Immune/natural killer cell treatment when TTC or pregnant (aka the 14th pred thread)

[sunnyday01]

Continuing from 13th thread

No no kids, she's been through a really awful breakup so knows how life can sometimes be shit. Although its obv totally diff. But as she's nowhere close to ttc she doesn't really get it. she once told
Me a story of a woman who had 5 failed ivf?! I wanted to scream why r u telling me this story!? But instead ate my sushi!

Yes I imagine a baby. Also in my lougue, my DH holding them, them in his lap etc. but for some reason the preg part doesn't seem to feature? I sometimes imagine telling
People I'm 20 weeks preg. but in those thoughts i dont actually look preg? (Do I sound mad!).

Oh rosa I've noticed ur always saying how u will be 39, and how u will be 40. For now ur 38. (I can understand the time pressure must so though, but u got to keep postive and stop adding years on!) loads
Of Women on the old pred threads were in their late 30s and 40s. Our very hope is an example! u are 38. Full stop!

I'm going to take the pred for 5/6 days I think. That's what I've decided for now. I'll Prob change my Mind tmrw!

Me Too on the spelling! It's the iPhone. I promise I can spell in RL?!

No you don't sound mad at all!

Good luck with the pred )or whatever you decide) xxx

Glad you enjoyed your spa day trying.

That's really interesting about the pulses and accupunture, I just can't afford accu on top of all the other costs at the moment. However I definitely think positive visualisation can work, this time round both me and dh talked to eggs/sperm beforehand then when on the two week wait I would talk to them about embedding g etc - who knows if it actually meant anything but we did get the bfp - obv so didn't talk enough about staying in there. Maybe I shoukd also start thinking about the nk cells not being so aggressive?!

I'm going back to work today, I'm still bleeding a bit (just period like now) but I need to get back to normality after 3 horrible days. I think I can deal with people asking me if I had a nice weekend without bawling my eyes out and I'm going to take myself off at lunch to my favourite place to get lunch and treat myself.

All my close friends know what is going on with me, I think a lot of them don't know what to say esp as they have had babies quite easily with no real issues. I may not always tell them exactly how I'm feeling but I have found it helps to talk about it too them and also I can talk quite freely about it without getting too upset.

Your def not mad trying as I said reading the zita west and been visualising as much as poss but like you no bump :-( unsure why as have had a term baby so know what I look like but can't visualise it in my thought process?
Hypnotherapy sounds like a good thing to try , maybe that's one for after I have given acupuncture a good shot.
So many things to try I may go through the lot! Safely say reflexology and nasty herb from weird mans garden didn't work (Indian Canadian and boiling jeeps in spring water for 90mins and leaving me with something like mud that you drink, gag and swallow) xx

Sunny good luck with being back hope it helps get u back to the RL.
And u too determined. My first miscariage I was on holiday-I rem thinking god I flew out preg and I'm flying out not. The whole world of RM has really made me think how our lives can change from one minute to another and u just don't know wots in store.
I visualised last night and this am!

are you ov this week trying? i guess due to my mc our cycles won't be so in sync anymore!

It really is funny how your life can change so quickly - i said to DH this morning that the last week has felt like a dream. Also did a test this morning and it came up negative so definitely over for me this time.

Back at my desk now - feeling ok and actually looking forward to thinking about something else after the ladt 3 days of non stop talking/crying/mentaling about pregnancy and miscarriage. I am keen to make the most of my month/6 weeks off and really crack on with the gym and weight loss again which i sort of stopped when i found out.

Which ZW book are you reading Dildoos? I borrowed one on assisted conception from my reflexology lady.

Glad you are ok today and trying to get back to normal sunny. It's hard but I find its the best thing too.

I'm the same re diet and fitness! I got to the gym a couple of weeks in dec after mc 3 and then xmas happened and then new years day my resolutions had to get revised so it all starts tomorrow! Pretty bad really for a qualified PT! I'm actually really excited to get back to it!

Hope ur day goes ok sunny. Well done for getting back into the swing of things. Hope ur ok. U will get there in the end sunny. Yep ovulation imminent!
Ah a PT- ur those mean people who shout to keep going! I had one after miscarriage 2 as I put on a lot of weight with 9 weeks of preg and comfort eating after. I loved and hated her at the same time!

Ha ha yes, although am not really working as one at the moment just have the knowledge! Really need to use it!!

Ladies, I have got a zita west conception book if anyone wants it? Pm me and I will post it out xx

Ooh would find that interesting but will get on amazon if anyone else needs.
Sunny and Determined - hope you're feeling positive and focusing on the future. A mix of keeping busy and making time for spoiling yourself is the best recipe. And before you know it I'm sure your luck will turn for the better. This thread is due some positive news! X

I've got it thanks sue!

Trying - thanks for reminding me not to wish my life away... I do worry about time ticking. Trust me though if, god forbid, you're in my shoes in 8 years you'll probably feel the same way. Nothing I can do about it though... Just adds an extra level of anxiety. As we all say, wouldn't it be great to have a crystal ball. I'd accept my fate and be able to enjoy the present more. I suppose it can't hurt to believe it will happen so the present is better... And maybe it will help.. Like what we were saying about visualisation.

I know rosa. I can totally Understand the pressure must be much more. I
Hope u didn't take any offence. I just know so many women have success at ur age and older and I hope u do Too. I suppose it means u have to make decisions quicker rather than wait around.
If I don't suceed in next 5 years in
Going to surrogacy! I can't wait for another 8, making it ten! I may go mad.

Sunny out of intrest did u get ur Dh sperm Back? I've always wondered if it could be a cause Of miscarriages but the top experts say no..but in USA they do think poor Morphology can be the cause.

