The wheels on the February bus go round and round

[juneybean]

Ta da!

Thanks for the stats babybump you set a new high standard in organisation this month!:) it's so great to see them set out like this.

Sorry you're out, Mary, and thanks for being encouraging.

Maseface, I echo Babs: please come and join us! Babs, I'd love to see you around here more often (and not just because you have made me feel good about myself, like so many of the fab ladies here).

Rough, I am sorry you have been upset. How long have you been trying for a baby? Do you chart your temps? Long cycles are the pits.

I'm sorry for being way behind and posting in clusters. I agree with all the uni comments. I love, love, love learning and critical thought and research. Unfortunately you can't do any of that whilst drinking neat vodka. How I knocked out some first class essays I have no idea. Probably the amphetamine

Back soon. Off to heat some custard to have with my Jamaica ginger cake..

Thanks again for the words of support ladies.

Purdey I will stop 'Knicker Watch' (sounds like a programme that should be presented by Chris Packham, although I wouldn't really want him to be checking my pants). I hope you're right about AF turning up by itself; I really need the reassurance right now, so thank you.

Nomio, I'm back to work tomorrow, and my job will only allow me certain toilet breaks, so that will definitely help with the obsessing

Thanks for the stats babybump :)

You're all most welcome :) Still hoping for more BFP's but I think we're doing pretty good!

In other news, I'm using other things to focus my attention away from the TWW. Set up my new fish tank yesterday but stupidly cut a tube too short so I've had to order a replacement :( It's limping along anyway. It's a much bigger thank than my current one so it's take time to cycle (grow good bacteria). My fish are hopefully going to be really happy with it though :D

TWW wait wise. I don't have any symptoms. Have a stupid cold sore which makes me tired but that's it. I shouldn't be experiencing anything though until/unless I implant which isn't for about 7 more days on average so... we shall see!

Has anyone else told anyone they're TTC? I've told 2 people but haven't told either of my 2 "best" friends. One of them would be upset because it would mean I'm definitely not moving back to have kids, and the other because she and her new husband are going through a few life changes and she's talked about wanting to TTC late this year or next and I don't want to be a source of guilt if she gets pregnant before us and we've been trying for ages. Or perhaps it's easier to hide the jealousy if she gets pregnant first and doesn't know we were trying...

Finally got round to sorting the bastard truffles out and now I don't want to eat them. Such is life.

Sorry for today's BFNs :(

Definitely second you getting a blog Purdey

So naughty Eskimo step away from the tests! Wait a few more days lovely!

Oops forgot to attach chart to last post.

I like how there's an exercise line on your chart Juney. Interesting how the headaches always come after exercise though, thus proving it is definitely bad for you and why there is no exercise line on mine!

I don't do enough exercise!

thanks babybump

purdey we've been properly trying since July, I stopped the pill in September 2013. I've started charting my temp this cycle but kept forgetting to do it earlier in cycle so not a good chart! I've had treatment for CIN3 cells after an abnormal smear in December 2009 (I think) and I worry that this might have an impact. Also have irregular periods and used to get a lot of bleeding while on the pill - took a long time to find one that suited. I have a DS already who's 11, I bled through a big part of my pregnancy - think it's 'phantom periods' or something!

eskimo I love your Knicker Watch show (although I just typed Knocker Watch which would be very different. Although doing that too!)

Babs, thanks for your gorgeous stats charts. Your fish tank sounds fab but it is v v v v v annoying about that tube. That is exactly the kind of thing I would do. In fact, I opened a parcel the other day, knowing it was a new silk shirt dress inside, and in my haste with the scissors I actually cut the dress. I am devastated. I am an idiot. So...you keep fish..and I catch 'em. Yes! I'm an angler (coarse fishing only)! Does that mean we can't be mates?

What a complex-sounding set of reasons for not telling your bezzies about TTC. You are much more thoughtful than me; I tell everyone and don't give a thought to what they may be going through. I think that stems from my belief that there can't possibly be anyone in my peer group, of my age, who is struggling more than us: we are old; I have one fallopian tube; had a mmc; had to have donor egg IVF to have first baby. Perhaps that sounds narcissistic, but if anyone in my circle resented me becoming pregnant I'd kick them to the kerb. Of course, my yearning for a baby is nothing compared to that of a woman who is desperate for her first child, I just don't know anyone personally who is my age and trying for their first.

rough Maybe we should write to Chris Packham and Michaela Strachan and see if they're interested? Although I think that Knocker Watch would probably be on after the watershed, and suspect that someone like The Hoff may be a more suitable presenter

Implantation dip at 5dpo Juney?

I love that you all will be putting your family's first before work, my son definitely comes first. I had a year at home with DS and will take full maternity this time too. But I feel awful to admit it, but I wouldn't/couldn't be a SAHM. I like working full time, it's far more stimulating than being at home with a pre schooler - and a little easier. I could maybe drop to 30 hours but I couldn't put up with all the parenting constantly. I think people who look after children who aren't even their own every day must be saints (Juney). I hope I don't get burnt for saying this and I'm sorry I'm not a perfect mummy when some of you are desperate to get #1. But I just couldn't do it.

Juney! Could that be early implantation?? Could it?? COULD IT???

Rough, what the hell with all that bleeding in pregnancy and on the pill! Bizarre..and something the medical profession should have looked into, surely? What did the treatment for the abnormal cells involve? Lasering? Drugs? Did they reassure you re having further children? I am convinced that treatment would not affect your chances of conceiving.

