only frostie. Long awaited NHS appt in June
Beaky 35, ttc coming up 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1x long protocol ivf cancelled due to poor response. On the pill awaiting short protocol IVF in may
Minx, 34, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF info evening June, IVF "booking in" appointment in July
Nolly, 33, TTC 2.7 years, mc Dec 2014. awaiting ivf August 2015 while dh is off on a jolly.
Wild 40 - TTC for three years. Embies on ice and planning FET with immune treatment in June.
HampshireBlues 36 TTC 3.5 years, unexplained. Cycle 1 chemical pregnancy, cycle 2 abandoned due to cyst, cycle 3 failed. Plan thrombotic profile, scratch and short protocol.
Lumen, 35, ttc since Nov 2011, unexplained, two IVF cycles in 2014, both bfns, waiting for lap&dye and results of numerous bloods, aiming for one last IVF cycle in the summer.
Tigerdog, 34 ttc since Jan 2013. Unexplained and all test results good. Currently in the middle of long protocol IVF, 13 eggs collected and awaiting news for next steps.
Gillster, 41, TTC since Feb 2012. Had IVF in Feb 14 and had 6 one cell embies frozen due to polyp. 2 x 2 day embies finally put back 14 months later on 16th April, BFP 28th April
Smidge, 39 this month, TTC since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cells immune treatment. 2 frosties due to be put back in natural FET in May or June.
Kuma - 40. TTC 2.5 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15. Looking to change clinic and try another natural cycle in June 2015.
Lucieloos, 35, TTC 18 months, low AMH & sperm motility. 1st ICSI in Czech Republic in April 2015. Awaiting results.
Barkingtreefrog, 35, ttc since Dec 2011. Clomid bfp summer 2013, mc @ 7 weeks. IUI bfp summer 2014, mc @ 7 weeks. Diagnosed with factor v leiden thrombophilia (but
not thought to be the cause of the mc's as they were too early). Failed IUI January 2015, failed IVF March 2015. No further NHS help. Going private for nk cells testing and a scratch before putting the frosties back, hopefully this summer.
Rain, 33 ttc since March 2012. unexplained. mystery bfp oct 13, MMC Nov 13. NHS IVF starting in June
Spare planning FET with remaining frosties shortly
Pont 1st IVF in Czech Republic in July.

So sorry to hear that news Lucie. You must be disappointed. Have you been in touch with your doctor to ask what might have happened? Are the follies smaller than at the last scan or just haven't grown as much as might be hoped at this point? If you had ovulated early what would happen to the other follies - as I understand it once you have ovulated the other follicles get absorbed back into the body, but maybe not always. What does your doctor say? I'm not sure which day of stims you are now but just remember that these follicles can change quite quickly and surprise you for good and ill.

DH's birthday cake seems to have turned out ok, despite my going off on my own track with the invented Ameretto/ orange sauce. I've sampled a bit which was stuck to the plate and it tasted good. It's now been slathered with ganache and looks yummy. Hope it makes up a bit for the blow DH received when they said at ET that there should be no sex during the 2ww. The look on his face was priceless, especially when he realised his birthday fell during that time. How I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Can't believe we're already on the last page of the thread!

WildflowerMarmalade: 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Oh Lucie that must be very disappointing. I'm not sure I know the answer. I can say that I've had scans where measurements change from one scan to the next two days later (I mean reducing in size!), and my doc wasn't concerned and just said it happens - can be the sonographer /machine/ just the angle they get to measure them at. However, do have some disappear sounds unusual. I would have thought if you had ovulated, then only one follicle would have gone though?

I've checked my short protocol cycle and I started taking cetrotide on day 5 of stimms. I was having frequent blood tests and they showed my LH still started to rise and I had to trigger earlier than ideal, and had to have a second dose of cetrotide on that (trigger) day, which was just day 9.

So it is definitely possible for LH to still rise despite the cetrotide. For the next two cycles I was put on long protocol so there wouldn't be an issue with LH. But who's to say I couldn't have done short protocol again, but maybe with starting cetrotide earlier - or at a higher dose?.

Thanks wild and smidge. I don't think there's any hope for this cycle now to be honest. It's not just a case of one or 2 being slightly different. Half have disappeared and the rest are all different sizes. These are my results on day 7 which I was fairly pleased with..

L: 16,12,11,9,6,
R: 12,12,9,8,6,6

And this is today's results (day 10)

L: 12,9,7
R: 15,11,8

Not good at all. The UK clinic said they would have out me on a higher dose of drugs more like 300-375 whereas I am on 250 at the moment. Just don't know what to think about it all or what to do next. Haven't heard back from czech clinic yet.

Yes, yes to what Smidge says about sizes changing depending on the angle the sonographer can get on the follies.

How is it going Smidge - any updates on the Crinone colour?

Cross-post Lucie. That's an interesting comment about the dose, maybe your body needed more hormones to keep feeding all those growing follicles. Have you been having blood test monitoring alongside the scans?

No they don't do bloods wild so haven't had anything like that x

Ah cross post Wild. I think you're right that after ovulation the others would get reabsorbed. Lucie I guess you'll have to speak to your specialist and see what they have to say. I've heard it said before that the first go is a test run to see how your body responds and then they have more knowledge to adjust your treatment plan accordingly....so even if worst case they do cancel this cycle, at least you can go into the next feeling better armed.

Wild your cake sounds fab! Though not sure it will make up for MrWild's lack of bedroom action . Mr Smidge is also getting grumpy on that score, as we've been told the same!

WildflowerMarmalade 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Minx 35 in August - TTC 2 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF booking in appt in July, hoping to start IVF soon after

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cell immune treatment. Natural FET in June '15, awaiting result.