Trying - no, not at all.. I'm 100% sure we all want the best for each other here.. Don't worry
I asked about surrogacy and was told it is for women who have had a hysterectomy and no womb to be able to carry a baby or for women that a pregnancy would cause them to have a serious medical problem as in the cases of severe cardiac problems where pregnancy can be fatal. It is very expensive and a legal mind field...
I still wonder about it though but wouldn't know where to start..

Of course, we all know how crap this all is for us all. i want us all to have our babies!

I think hope looked into it....I've only touched on it. I know some go abroad to do it. There must be forums on babycenter and mumsnet where people have looked into it, could maybe ask some women who have been through it? Lets hope it happens soon though. Positive thinking and all that!

Hi ladies,

Sunny hope you re doing ok, and you too Determined. I know how for me the days after felt like you re fine one min and then not the next, it s no easy rollercoaster so i m keeping the virtual hugs coming !

Rosa i totally understand the age pressure, for me the big 4 0 looms in less than 4mns...!!! (Gosh does that make me the grandma on here !? ) But as trying said there s lots of stories on here of sucessful ladies in their late 30/40s and more is about how healthy you are than the actual number. I always take comfort from my MILs story who had her 1st at 41, then a mc and then twins at 43 (my dh and his sister). God knows how she managed twins and a toddler but it shows it can happen.

Re diet i ve found a couple of books useful (zita west eat yourself pregnant has some good info and recipes and 'It start with the egg' has some good gen lifestyle info esp for maximising egg quality). My acu lady thinks it s really imp, she gen recommends plenty of protein (esp breakfast), lots of bright coloured veg and greens, berries, nuts, wholegrains and not too much dairy. She did say tho that as long as you try to stick to it 80% of the time then thats fine. Re what acus can teel from pulse etc she did pick up a slippery spleen pulse (suggestive of preg) in me before i knew i was preg with my ds and then at 11 weeks correctly knew the sex ! (I know 50:50 anyway but she said usually she got it right).

Afm - day 14 have had a couple of days ewcm, no pos opk but starting to get a little bit of a line so think ov fairly imminent so really hoping back on track. Not taking pred this cycle as having some herbs to try and settle things down (seem to be working so far fingers crossed).

Oh glad ur cycle is behaving hula! It's always nice when u get ecwm then slightly darker stick that then goes dark! U feel like ur body is working!
I think I'm sticking to the diet about 70 percent except I have a lot of diary. I'm obsessed with low fat Greek yog with blueberries and low gi granola. It's so filling, mega low calorie and I love it. Im so full after it its the only thkng that leeps me
Going till lunch time with no snack anyone else wants a protein heavy filing breekie but not avoiding dairy I really advise it! I also love my decaf latte.

Hula you are no grandma my sister was 40 when had my nephew , her first and 42 with my second gorgeous nephew! It means you have life experience to tell them and guide you through that bit better. I was 27 having dd and I felt young and didn't cope maybe as well to the transition of a child as my sister took all in her stride , we are similar natured just assume the years made the difference?
Good news on the cycle going to plan!
How is everyone today?
Sunny? Determind? Have been thinking of you ladies past few days trauma.
How are you trying after spa? Was it relaxing? Sorry you had our topic mentioned whilst trying to have a break from it, how frustrating especially as I bet you then started thinking about it?!
My sister in law ( the nice one with no kids) was over tonight having a massage from my neighbour and she never fails to cheer me up, well boh of them really. They both always ask lots of appropriate questions, make suggestions, often they stimulate me to think of other things to ask dr shehata so I enjoy their monthly massage get together in my dining room. We end up putting the worlds to rights, saying how unfair that some people just fall pregnant an then have a proper bitch about the other sister in law I always feel so refreshed ( how mean!?)
Anyway 2 more days on the pred !!! Xx

That sounds like a great night! Massages a moan about the SIL!
Mine is positively MAD.

Yeah I was a bit annoyed not that she brought it up coz she only cares. But then we discussed it and other people's worrying fertility problems for ages when I clearly
Didn't want to discuss any of it. I don't think she or anyone can understand its not just something u can discuss and shrug ur shoulders over. It's evokes strong emotions and u have to be in the zone to discuss it. Maybe it's just me!

Hope determined and sunny r ok. Hugs to u both.
Infact hugs all around!
Hope, hope ur still doing well and the moon face is gone!

Hi ladies,
Well I don't know if I have good news or not.
Decided to take an early test and really strong bfp but faint on tesco one!
Usually I would jump up and down and get excited but it is 9 days before af due! Which before has been that I have mc the month before not realised then got positive followed by feint bfp's then finally negative.
So Louise hought wow that's early and advise take a clearblue which said 1-2 weeks so is it that I have a bfp? Or have I miscarried and it's the dregs of hcg?
Would my accupuncturist have anything to do with this?
Please I am so sorry I am after advise again but have a feeling it's a mc backdraft! X

wow dildoos! i am really not sure to be honest as I have never had that after a mc - e.g. i have already had a negative preg test and my bleeding hadn't quite finished.

Did louise say to continue with the pred? i guess it may be a case of keep testing to see what happens?

sorry i realise i have posed more questions than answers!

trying - not got DH sperm results yet - hopefully end of this week! although i think the dr's may have given us the wrong sample pot so the whole analysis may have not been able to be completed so another test will probably be needed.

determined - hope your appt with mr s went ok - be interested to hear what he says.

i am ok, back in the swing of work and actually feel ok - not sure if its going to hit me in a few days again but at the moment i am determined to understand what we can do to stop it happening again (as in it has happened the same both times and the medication doesn't seem to have made a difference) and when we can get cracking again.