Mummy, I could kiss you for that confessional. I am convinced the reason I am feeling so low at the moment is because of the guilt I feel around Nancy and the tedium of my days. I tried so very hard to have this baby and we've been blessed with a miracle, so why am I so desperately bored out of my skull?

mummy I could not be a SAHM either, as odd as that sounds! I quite like the fact my child will be socialised amongst older kids. I might even stick the kid in a nursery a few days a week...!

I don't know about the implantation dip...!!! Trying not to get hopes up....but a part of me is still all nah it's a waste of time (& money) it'll never work eek

Sorry catching up.

Babybump_ thanks for the stats as always. Very pretty!

We have told everyone in the family that we are trying. And a few friends none of whom are trying. I talk about ovulation with them and everything. We decided that we don't want to tell anyone until 12 weeks as we want DS to be the first to know but with friends at work knowing I'm in tww I have no idea how we will keep it to ourselves.

Purdey I felt so much happier when he started 3 days a week in nursery then a childminder a forth day. Then upped nursery to full time. I missed him terribly but I can't explain the relief I felt the first time I dropped him off and I went to college to develop myself and be someone other than Mum!

Purdey Using your advice from earlier "for ov to be confirmed by FF the first three temps after the nadir (dip) need to be higher than the previous six." I decided to play around a bit and see what happened. I still haven't seen a cover line so I was growing concerned my rocky temps ruined it.

So first I've attached my current graph. Based on the OPK +'s and the dip we (thanks guys :D) agreed I ov'd on CD22.

Then I discarded CD19 and was also going to discard CD16 so that they weren't higher than my most recent temps after what we think is my ovulation dip... BUT as soon as I discard 19 it pinpointed OV as CD17 (which I don't agree with). Even in this instance the 3 temps following the predicted OV are not higher than the previous 6..

Then I decided to try adding a temp for tomorrow. I also made sure this temp was above my "dip". Suddenly I had a cover line. I also tried changing the temp so it was higher than the dip, but under the coverline and it removed my OV prediction. As I've only got one pic left to attach I've attached the good one that shows OV.

I also tried changing the times on my last 2 so they were in my normal time of 7-7.30am (and thus removing the open circle) but it didn't make any change except solidify the circle.

So anyway, thought you might find this interesting and give some of you with rocky temps hope as well :D I'm excited for my temp tomorrow to give me an actual coverline instead of my manufactured one!

Completely agree mummy that I wouldn't want to be a SAHM as I think I would go loopy but would love to go part time. To be fair a big part of it for me is dislike of my current job, if I found the right job I might be happy to work full time. People at my work give everything to work though and their family don't seem to matter.

Evening everyone!

Thanks for the stats babybump. If we end up getting a few more bfps that will be 20% of the bus, proving the 20% chance of getting pg each cycle to be true!

purdey could you do a course at OU? Or another distance learning institute? There are loads of options now. Just with you saying being at uni would bring back bad memories. Maybe you could study at home.

I am being very patient in my 2ww [saintly emoticon] I had cramps at (what I think was) 5-6dpo. Not AF cramps but something different. No symptoms other than that. I think I am about 8/9 dpo now so I could test soon. The thing is, I have been taking b-complex and it might have lengthened my LP, so I don't actually know when AF/bfp is due. Nor do I know precisely when I ov'd. DH wants me to wait until next weekend! I have frers in my drawer so I doubt I can wait that long...

There is definitely a balance. Where I live I a Council estate in a tiny village from the Stone Age. The men earn the money and the women stay at home. When we first spoke about TTC DP asked if when we have a baby I would be quoting my job til he/she was 5 - I couldn't imagine anything worse. If we had twins I know we couldn't afford the childcare and it would really pain me to stay home and would plummet into pnd without a doubt. I like my job and having adult conversations with someone outside of home. But not matter how late notice the school arranged a parent assembly or Christmas singing show (we had less than a weeks notice) I always try to be there. I go to each nativity (afternoon & evening show) so he always has someone in the audience and tears fill me eyes be my heart bursts with pride. But I just couldn't stay at home.

Awful typos there - can't begin to correct them all - sorry should proof read.

Baby, yes I used to muck about with my charts like that, too! I like the one where you keep your temps as they were. FF will give you your crosshairs tomorrow for sure, but I really wouldn't change or discard a temp just so you can 'beat the system'; you end up doing it every cycle and defeating the object of charting.

Miss, I have considered this but my stomach lurches at the thought of doing assignments sober or not on speed. I know how absurd that sounds. I'm just a coward. I also want to prove to myself that motherhood really is the most scintillating and defining thing a woman can do; not succeeding in a career

Mummy, thanks again for being candid. My heart bursts, too, when I look at Nancy and watch her growing and learning, but the sameness of the days...it's killing me. Your job satisfaction is lovely to read about. Can you disclose the type of work you do? Are your colleagues great? I live on a council estate too! I live on a lovely cul-de-sac with octogenarians who I cook for on a rota basis. One of them is 95, called Doris, and when I took Nancy to meet her after she was born I said, 'Here you are, Doris, here's my baby!' 'Ooo! What's it called?' 'Nancy, Doris, she's called Nancy.' 'Ooo! Summat fancy!'