Thanks smidge this is my second round though not my first

Lucie sorry you've had a disappointing scan. I hope you've managed to get in touch with Czech and get some guidance from them. 6 follies still seems like a viable cycle to me Are you able to get a second opinion? As others have said it's possible that the sonographer missed something. Was this at CRGW? With the nurse who told you to cancel the last cycle? Whilst it does seem that a few have disappeared, the ones you have left could be the smaller ones that have grown iyswim. Afaik they don't track individual follicles? I was told they just record them in order of size. Hope you get some answers soon
Any thoughts on a new title ladies or any requests? I've got as far as "Yo, yo calling all Ladybros over 30 TTC# 1. Come join the Berries....." And there endeth my inspiration. Need something about 'real Champagne from the Champagne region...' Will have a think at the gym.

WildflowerMarmalade 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Minx 35 in August - TTC 2 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF booking in appt in July, hoping to start IVF soon after

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cell immune treatment. Natural FET in June '15, awaiting result.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles and 1 failed FET. Hoping to start long awaited NHS cycles in late August provided pesky smear test is sorted by then.

Lucie I'm so sorry, and must be more frustrating with it being across two clinics as you can't get all the answers from the person in the room with you. Hope you get a response from the other clinic soon.

I'm on the phone app so can't copy, sorry.

barkingtreefrog 36, ttc 3.5 years. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. Currently awaiting nk cells results before a FET possibly in August/September.

I've heard back from the czech clinic who have not been very help. They said I could up my dose next time like UK clinic said but don't see it making much difference as I'm already on quite a high dose (250iu). There was no explanation of what happened to the follicles or suggestions for next time other than to go out there for the scans as well but that's not going to help anything.

Happy, yes it was at crgw but not with the one who told me to cancel but the other one that I like. I had Amanda do the first scan and she said all looked good but this time there is half the number there. Even if some of the smaller ones have grown it means a large percentage of the smaller ones have disappeared which I don't think looks good. It's just too expensive to risk carrying on with this cycle and more potential disappointment further down the line. I really don't know what to do next though. What dose of Menopur did they have you on happy?

I was on 375 of Menopur Lucie which I thought was a pretty hefty dose and was told that some clinics won't go that high. However at my NHS appointment the other week she said they would go up to 425 if necessary!

Just quickly popping on to say kuma I'm crossing everything for you, I really hope you get some progress tomorrow. Fx.

Lucie how strange, sorry you are having such a stress with this again. You could still go ahead with 6 follies though, that's still a good number or would you not want to?

Wild that cake sounds amazing! Save me a piece I know what you mean about the drugs getting you down, mine were only the cyclogest but i felt like I was getting thrush and they gave me a bad stomach too. I found I was much more stressed towards the end of the 2ww too. When are yours and Smidges otd? Smidge how are you feeling this time? Pompoms for you all.

Happy sounds good so far!

Minx mines the 23rd, is yours not the start of July? That would be hilarious. I often wonder if any FC staff read these forums, probably not I suppose, they wouldn't have the time!

Gennet Prague has a 4 month wait until the initial consultation. Cripes. Everything takes so unbelievably long with ttc! I have no patience at the moment esp since I'm not sleeping, I'm so crabbit!

I'll try and list my stats in a min too.

Sorry x posted there! Lucie I was on 450 of gonal f and that really is the max stims dose. I would feel very frustrated too. Have you thought of oestrogen priming? It apparently helps your follies to grow at a more even pace and you could start cetrotide earlier next cycle. I still think 6 follies is worth a shot fwiw.

Thanks happy, crgw told me around 300iu if I was cycling there so maybe I will try that next time. I'm not sure how long it's best to wait now until I can go again. I was hoping to start on my next AF but i know some say it's best to give the ovaries a rest?

Beaky, I would be happy with 6 follciles if they were a decent size bit to have all but 2 under 10mm on day 10 is not good.

Oh I don't know much about estrogen priming? Does that involve taking bcp?

WildflowerMarmalade 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Minx 35 in August - TTC 2 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF booking in appt in July, hoping to start IVF soon after

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cell immune treatment. Natural FET in June '15, awaiting result.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles and 1 failed FET. Hoping to start long awaited NHS cycles in late August provided pesky smear test is sorted by then.

Tigerdog, 34 (soon to be 35) TTC since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF#1 May 2015 resulted in a chemical pregnancy. Now transferring clinics in the hope of a second round of IVF on the NHS and considering an NK cells biopsy in July/August.

Will post more when we move to the new thread but just to say that Kuma I'm sorry to hear it wasn't better news, and everything crossed for and also for lucie - it all sounds very stressful, and I hope you get some answers.

Ladies we're off. Apologies if anyone's been missed off the list. Did my best on my phone. As I was typing Ivd realised Nollys not on there. Sorry Nols. Will give you a special mention
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/2411284-Yo-yo-Calling-all-Ladybros-over-30-TTC-1-Join-the-Berries-aboard-the-Charabanc-of-lurrrve-Bring-real-Champagne-from-the-actual-Champagne-region-No-Colombian-builders-allowed

Hi there, hope you don't mind me butting in but Antonia I had a laparoscopy & yes you do get some shoulder blade pain & it really makes you bloated so peppermint tea is brilliant for reducing the bloating & a warm wheat bag for shoulder. I also took arnica tablets which helped reduce the swelling & bruising. Hope everyone is ok. I'm having a bit of a catch up on here. Beaky I will try to fish out my Amh result as mine was v low, had successful IVF which ended in mc but subsequently got pg.X x

Thanks Bushy! I'm looking for any hope at the moment! Hope things are going well for you and good luck for a smooth and easy(!) delivery of bushlet!